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About the lynch target debate for lynching incatives- pros: more inactives will be forced to post, late game we have more active posters cons: small chance of hitting mafia - more likely that they are green townies, buys time for the mafia to hit the more active players, for lynching suspected low post counts- pros: could hit a mafia, maybe make low posters contribute more, weed out the low posters and suspicious posters cons: inactives are easy votes for the mafia to sway, also easy for the mafia to hide amongst them. At this point I am not sure which choice to make... Did I miss anything? No wonder you still misinterpreted my posts again :| I don't think that it is worth bringing back up this argument: I know I'm right, you think you are, and it gains us nothing to continue arguing. | ||
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On June 08 2010 03:07 littlechava wrote: Nah, I'm still right. All you've done is make a couple garbage posts calling me out, which I then defended. Then you keep bring it up again whenever possible, without refuting anything that I've said. ... spoilered for those who don't want to have to see this stupid argument + Show Spoiler + No need to get defensive about it. I think everyone knows that clue connections are pretty weak in general, and always need to be taken with a grain of salt. Still, they should be pointed out. That said, Thegilaboy has actually been voted for already, and it doesn't seem like such a terrible choice since he's one of the few with multiple clues pointing towards him. If I was going to vote based solely on clues, I'd be voting for either Thegilaboy or zeks. so you say that the clues are weak but somewhat useful, and if we would vote off them then we should vote TGB (or zeks). You also say that TGB would be a decent vote option. Well if we hang him and he turns out to be townie, then we should hang you. It seems quite suspicious to accuse someone that quickly and try to bring down suspicion on him. At least try to list out a few possible clue connections and scum sounding posts/actions before accusing active people like that. I reply that you should not just just vote for TGB randomly since you said "Thegilaboy has actually been voted for already, and it doesn't seem like such a terrible choice" and provided no clues or post history. Did you notice the part where I said "If I was going to vote based solely on clues"? And really? Try to list out a few possible clue connections? Pretty much every clue post so far has mentioned Thegilaboy. yes I noticed, but you said "Thegilaboy has actually been voted for already, and it doesn't seem like such a terrible choice", saying that you would be ok for voting for him on a basis outside of clues or you think that the clues are enough evidence. Well many of the "clues" that people are making connections to I find to be far fetched. I think that trying to hang someone off the clues is a bad idea and either some stronger connections should be made or we should focus more on reading into what people say and wait for more "clues". Granted ignoring information is a bad idea, I just think that right now we could get farther by reading into what people say since they should be posting more. And by every post mentioning TheGilaBoy you mean everyone posting "DTs in his profile!" or the fortress-barricade "connection" which is about the townies, not the killer... yes really, please list a few. The only other plausible one I find is the gila monster - poison one. I reply that there are not a few clues, and saying that "Pretty much every clue post so far has mentioned Thegilaboy" is just dumb. MTF also helps to undermine the DT "clue" with: Finally, in terms of clues, I've noticed a lot of people talking about the first killing on Day 2 in relation to DT's. I feel I should point this out: A masked figure followed him, and stealthily kept to the shadows, not letting ElyAs out of his sight...As ElyAs passed by the town courthouse, he noticed that he had already been beaten--the masked figure was sitting on the steps. Elyas can see his killer. Not a very convincing DT, if you ask me. next comes your response: I think that trying to hang someone off of clues is a bad idea as well. Good job on completely ignoring the first part of my post that you quoted, where I said "I think everyone knows that clue connections are pretty weak in general, and always need to be taken with a grain of salt. Still, they should be pointed out." So basically, you're agreeing with what I said while trying to thrust suspicion onto me. Wtf? Also, yes, the posts that mention clues regarding Thegilaboy mention Dark Templar. That is because Dark Templar are sneaky and kill quickly. The fact that they're sneaky and kill quickly connects them to the clues in the day 2 post. Nowhere in my post about clues did I say "Thegilaboy is definitely mafia and we should lynch him". as I said before: yes I noticed, but you said "Thegilaboy has actually been voted for already, and it doesn't seem like such a terrible choice", saying that you would be ok for voting for him on a basis outside of clues (which you do not present) or you think that the clues are enough evidence. So I do not agree with you. Nice response to my "where are the clues, please" - stating one weak clue. You don't even try to bring up scum sounding posts by TGB so your entire argument is based of clues... And finally, you did not say "Thegilaboy is definitely mafia and we should lynch him" but you said "Thegilaboy has actually been voted for already, and it doesn't seem like such a terrible choice". As in, we could vote for TGB because he has some clues pointing to him (and by that you mean one weak clue) Are you happy that I finally responded? I'm not. | ||
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Says that ink clue check clears YellowInk pretty early yeah, that was pretty dumb, I think I changed my opinion about that early on though Puts some heat on Tyranos at the end of the post I did not realize that people could change their vote at the time. I thought that he was voting without reading the thread fully. I still stand by lynching him for his inactivity if we decide to lynch inactives. Puts out more of the MTF-conspiracy theory I fleshed out the conspiracy theory and provided a solution... what is wrong with that? (besides my solution having a massive error I overlooked  )I was going to point out your error in having stated only my old opinions on people until I realized that I never updated my opinions in the thread :/ | ||
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On June 09 2010 04:32 DarthThienAn wrote: @BrownBear's post: agreed. I've already explained myself, had a similar reason - more info yo. The person whose reason I'm DYING to hear is of course.... Deucegladlier, lolol. People I don't recall reasons for (but this is just my memory): littlechava Zyrre TGB (he may have just been voting for not himself) deconduo Hugoboss21 MTF (? maybe he did) DCLXVI sputnik.theory onihunter (I remember he said he switched, as promised, but I don't remember what he promised) Oh, and everyone the TGB list too. Yeah. This is just my memory though. Don't be offended if you're on the list and had a good reason lol. Hey, I was the first one to switch my vote. I'm just the cool kid and everyone copied me  Seriously though, I felt that if Deuce was willing to vote himself out of the game then he might get modkilled later on and was 95% not mafia. Instead of wasting a lynch on him I would rather attack my list of somewhat active neutral opinion people who are much more likely to be mafia. Moocow was the only option because I did not suspect TGB at the time. | ||
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Still though, I find it unlikely that the mafia or DTA would give up a player just to kill onihunter. Had DTA named crate/MTF or another important person I would have been more suspicious. Did crate already analyse oni day2? The only thing we need to look out for from what I see is DTA being scum, oni flipping green/blue, and DTA naming some other townie as the "false DT". Else if oni flips green DTA can tell us the False DT and we can lynch him with 3lions or whomever. And we need to do some catching up. time for a mass hanging. | ||
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On June 11 2010 04:01 YellowInk wrote: Idk, that bandwagon was pretty epically derailed. What has you so convinced he's green? fixed It was derailed by our vigilante though. Sure some mafia might have switched too, but AFJ was the main force behind the switch. | ||
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On a happier note we got two mafia today | ||
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On June 13 2010 12:51 Zyrre wrote: 2. Forced to out onihunter He is most likely in touch with a real DT. He can't be sure that player has not told anybody else about his findings, therefore he needs to out oni or he himself will be under investigation. This invalidates his reasoning against MTF's arguments + Show Spoiler + MTF, if I'm mafia and have been in contact with my first DT since day 2, why wouldn't I have killed him by now? If you're gonna say that he had a third townie to accuse me if he died, then that's easily solvable - mafia get 3 KP in the beginning, 2 last night. Just kill the DT and the confirmed townie, makes for a nice clean job and the town loses a DT. well thought out for the rest of the post, but here the DT could just not be stupid and not tell DTA the confirmed townie. Right now I am inclined to believe both DTA and MTF are townie but suspicious of each other. You do have a nice argument zyrre, but I cannot agree with some of it. @MTF - did DTA tell you the second DT's ID? Are you two talking now? On June 13 2010 10:31 Misder wrote: I have voted for DCLXVI and bumatlarge as of right now. Because I did analysis on DCLXVI already, and to me, he seems suspicious/mafia, I am voting for him. He has both clues and suspicious behavior going on. why the hate misder? And bum has gone off the deep end. I don't think any townie would act the way he is acting right now. | ||
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On June 13 2010 13:20 bumatlarge wrote: Um no DCL Im merely correcting facts, There is a 2nd DT that PM'd darth. Point to one post that says I'm going off the deep end. pg 69... I did not say you misstated facts. | ||
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On June 13 2010 23:44 Misder wrote: @DCLXVI Its not really hate, its just that you have some suspicious behavior and clues pointing to you that you haven't defended yet. I'm still waiting. + Show Spoiler + On June 12 2010 12:18 Misder wrote: The more I look at it, the more it seems that DCLXVI is in the mafia. Clues: Day 1: Speeding car (profile references Humvee) Day 2: Power overwhelms barth (pic references Dragonball Z power level) Day 3: Die together (like littlechava says) Seems like hes on the side of onihunter... If he is mafia, then it seems like TheGilaBoy is also mafia. This post also shows that a mafia member may have switched to lynch MooCow because he was more active townie. Voted for: YI for mayor. MooCow for lynch (switched from deuce, one of the first) I didn't respond to this because this post was just so f@*#ing stupid Dragon ball z reference? die together? me siding with oni????? are you serious? oh please someone analyze me and tell me about my "suspicious behavior". | ||
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On June 14 2010 09:34 DarthThienAn wrote: I didn't think to, lol. 3 think I'm mafia? lol, still? T_T Yeah, pretty sure you're mafia double lynch? or is it too late now. | ||
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I don't think DCL picked up on it. bum pushed for a rolecheck on you/MTF but I think it was mostly YI that had the logic. "is throwing doubt around on people who are mostly likely town. The exception to this is crate - but notice how he requests a rolecheck on crate/mtf. Assuming that either of these two were mafia, it's highly likely that they would be chosen as godfather. This actually makes me highly suspect crate as the godfather if Bumatlarge turns up red." This is Yellow talking. how stupid did you think I was ...Well I was right to trust either you or YI and then you or MTF I think it was the right decision to roleclaim to you anyways and force the kill on bum. You and crate probably could have lasted for a long time since no one but me or YI (and MTF I hope) suspected crate. GG anyways. Will you post a clues - player list flamewheel? | ||
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On June 14 2010 10:19 DarthThienAn wrote: ? in our PMs you skipped right over it. I was like, keep an eye for crate if bumat is red. and then you were like, I meant LD? and i was like... oh... okay xD flamewheel afk. oh, yeah I misread that pm. I thought you were talking about how I said LD turned up green in the rolecheck so he may be the GF. you worded the pm slightly differently | ||
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On June 14 2010 11:06 MTF wrote: May I ask why Oni/Bum were thrown under? I get that Onihunter was probably because of TGB, but why Bum? Was it only because I was likely to begin the lynch against him anyway, further validating yourself and getting the fake DT in? I pmed darth telling him to announce my rolecheck in the thread and reasons as to why he should if he was a townie. Then said that I had someone else who knew about our conversation. | ||
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On June 14 2010 12:38 DarthThienAn wrote: the last day / night where we killed YellowInk/LaXer was all for the lulz. And I've been tired of this game for awhile now T_T. would rather work on my setup. crate was just disgusted by the gameplay level xD. Yeah I know I played you and LD completely <3. I never understood why people implicitly trusted you. I think I commented on that early on how people just "felt" that you were town and went with that. Your posts were quite neutral till day 3. | ||
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