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On June 06 2010 03:42 pyr0ma5ta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2010 15:17 DarthThienAn wrote:pyr0ma5ta - looks like... 4 in-game posts, 1 irrelevant, 1 joking about supporting LD if he runs (for an excel sheet LOL), 1 copy-pasting bumatlarge's list of clue-linked ppl and saying he suspects Yellow and zeks due to the clues related to them (this was early on), and 1 saying... DUN DUN DUN: On June 04 2010 08:02 pyr0ma5ta wrote:
Yellowink, not only will not vote for you as mayor at this point, at this point I am leaning towards lynching you first. OH SNAP. DID HE JUST --- lol. A really uncalled for and bold accusation. However, this makes me think he is townie, because afaik, he's newbie and a newbie mafia wouldn't go around attracting attention like that by calling someone out straight-up like that. HOWEVER. He's still as inactive as the first two I analyzed. Step up yo game and POST MORE PLZ. He's also posted more in other TL forums recently than in this thread. UNACCEPTABLE. lol. +2 Well hello there. I'm somewhat overwhelmed with this thread, as no mafia game I've ever played had this much posting. That being said, I'm an active reader, even if I'm not an active poster up till this point. I don't see any point in posting just to post when I have nothign to contribute. I posted my opinions/suspicions and reasons. As far as "bold and uncalled for," I thought that posting my suspicion of YI and then declaring that I will not be voting for him was a pretty logical step. Show nested quote +On June 06 2010 01:25 YellowInk wrote:
To clean out the shadows, so to speak, I'd like to propose a clear policy of anti-inactivity. In these early days before we have any good targets to hang (if for some reason we do get good targets to hang we will of course go after named scum as a priority), I suggest that we target those who are inactive. The large scale purpose of this is not that I actually desire to hang anyone due to inactivity (since unfortunately most of these people are likely to be town - especially so in a game filled with new players), but to impress the importance that we cannot effectively combat the scum if people lurk.
Therefore, I propose the following requirements to all posters: You must post your thoughts on at least four different people each day. Give reasoning (this is important). These thoughts must be spaced out such that two of these posts must be at least 12 hours apart. That is to say you can talk about 3 people at one point, then just sometime later in the day you have to give thoughts on another person. This is a bare minimum requirement. I encourage people who really are town to go ahead and post as much of their thoughts as they are willing.
It is also important that you post as much original thought as you can. Since this is not something easily judged, I'm not putting it in the above requirements. However the mafia will be forced to conceal their intentions in some way - and one of the easiest ways they could choose to do so is to just parrot the thoughts that others have already expressed. So if you're town, don't do this! You may agree with their thoughts and voice that you do so agree, just don't count it as one of your four thoughts for the day.
The consequence for failure to meet this policy will be that you will be eligible to be hung solely on the basis of your inactivity. In this early game, we will often not have great scum targets. If everyone were to talk a lot, we might have some decent reads on folk. Furthermore, we'd have more information in the mid to late game from all of this early talk to figure out who is mafia.
Please discuss your thoughts on this policy. This is something the town has to agree upon since people are lynched by majority vote. I think it is clear how this policy will have a long term effect of benefiting town. Oddly, some of us have jobs and/or lives and not infinite hours to post on this thread. You're welcome to demand whatever you want, but I'm going to post if and only if I'm damn well ready to post. That being said, I'll give an opinion or two. People I have a feeling about: (may or may not have anything to do with reality, your mileage may vary) YellowInk - Still somewhat unimpressed with his performance. When I posted, it was early in the day, and I've since softened my position due to his very active posting. I still think he's more likely to be Mafia than not. Awkward because he's in an elected role and is now immune to Role Checks. LunarDestiny - I feel good about him. I like his posting and I'm giving him a pass for now. burnatlarge - I am unsure how I missed this, but doesn't his name jump out for the burning ink clue as well? I hope I'm not the first one to see this. LaXerCannon - His profile is a famous speech from Hamlet, and didn't Hamlet's mother die from poisoning?
His name is bumatlarge, not burnatlarge...
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On June 06 2010 04:30 MooCow wrote:
What do you mean by Mafia stacking hits?
How many people can Mafia kill in one night?
That depends on their current killing power I believe. And I think stacking means that they can devote multiple hits to a single target, to try and override a medic's protection
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My question about the stacking thing is our we informed if that is the option mafia decide to use? I mean that when the report on the hit comes, do we get to know something like "two attempts were made" if the mafia decides to stack 2 on an individual? Seems like that would be really useful information for us to know about the mafia's actions
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On June 06 2010 04:40 MTF wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2010 04:40 Thegilaboy wrote:
My question about the stacking thing is our we informed if that is the option mafia decide to use? I mean that when the report on the hit comes, do we get to know something like "two attempts were made" if the mafia decides to stack 2 on an individual? Seems like that would be really useful information for us to know about the mafia's actions No, we don't get that sort of information. We only know who got killed. Okay, really going now. : x
Well that certainly makes things more difficult for us! Thanks for the quick answers 
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On June 06 2010 07:43 LunarDestiny wrote:
People still have suspicion about Darth or YellowInk? It is good to always be aware of people lying but didn't we agreed in the election that they are the less likely to be mafia.
At this point, we have to trust the mayor and the pardoner or we couldn't get anything done. It is good to question but saying that one of them probably is mafia is too much.
Well, if Darth or YellowInk turns out to be mafia... I have the most responsibility. I started the band wagons for both candidates (their second votes are from me although I withdrew my vote from Darth).
I don't think anyone is outright accusing them of being scum, but in a game of deception it doesn't hurt to be suspicious of everyone, and YI and Darth aren't exceptions entirely of that rule. That being said, I feel at least one of them could be scum, but not very sure of that right now.
Also, I am very curious as to why you keep painting yourself as a target? We are aware, and so is the mafia, of your contributions to the thread and your activity level. I completely understand you asking for medic aid that one or two times, but you've gone so far as to post in the other mafia thread that you think you are dying in this one very soon. I guess I just don't understand why you are acting like this. Either you are mafia and are trying to make us waste a medic on you while the hits target other people, or you are town and just attracting more attention to yourself as a target than necessary.
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I think we definitely have a medic block here, as I don't see Elyas or barth getting stacked in all honesty. Perhaps you got the medic block you were asking for LD.
So we have one stabbing and one guy getting pushed out a window right? I'll be looking at this a bit later, need to head to watch a flick with my friends for now!
This is getting good
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Damn this badass profile pic, causing me more trouble than good! Although I don't think much blood stays on a psi/warp blade, it does certainly look like I am a prime suspect. Unfortunate for me, seeing as I know I'm clean, and for the town.
But I'll focus on the clues for now, and see what I can do to help the town while I still can.
Death 1: Very ninja like, a clean assassination. I suppose look for individuals who have profiles pointing towards being stealthy, and handy with a knife (and that includes me, I know)
Death 2: A weight, so look for clues that have to do with mass. AFJ references weights in his profile. I suppose the mention of "nothing standing in the way of overwhelming power" in Icysoul's profile matches someone barreling the victim out of the window. CompX's mention of a tiny stone giant match as well.
That's what I've got for now, I'll be taking a better look soon.
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On June 06 2010 14:44 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2010 13:47 Thegilaboy wrote:
Damn this badass profile pic, causing me more trouble than good! Although I don't think much blood stays on a psi/warp blade, it does certainly look like I am a prime suspect. Unfortunate for me, seeing as I know I'm clean, and for the town.
But I'll focus on the clues for now, and see what I can do to help the town while I still can.
Death 1: Very ninja like, a clean assassination. I suppose look for individuals who have profiles pointing towards being stealthy, and handy with a knife (and that includes me, I know)
Death 2: A weight, so look for clues that have to do with mass. AFJ references weights in his profile. I suppose the mention of "nothing standing in the way of overwhelming power" in Icysoul's profile matches someone barreling the victim out of the window. CompX's mention of a tiny stone giant match as well.
That's what I've got for now, I'll be taking a better look soon. Whoa whoa overreacting a little bit aren't you? Day has just begun and no one has voted for you. Trying to find very vague pointers to other people (me for example) to divert attention away from yourself also immediately after the clue was posted is highly suspect.
Didn't think I was overreacting, I was trying to be light hearted...I was just making note that I am an obvious choice, and others have made that connection too.
And I thought the idea of this is to gather clues about other people, even if I have eyes on me. But if you'd rather I not "divert attention", by all means consider me out of your way.
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I would highly recommend some sort of check on me, not sure of any other way of defending myself against these ill-fated clues. 
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On June 07 2010 04:54 Deucegladlier wrote:
You know, I think there are mafia members in this game.
Wait what, of course there are...Or am I totally missing something here lol
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And Deucegladier, you just voted for yourself in the lynching thread, any particular reason for that?
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On June 07 2010 05:19 YellowInk wrote:
So it seems to me that it's pretty clear we need to lynch inactives. I'd even go so far as to suggest a double lynch to get past this ASAP - tomorrow we may have a scum target and hopefully down to 1 inactive at worst.
So assuming none of these people decide to step up and play, who do we like to target?
CompX
Deucegladlier
TyranoS_NiveK
Well CompX right away from the get go thought Elyas was a mafia, and never really posted anything of value after that (and of course Elyas ended up being townie)
Deucegladier is just baffling to me lol. He's abstained (perhaps) twice now and his posts are just big wtfs.
TyranoS_Nivek hasn't done anything since Day 2 began correct? If I missed something let me know, but I think he hasn't posted yet. He might just be busy, but it's worth noting for now
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On June 07 2010 06:58 pyr0ma5ta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2010 06:49 DarthThienAn wrote:
@pyromasta: Once again, clues are great and all, but they shouldn't decide who we lynch today. Similar to yesterday, a combination of inactivity and clues will most likely decide who gets lynched. But more inactivity.
Unless you (everyone in general) have something new to contribute about the clues, please focus more of players' posting behavior, inactivity, etc. Hm, well I thought I contributed by pointing out GilaBoy's obvious fail with the "Tiny the Stone Giant" thing, something which nobody had pointed out yet (though I fail to believe I'm the only one in this game who's played Dota). Is this not considered contributing?  Oh, and I'm not sure I agree that inactivity is an indication of Mafianess. We've already lynched an inactive non-Mafia. If we just lynch based on activity, the obvious Mafia counter-play is to just post a lot of blah blah blah.
Sorry, never played nor looked into Dota, so I had no idea that Tiny was a character from it. Agreed though, activity level isn't always an indication of scum or not, but it's a general start. If the mafia posted a lot of "blah blah blah" they would be more likely to slip up and become inconsistent. It's that sort of behavior that we are looking for. The clues help no doubt, but they should be connected over time, so that they have a solid base to stand on. If a series of many clues points to an inactive or poorly posting individual, we've likely found ourselves some scum.
Anyway, sorry again for not knowing what Tiny was, Dota was never really my bag
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Went to bed early last night and wow did I miss a lot! I'll do my catch asap and post some analysis for everyone. Sorry about that, these eyes just couldn't stay open last night :p
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I agree with some that removing inactives for now seems like the best choice. They are not helping the town at all if they are townies, and if they are scum then they are being too obvious with their desire to not be seen. Of course, we can't continue using that strategy forever, and will definitely have to turn to using clue and post analysis to make future lynching decisions (perhaps even starting with the next lynch).
Here are some quick thoughts two posters that jumped to mind, I'll be switching over to a different analysis format later though.
Deuce: seems like an obvious choice for a lynch simply because of his terrible posting and complete inactivity. He either doesn't care about the game at all or he is really trying to hide something.
CompX: Where is he? As was pointed out earlier a couple times, his only real posts here are saying that Elyas might be mafia, followed promptly with Elyas getting killed off.
I'll do the same thing others have and just use a random number generator to select 3-4 individuals and just focus on them from now on, as trying to watch everyone can be a bit overwhelming!
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Go go gadget analysis! Random number generator created these individual's numbers for analysis.
8. MooCow
Plays the newbie card a lot, this much is true. He may actually be a legit newbie, but some of his questions are easily answered in the OP. Was hesitant about both our elected candidates, and repeatedly mentioned that mafia will almost certainly get someone in office. Does he still believe this, and if so who does he think is more likely to be scum between the two? You've warned us all to be weary of them, just wondering what your thoughts were on the matter still.
Started putting clues together at the start of Day 2. Does a good job here in both making connections to various profiles, while at the same time acknowledging that we shouldn't jump to conclusions so soon. Also understands our need to get active posters in order to get reads off of that. I'm interested in his earlier looks at zeks and wondering if you've thought anymore about that at all?
Sure he plays the newbie card, but hey this is a newbie game for the most part. My gut reaction right now is that he is pro-town. I'd like to hear more of his thoughts on suspecting our elects, and if he has anymore thoughts on zeks.
26. pyr0ma5ta
In the election he opted not to vote for YI or zeks as they had clues pointing to them. He even went so far as to say:
On June 04 2010 08:02 pyr0ma5ta wrote:
Yellowink, not only will not vote for you as mayor at this point, at this point I am leaning towards lynching you first.
Still feel this way pyr0?
Later on accused me of making a stretch accusation with the whole Tiny the Giant thing, but considering the fact that I've never played nor looked into Dota ever, I had no idea of the character's existence. That being said, he promptly decided he would vote for me. So it goes though, everyone is certainly free to vote as they see fit.
Began to argue against voting for Deuce, claiming that they are reasons some people stay off the radar. What interests me most though are he most recent posts, saying that we shouldn't be trusting our elects necessarily. I ask the same thing of you that I asked of MooCow, do you have any more specific thoughts on the matter. Besides just saying we should suspect them, at this point do you have anymore solid thoughts on the matter, or perhaps an individual you would like to focus on for analysis? Things like that could be very helpful for everyone, and I'd just like to know your opinion on the matter.
23. CompX
Here is a super inactive poster, who started our game with the bold claim that:
On June 03 2010 11:09 CompX wrote:
guys, I think ElyAs can be a mafia
His accusation was based on flamewheel dying from lightning, something that is a recurring theme is his games. Then suddenly poof, he's gone. Returns 600 some posts later to reiterate the fact that MooCow and Tyranos both have the same profile and could be linked to barth's death by their ability to defy the laws of physics.
And he returns to Elyas by taking a look at his death. Makes the call of attributing the death to a silent killer, and primary suspects are then myself and zeks in his eyes. He knows a lot about the character in zeks' profile, and he seems to be a ninja of sorts.
At this point in time I really would like to see CompX post more. I know he said he'll be inactive because of school, but a 600 post gap between he's thoughts is a bit much. I'm inclined not to trust him because of his very early call of accusing Elyas of being mafia, something that didn't hold any merit at all.
That's what I've got for now. Probably should take care of a few RL responsibilities right now
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On June 08 2010 03:34 MooCow wrote:
Voting for Deuce due to his inactivity and he just seems like he doesn't want to be in this game.
AND pyr0ma5ta gets banned after my posts on him -_-;
Hmm what do we do now that pyr0 is banned for two days? What is the general rule in mafia games if somebody gets a temp ban from the forums?
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God dammit Icy! Losing the vig to inactivity, that's a big blow for us...
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On June 09 2010 04:24 BrownBear wrote:
If you kept your vote on Deuce, explain why you did. If you have already, you're clear, but for those of you who haven't, I'd like to know why. Also, if you were one of the people trying hardcore to lynch him, explain why you did so.
I'll go ahead and explain why I kept my vote on Deuce. My reasoning for getting rid of deuce was three-fold:
1. If he was a townie, he was not helping us at all. He was making no effort to make analyses of either clues or posts. Instead when he did post, it was pretty much trash, and put a big question mark on him as a part of the town.
2. If he was mafia, he was doing an extreme job of trying to stay in the shadows, and pretty much was asking to get lynched at that point.
3. Being an inactive is terrible for the game in general. He was doing the very bare minimum to keep from being modkilled, and those contributions meant nothing for the game as a whole. Mafia or town it was bad form to take up a slot in the game and "contribute the way" that he did.
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