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Foolishness
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On June 15 2010 09:45 flamewheel wrote:
Oh, right. Guessing they'll be modkilled in... 15 minutes as is.
Foolishness, why would you want to kill me :<
Because you're acting strange. You've been active and have made a lot of posts, but none of the say anything. You've hardly said anything of your own opinion, you're very hesitant when asked questions. I've been in games where you're town and your attitude this game is not how you usually are when you're town. You got all the stereotypical signs of a mafia on ya.
I mean, it should be irrelevant to you, assuming we stick to our plan you'll have another 2 days to live at the least, and probably more than that since we have to deal with inactives before dealing with active people like you.
But as long as I'm alive I'm going to pressure you until you help the town.
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Foolishness
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On June 15 2010 09:53 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
So should we switch real quick to someone? Looks like all three of them are gonna be modkilled -_-
Might as well switch to Vivi
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Foolishness
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Assuming all 3 are killed, we need to discuss who DTs are checking as well.
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Just be ready to switch back if RoL appears
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On June 15 2010 09:59 meeple wrote:
I'm so glad so many are around that we can swap like this...
Yeah...I remember last time I tried to pull off a vote switch as mafia only half my team showed up for it...
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Foolishness
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1. flamewheel
2. ohN Townie
3. tree.hugger Tracker
4. Vivi57 Townie
5. Radfield
6. Chezinu
7. citi.zen
8. Foolishness
9. redtooth
10. RebirthOfLeGend Townie
11. meeple
12. ~OpZ~ Mafia
13. L Godfather
14. johnnyspazz Townie
15. LuDwig-
16. MooCow
17. AcrossFiveJulys
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Foolishness
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We need to pick someone for DTs to inspect. We also need to actually kill the person they inspect to try to figure out sanities, as this will also confirm AcrossFiveJulys for certain.
From the remaining pool, I of course would like flamewheel inspected. Now I realize that some people may be against inspecting such a cute player, so I'd be cool with redtooth as well. Radfield has also been suspiciously absent as of late.
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Foolishness
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On June 15 2010 10:28 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
My suggestion for night actions:
MooCow investigates Flamewheel
Ludwig investigates redtooth
Meeple watches Flamewheel
Medic flips a coin to protect MooCow or Meeple (if ludwig dies and flips town we pretty know MooCow is mafia, otherwise we all suspect ludwig)
Hatter plants bomb on whomever they choose besides the above people
Flamewheel/redtooth: it's very important that you say if you got roleblocked. If one of you lies, we can kill both you and the detective who investigated you in order reduce the mafia count to 1.
People like?
I think it's better DTs check the same person. If we kill said person, then both DTs will probably know their alignment afterwards (not for certain, depends on the person and the results returned).
If we do your plan, and split the DTs up. Say one of them turns up mafia and we kill them. Regardless of their actual alignment, only ONE detective is going to know their alignment, and the other one will still be clueless.
Assuming of course both DTs are actually DTs and not something else.
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Foolishness
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On June 15 2010 10:36 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
Shit I just realized there's a vulnerability in my plan: the role blocker can just role block meeple.
Thinking....
If we have both DTs check the same person, and kill that person, we can nearly figure out both their alignments. This would immensely help prove you innocent as well (assuming you are). Don't you want to be confirmed innocent?
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Foolishness
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Is this MooCow's first mafia game?
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Foolishness
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On June 15 2010 11:31 MooCow wrote:2nd  I died near the start of my first so this is probably the furthest i've been
Okay I got a job for someone.
Let's assume MooCow's mafia. This would mean he's playing us like a DT the entire game. Since this is his second game, if he's honestly fooling us on his own, he deserves an Oscar. More than likely, he's got a mafia buddy writing his posts for him (all the big and important posts).
Now I want someone to go through the timestamping of his posts (the big and important ones, contact me if you need help figuring it out), and see if another "big" named player is around and posting at the same time he is (we're basically looking for whoever could be writing his posts for him). The candidates for this should definitely include Radfield, myself, flamewheel, redtooth.
In the process of this, look for oddly written posts. Do his big posts seem to have a different attitude than his non important ones? If so that's very important. Do all his posts have the same sort of feel, or maybe he's making the same typo over and over? That's important and might show his innocence.
If MooCow is inactive during the same time some other big name is inactive, that should be noted.
TO CLARIFY SOME THINGS
We don't need to confirm the legitimacy of the DT's immediately
We have a nice list of people who are suspicious/inactive. It's pertinent that we deal with them first, and then if we still need to find mafia we look at the DT's. It's much much much much more likely one of the DTs will mess up (they do have a job to do) than the inactives messing up. It's worthwhile for us to keep the DTs alive for the time being.
Also, we shouldn't kill off people who are probably mafia targets during the night. Why bother risking lynching a DT when they might turn up dead after night's over? We have a few days before we need to worry about the DT's. Deal with the inactive/suspicious people first, then we worry about infiltrations in the blues.
If ya'll don't believe, you know what happens in a lot of newb mafia games on TL? Someone is claimed in the thread and the town lynches them because they get paranoid. How often do you see town lynch a blue in a newb game? A lot. Result of these games is mafia wins.
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Foolishness
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On June 15 2010 11:36 meeple wrote:
mmm... on the other note... about who to dt check tonight... perhaps Chez is a better option. redtooth did make that post earlier questioning L... and his inactivity is a common theme in games I've played with him.
Is there anyone who's averse to checking Chez?
I'd rather check flamewheel. He wants to get checked himself and wants to die. He hasn't even posted anything beneficial to the town yet.
Something to note about this: L early game kept making promises about doing analysis and never delivered until right before he died. He pushed for people to contribute to the town without doing so himself. This is awfully a lot like what flamewheel is doing as well. Both players are genuinely active, yet never contributing to the town....and both promise analysis but take days to deliver on it.
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Foolishness
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On June 15 2010 11:54 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
I say stick with flamewheel too. Although his story adds up (he wants to die, says he sacrifices himself to be lynched since he'll be busy with TL article writing soon) it would also be a pretty good move for getting us not to lynch him since he appears townie. Also, I've been in PM contact with chez (as most people have I'd imagine?) and he's responded logically (albeit cryptically in his own way) to most of the things I've brought up via PM. I don't think chez is mafia, but I'm not completely sure obviously.
Hey by the way that's usually a tell-tale mafia sign.
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Foolishness
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On June 15 2010 12:34 flamewheel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2010 11:50 Foolishness wrote:On June 15 2010 11:36 meeple wrote:
mmm... on the other note... about who to dt check tonight... perhaps Chez is a better option. redtooth did make that post earlier questioning L... and his inactivity is a common theme in games I've played with him.
Is there anyone who's averse to checking Chez? I'd rather check flamewheel. He wants to get checked himself and wants to die. He hasn't even posted anything beneficial to the town yet. Something to note about this: L early game kept making promises about doing analysis and never delivered until right before he died. He pushed for people to contribute to the town without doing so himself. This is awfully a lot like what flamewheel is doing as well. Both players are genuinely active, yet never contributing to the town....and both promise analysis but take days to deliver on it. Show nested quote +On June 15 2010 11:59 Foolishness wrote:On June 15 2010 11:54 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
I say stick with flamewheel too. Although his story adds up (he wants to die, says he sacrifices himself to be lynched since he'll be busy with TL article writing soon) it would also be a pretty good move for getting us not to lynch him since he appears townie. Also, I've been in PM contact with chez (as most people have I'd imagine?) and he's responded logically (albeit cryptically in his own way) to most of the things I've brought up via PM. I don't think chez is mafia, but I'm not completely sure obviously. Hey by the way that's usually a tell-tale mafia sign. Done now, hopefully OSL newspost readers will like it tomorrow. Go ahead, do the check and do the lynching--I don't mind. If I'm useless, you might as well get some use out of my carcass. And no, I'm not being sarcastic, nor is this a case of reverse psychology. We'll see the results um...about 70.5 hours from now 
Give us someone better to check then.
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Foolishness
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On June 16 2010 06:13 MooCow wrote:
Cool thanks.
Do we have a night action plan? We need to send our requests in soon. If I still live till tomorrow I say we still target someone we are going to 100% lynch tomorrow also.
Let's quickly work on this one. In terms of inactivity and checking through the names
Redtooth stands out. His total posts in this thread since the game started so far is 7
Check Flamewheel, as planned. If you really really really want to check Chezinu, that's fine too. But don't check anyone else.
meeple should probably flip a coin to watch one of the DTs. One of them is likely to get roleblocked.
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Foolishness
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Oh and citizen is bluffing about their being a Vigi. No way the town would be given all these blue roles and killing power.
And even if there was a Vigi, he should very well know the smart thing would be to hit Chezinu or Redtooth or Radfield (not flamewheel cause we're checking him). Once we get rid of the unconfirmed townies we can start worrying about if a DT is actually mafia.
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Foolishness
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On June 16 2010 07:26 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
Seriously seriously do not follow foolishness's last post because it allows the mafia to fuck with us really bad if indeed one of the detectives is mafia.
Except both DTs are clean, so stop being paranoid.
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Foolishness
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And by the way, to whoever said AFJ is innocence because of his PM convo with L: if you think it's probable MooCow has been lying about being mafia for the past week, who's to say the mafia didn't whip up a PM conversation with L and AFJ?
It's a lot easier to put together a PM convo then stage a mafia being DT.
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Foolishness
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On June 16 2010 07:33 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2010 07:28 Foolishness wrote:On June 16 2010 07:26 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
Seriously seriously do not follow foolishness's last post because it allows the mafia to fuck with us really bad if indeed one of the detectives is mafia. Except both DTs are clean, so stop being paranoid. Why are you so convinced of this? You really think there is a watcher, a tracker, and 2 detectives in a 17 player game? That seems highly unlikely, so stop being mafia. Jk about the mafia part. I think.
It's his second game of mafia you think he'd lie about being DT? I also have inside information about the DT situation which you don't.
And yes, you are JK about the mafia part. I'm going to die tonight so you'll see for sure in a few hours.
If you have sense in you, you should realize that taking potshots at the DTs because you are soooooo sure they are mafia is not the smart move. The smart move would be to hit among the unconfirmed people first (flamewheel, Chez, redtooth, Radfield), then worry about a DT infiltration. Even if there is a DT infiltration, you hitting the unconfirmed townies is sure to kill one mafia.
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On June 16 2010 07:41 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2010 07:34 Foolishness wrote:
And by the way, to whoever said AFJ is innocence because of his PM convo with L: if you think it's probable MooCow has been lying about being mafia for the past week, who's to say the mafia didn't whip up a PM conversation with L and AFJ?
It's a lot easier to put together a PM convo then stage a mafia being DT. You, citi.zen, and I are somewhat trusted at this point, so for now can we work together rather than bantering with each other? I could start pointing out reasons I'm suspicious of you, but you aren't the top of my list, and if I'm at the top of your list, you should consider never playing mafia again if you are town :O
Where did I say you were mafia or that I thought you were mafia?
I mean, if you guys start killing DTs and lose the game or only barely come out victorious, everything I'm saying right now is going to be like "well shit why didn't we listen to this guy". If you guys say MooCow is mafia, I'm going to say it's equally as likely AFJ is mafia, and that's because it is equally as likely. Don't shoot claimed blues where there are inactive townies to kill, that's how mafia win games. Everyone here has played before and should know this fact.
Right now, it isn't even about trying to perfectly narrow down the last two mafia, it's about doing what's smart. The town is in a great situation right now. If flamewheel, Chezinu, and redtooth all died, that's at least one mafia dead (very highly likely). We start killing them the rest will talk and we can figure out things from there.
You guys take potshots and DT's and miss, then mafia actually has a chance to win. And they probably will win since you'll shoot the other DT if the first one isn't mafia I'm sure. I'm trying to make people realize that right now it doesn't matter if MooCow is mafia or not because we can't kill him for another day or two. And I'm going to be dead in a few hours that's why I'm trying to get this out now.
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