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On June 13 2010 11:22 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2010 11:03 L wrote:On June 13 2010 10:45 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:On June 13 2010 10:34 L wrote:
Well, we don't need to wait on him 100%, but I've got a few ideas floating around that I'd like a bit more info to flesh out before proposing them. L, please post your ideas before we get information about the night actions back. Then, we will know whether you are a legit townie or a mafia who is trying to bend the evidence one way or the other. Well, derp derp. You were supposed to be checked by our DTs. If we had a hatter or a vet in our DT group, our watcher should know who he is and be able to confirm the other DT as legit. He should also be able to figure out who the roleblocker is if he checked you if you aren't bullshitting. Basically the question here is whether or not we're killing you today and I'd kinda like information regarding who's lying and who isn't. I'd kind of like to hear the various things you are thinking about before you have evidence to work with, because you are either a dickwad or an intelligent mafiso, and i'd like to be confident that you are just a dickwad.
Well, derp, depends what the watcher has to say. If the watcher says a single person visited you and there's no one else that claims they were blocked, things are ez pz, we kill that person. If we find out one of our DTs was blocked, then its pretty obvious you're lying. If multiple people visited you and no one else claims to have been blocked and incog confirms that people without roles are informed of being blocked, then we've found a lead on the roleblocker.
If the watcher didn't watch you and instead decided to shit around, I dunno what to tell you.
I understand you're trying to play some form of accusation trading defense, but if you're so confident that the watcher won't contradict you you should be gagging for him to show up and clear things up, no?
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On June 13 2010 12:01 Incognito wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2010 09:29 L wrote:On June 13 2010 08:15 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
Hey guys, just wanted to let you know I got role blocked last night. Guess the mafia thought I was blue. What this is means is that if no one else claims to have been role blocked last night, this is evidence for me being town-aligned, which means that we should be able to narrow down what kind of detective ludwig is. Of course, there is the possibility that if I was mafia, mafia could waste a role block on me to create this exact situation to prevent me from being lynched, but hey, I'm just saying what happened. Wait, why would you be told that you were roleblocked unless you had a role? Are you trying to dodge getting killed for the DT confirmation? Also, I really hope our medic was at least protecting our watcher last night. DT is protected because we probably have a fake and watcher is a weaker role. Without Dvig claimed, I have no idea why the medic wouldn't have protected the tracker. Anyways, time for night role information! Hopefully we've found some interesting stuff via DT or watcher. If not, I think we have enough information to make an educated guess about our hits tonight regardless. Incog, on a rules point: do you notify vanilla townies about roleblocks? Not sure that even answerable fairly at this point. Show nested quote +Roleblocker
You are a mafia member who has the ability to prevent a player from performing a night action. Once per night, you may roleblock a player, and your target will be unable to perform night actions for that night. Your target will be informed that they have been role blocked regardless of whether or not they can perform a night action. Rereading the rules is never a bad thing.
Thanks bro.
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On June 13 2010 11:58 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2010 11:01 meeple wrote:On June 12 2010 10:29 MooCow wrote:On June 12 2010 10:21 ohN wrote:damn. On June 12 2010 10:19 L wrote:
Yeah, not enough people caring if johnny would die :/.
Anyways, so the plan basically goes like this; Tracker tracks our DTs. Watchers watch any of our blues. If one of DTs is bullshitting, we'll be able to figure it out immediately. DTs can check our blues if they want, but given the sanity issue I can understand another checks.
Sound decent? Comments plz. Sounds decent. blues should post who they're watching and chezinu should rc imo. I'm investigating meeple because he was 2nd highest on the votes for being lynched and no one else recommended any other candidates. Yup... totally welcome this. I'll flip a coin to watch tree.hugger or Ludwig Shit looks like meeple didn't watch me last night unless he changed his mind after this post.
I'm kinda hoping he was trying to fake out the roleblocker with that. Then again, if he checked Ludwig he might have found and confirmed our medic.
If that's the case, please don't tell us who he is unless he's going to get bussed.
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On June 13 2010 14:06 meeple wrote:
Heh... well it does give some sticky situations since we can't actually rely that much on the detectives results... but it does give us some starting points. In my eyes, AFJ is slightly greener... not only because one of our "dts" seem to have confirmed what he claimed but also because of his lack of complaining under all this scrutiny. If he were red, I imagine he would be squirming a bit more...
Of course, there's always the possibility that both MooCow and AFJ are mafia and coordinating this... which would explain both the result and the lack of complaining.
I highly doubt that MooCow would suggest and check someone who is also mafia given that our current plan is to axe him in order to give DTs role information. Its possible that one is trying to set the other up, but both of them being mafia seems incredibly unlikely.
You not checking AFJ kinda makes getting information our DTs harder, but if you've confirmed that there's a medic, that's awesome. The problem is that now our lynch choice is much harder. I personally don't think AFJ is mafia because he's acting pretty emotionally, but I haven't gone through his past games to see how he plays mafia. If that's the case, then its possible that up to 3 people visited AFJ yesterday. If i'm right and he's not mafia, then he isn't the medic either because he wouldn't lie about being roleblocked and meeple picked up a medic. Unless meeple is lying or if the hatter dropped a bomb on ludwig and thinks he and meeple are both mafia which seems very unlikely.
So basically we're kinda at a null point in terms of the objective information. We can either kill AFJ to let our DTs narrow their potential sanities, or we can attempt to find someone else. Personally, I have tomorrow off and don't need to work all day, which means I'll have time to look into 2 people too. I think i'll pick flamewheel and foolishness because 1) flamewheel is cute and 2) foolishness is not posting which piques my interest. If I'm too busy to do a full post history on those 2, I'll do a gut feeling map of the people playing like I did last game.
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can you send the pm to me or post it in the thread?
either way, I'm getting some shut eye. its 3am.
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MooCow, you kinda stole flamewheel from me, so I'll comment on your analysis. Flamewheel's actions don't look like he's me-tooing seeing as there have been some important decisions that he's been in on at a fairly early stage. Instead it looks like he's trying to keep his head down while still contributing a bit. Flamewheel might have modded a few games, but people don't expect him to singlehandedly drive games forward like radfield and I, so if he was mafia he'd probably have been safe doing exclusively stupid shit like getting people to call him cute.
If I'd be able to guess, I'd say that he might be one of the blue roles that hasn't said anything yet. If he's green then maybe that's a tell that he suffers from a lack of motivation during his non-role games.
Anyways, back to writing on foolishness.
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On June 14 2010 07:12 Radfield wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 14 2010 06:41 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2010 04:37 flamewheel wrote:
Why do I think we have a Hatter? At this point, I think it seems logical. I haven’t seen a standard game yet without some form of extraneous town KP, and the situation right now can boil down to Hatter or Veteran. Maybe there’s both and somebody claimed Townie? Entirely plausible. However, know that I requested Veteran before the game started—the plan was to cause a lot of ruckus to get the Mafia to try to slap me at night, though that request could not be entertained. So what does that mean? It means either somebody else more important got Veteran (though I don’t believe Incognito offered others a choice?) or that there are no Veterans due to balancing issue. The more I think about it, the less likely there is to be a Veteran. Mafia only have 1KP (plus a potential Day Vigi) so a Veteran is a huge deterrence, especially after the day comes about and actions are sorted out when the Veteran claims the hit.
WHOA WHOA WHOA! So you requested Veteran and got denied. That's great and all. Hey for any non vets out there, did you know that you could request roles before the game starts? I sure didn't. Hey Incognito, why didn't you PM me and ask me if I wanted a certain role? Show nested quote +On June 14 2010 04:37 flamewheel wrote:
It means either somebody else more important got Veteran
At this point, everyone is more important than you. "waa waaaa I'm upset I didn't get the role I wanted waaa". Nobody needs to hear your QQ about not getting a "good" role. And now your assumption that "oh well I didn't get that role somebody else must have gotten it because I'm special" now just makes you sound like a pompous player. Thanks for your contribution there, it really opened my eyes on the current town situation and I feel like I have a better understanding of what's going on. Oh, can you PLEEEEAAAASSSEEE ask more questions in your posts? I honestly enjoy when someone feigns contribution by writing a bunch of rhetorical questions/possibilities that have already been discussed in the thread. I imagine that because flamewheel hosts so many games, he got a special bonus from a fellow host. Not a big deal. More importantly, after being mostly inactive since midway through the first day, why are you focusing on this and not more pressing matters?
Because he wanted to make a post that appears to have content but doesn't.
Does anyone know how to use TL's search to find all of someone's posts in a certain thread? Would make this much easier for me.
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Its like the fifth time I used that for foolishness. I guess I was misspelling his name.
Post comin' soon :3
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So here's my post on Foolishness:
Foolishness at the time of me writing this has:
Posts at the: 66 84 100 111 168 173 179 283 429 432 positions in the thread. There's a very strong concentration around the early game, then a strong trending presence late.
66-100: Foolishnesses first three posts are pre-game, but they're very interesting in light of developments to come.
In 66, Foolishness basically jokes and says he's been mafia quite a lot and that he wants to be mafia again.
In 84, Foolishness asks for the game to be delayed if people want him to play, then he's cool with the starting time in 100 and signs up.
In 111, Foolishness asks if PMing is allowed. K.
Post game start:
In 168 Foolishness basically puts up an empty post. He does nothing more than lightly beratethe plan and tell someone else he doesn't care about something. Odd.
In 173 he starts dogging flamewheel with an admittedly Chez-like post. He asks a bunch of questions and leaves things like that. Again: Odd.
In 179 he basically starts up by stating that tree.hugger couldn't possibly be the tracker because claiming would be stupid. He also suggests killing Ohn in a one liner and drops the idea. This post marks the first bit of Foolishness's productive content.
100 posts later in 283, Foolishness makes a one liner townie claim.
429 rips on Flamewheel for rather irrelevant shit.
432 paints Flamewheel as Godfather because he asked the host for a role.
Foolishness has 2 posts after this.
1 is large and with real content.
The other is small and does not.
First, to deal with a claim made of me:
I appreciate the concern, but I just made a post with content (although I'm sure you're going to claim otherwise for the sake of your argument). And AFJ even posted my PM where I said I'd be gone for a bit. I know I'm going to regret writing this because you're going to jump on me and claim I'm mafia off of ridiculous assumptions, but as you said "haters bring the hate".
No, you don't appreciate the concern. You didn't post that PM in the thread. You didn't tell the town that you were going to be afk. You replied to a PM and stayed silent about your activity, trying to downplay suspicion. You clearly weren't as afk as you'd have liked it to appear because you were worming around in PMs. Why the hell wouldn't you go "hey bros, busy weekend"? I had a lot of work to do this week and said so. Why hide shit?
What's more, why the well timed inactivity and reappearance? You specificially wanted the game to start later then were happy about its start time, so what's up with that? You've been known to do this in many of your games as blue or mafia, you go afk at the start to keep yourself alive until you're excessively prodded, and only then do you go to work. Typically you wait until day 3, but I guess you were worried that AFJ would pass the buck onto you today?
I mean, I have no idea what to think here. You're either the medic, the day vig or a mafia member. That said, you're suspicious as all hell. I wouldn't advocate killing you today, nor do I feel like pushing against you because I think there's a high possibility that it'll force meeple to come out to defend you if you are the medic, which would essentially end the game for us.
There's a lot in your post history that doesn't add up. I'm going to check something so give me a few hours.
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Foolishness, I have a problem.
Your last defense is essentially:
I hate people who give the town information.
and
I play anti-town every game (ignoring the fact that you've been mafia for the vast majority of your recent games).
That's pretty fucked.
I've finished the thing I mentioned earlier, so I'm pretty solid on the idea that we shouldn't kill you for today. That said, if we kill AFJ today and he flips red, you are 100% our next target.
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On June 14 2010 10:47 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2010 10:36 L wrote:
Foolishness, I have a problem.
Your last defense is essentially:
I hate people who give the town information.
and
I play anti-town every game (ignoring the fact that you've been mafia for the vast majority of your recent games).
That's pretty fucked.
I've finished the thing I mentioned earlier, so I'm pretty solid on the idea that we shouldn't kill you for today. That said, if we kill AFJ today and he flips red, you are 100% our next target. Uhhhh care to explain why lynching foolishness makes sense if I were to flip red? o_O
No.
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On June 14 2010 10:56 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2010 10:53 L wrote:On June 14 2010 10:47 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:On June 14 2010 10:36 L wrote:
Foolishness, I have a problem.
Your last defense is essentially:
I hate people who give the town information.
and
I play anti-town every game (ignoring the fact that you've been mafia for the vast majority of your recent games).
That's pretty fucked.
I've finished the thing I mentioned earlier, so I'm pretty solid on the idea that we shouldn't kill you for today. That said, if we kill AFJ today and he flips red, you are 100% our next target. Uhhhh care to explain why lynching foolishness makes sense if I were to flip red? o_O No. then don't shit on the thread with your useless, non-backed-up thoughts.
They're pretty useful because if I'm killed tonight after you're lynched, I'd rather that mafia members don't survive.
If you actually are town, the statement would have been null to you anyways.
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On June 14 2010 11:05 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2010 10:59 L wrote:On June 14 2010 10:56 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:On June 14 2010 10:53 L wrote:On June 14 2010 10:47 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:On June 14 2010 10:36 L wrote:
Foolishness, I have a problem.
Your last defense is essentially:
I hate people who give the town information.
and
I play anti-town every game (ignoring the fact that you've been mafia for the vast majority of your recent games).
That's pretty fucked.
I've finished the thing I mentioned earlier, so I'm pretty solid on the idea that we shouldn't kill you for today. That said, if we kill AFJ today and he flips red, you are 100% our next target. Uhhhh care to explain why lynching foolishness makes sense if I were to flip red? o_O No. then don't shit on the thread with your useless, non-backed-up thoughts. They're pretty useful because if I'm killed tonight after you're lynched, I'd rather that mafia members don't survive. If you actually are town, the statement would have been null to you anyways. Why are you taking every opportunity you have to try to make me look bad? I was interested in your reasoning behind that statement because it would be informative to know whether there is any semblance of logic behind why you want me lynched (allows me to know whether you are a mafia trying to bandwagon me or a townie who is overly paranoid).
I was taking every opportunity to breadcrumb a 100% mafia kill because if you flip red and I die, or if I'm Dvigged by mafia prior to your lynch, the information I have would dissapear.
If you're red, its possible that you lied about the roleblock, which means that mafia might not even have a roleblocker, which means that I might get Dvigged at any time during the thread. Are you red, though? Probably not, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't put out information as a contingency plan.
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Let's make a deal -- you analyze citizen and actually spend a few minutes reading my post explaining why lynching me isn't a good idea, and I'll do the 2 analyses I mentioned. Do them anyways if you're town.
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Rofl, was 90% certain I was going to get shot during the day :3.
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There is so much silly this game, you have no idea.
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Lol. This is what happens when I'm expected to set up our IRC channel, but have work during the first 4 days of the game and no one else steps up.
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On June 18 2010 10:33 Foolishness wrote:
So what was up with that PM ludwig sent?
I don't think there's a rational explanation for anything that ludwig did that game.
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On June 18 2010 20:32 Vivi57 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2010 16:01 Chezinu wrote:
Btw, Who said that at most there were going to be 5 blue roles? That was a good call. Show nested quote +On June 10 2010 14:18 Vivi57 wrote:
What makes you think we only have 4 townies this round. You really think there's 7 blues?
We're going to have at most 1 vig, whether its day or night. There's no way we'll have a watcher, tracker, *and* dt. And I wouldn't be surprised if we had 0 hatters and 0 vets. close enough?
Negatory, commander.
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No idea what happened in the PMs but reading the thread lots of things felt like Mafia had no idea what to do with the roleclaims. We didn't have IRC because I had work. Bad news blues.
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