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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
He just betrayed L because he couldn't live with the damage he would be doing to the neutral cause....For L had black mailed him.... | ||
flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
On May 24 2010 00:51 Ace wrote: I still have no idea whats going on. | ||
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Terranlisk
Singapore1404 Posts
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
I am not Meng Huo. I claimed Meng Huo for only one reason; To avoid being recruited. Who would want to recruit a player that does not have any special abilities besides deserting his own faction? I know the Three Kingdoms very well, which allows me to come up with this role. Guess what, Meng Huo with the exact same ability I came up with actually exist in this game (assuming that MyHeroNoob is also telling the truth, and did not "make up" the same role like I did). Earlier in the thread, I replied to Radfield with the following. On May 22 2010 02:42 Fishball wrote: No. Bodyguards roles and the such will not have a choice, as their abilities are passive. My role has a passive ability, and if I were to be recruited, I would have no choice but to "help" my leader, whether I know it or not, want it or not. ---------- I am not a leader or recruiter. When Hesmyrr brought up the neutral victory at the beginning, I was the first one to propose that a mass role claim would be needed (role claim, not just name claim). On May 19 2010 09:04 Fishball wrote: As cool as this idea sounds, it wouldn't really work. It is too hard to work, as all the neutrals would have to be on the same page. Also, leaders can still "recruit" you whether you like it or not. Still, I like this idea. I would be way more motivated to play for myself, instead of leader(player) I don't like. For this to work, basically everyone has to role claim; Their character and powers. Then we organize our night and day KP, to trim down the leaders to two. We then kill them at the same time in order to prevent "a single party outnumbering the other" situation. Of course there are a lot more smaller details to sort out, but this is the main idea. BrownBear also PM'd me right away after I claimed Meng Huo. I could have easily abused this opportunity and lied if I were hostile to the neutrals. I didn't. So your role is awesome, if it's true. Can you explain exactly how it works, please? If you want collateral, just let me know, and I'll roleclaim to you first. I am still neutral. LunarDestiny had a good read here. On May 23 2010 03:54 LunarDestiny wrote: For the case of Meng Huo's double claim. At least one of them is telling the truth. The other one... might not be a recruiter. What is bothering me is the remaining people who hasn't nameclaim. I ask one more time, please go forth and name claim. Remaining 3: 6. Ohn 8. Iaaan 24. Jugan ---------- As for our current Night, I propose to have Tricode check me, just to further validate my creditability, as motive itself is never enough. Regarding MyHeroNoob, even though he has been quiet all game, and we don't know whether his claim is fake or not, compared to the other dual claimers, he shouldn't be our focus right now. In the past few pages, I noticed DarthThienAn has been trying to push the focus on the other two claim incidents, instead of his dual Ma Chao claim. Looks kinda fishy to me. Trezequet23's claim of Cao Pi being able to kill the recruiter, if the recruiter isn't Cao Cao doesn't really make sense (Judging based on my knowledge of the Three Kingdoms). I would send Abenson on him, as I have a hunch he could be YT. Iaaan's claim of Cao Pi being able to rebuild Wei after Cao Cao's death, if recruited by Cao Cao makes a bit more sense, but it is still a somewhat bizarre skill. Yet this is a Caller game, so who knows. Right now, YT is still our biggest threat. If Abenson's role claim is true, his power is one of our best weapons. We want to kill YT/Leaders, but not trim down our neutral numbers in the case we are wrong. I would still propose role checking Abenson. We would never want to be lead blindly. Like mentioned by others already, it is safe to assume YT already has at least 3-5 members right now. You might not know if you're recruited if they choose not to notify you. It is like a hidden plague amongst us. If we're lucky, we should be able to catch at least 2 original YT among these dual claims. | ||
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Abenson
Canada4122 Posts
Too tell the truth, I thought getting people to PM me with ideas on who is who o.o | ||
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
1)Fishball claims Meng Huo (p.47) MyHeroNoob claims Meng Huo (p.50) Fishball unclaims Meng Huo (p.60) 2)DarthThienAn claims Ma Chao after five page of trolling us (p.47) TwoToneTerran claims Ma Chao (p.49) DarthThienAn responds that he was fishing(p.49) DarthThienAn refers to his hints(p.45) (Zhou Jie Lun and Xiao Yu) to claim he's ZhouYu(p.51) 3)Trezeguet23 claims Cao Pi(p.43) Iaaan claims Cao Pi(p.56) + Show Spoiler [Fishball and MyHeroNoob] + On May 22 2010 10:30 Fishball wrote: I wonder who was the first to bring up the idea of Name and Roleclaiming 2-3 days ago? Hmm... I think it was me. Also, stop saying that I'm MIA ffs. I have a full time job that requires me to work from 7-4pm weekdays. I also go to the gym 4 days a week and am back home usually around 6 MST. I'm Meng Huo. I get to escape from recruitment. + Show Spoiler [DarthThienAn and TwoToneTerran] + On May 22 2010 21:18 DarthThienAn wrote: To be honest, the situation concerning me is irrelevant. We need people to nameclaim and see where the contradictions come up. I don't know the first thing about the Three Kingdoms except what I've been reading on Wikipedia. So the whole "first five general that comes to your head", well I guess that's true. Stumbled upon the article and figured, Caller already had a couple, why not one more =D. I already explained my reasoning as to why I did what I did. I took Caller's "trolling is encouraged" to heart, first of all, but then decided I wanted to get more information for the town. I intentionally name and roleclaimed ahead of time to Radfield, then BB, so that when the time came, they could clear my name. Since this will say nothing about my role (I don't think), I'll claim for real this time: I am Zhou Jie Lun + Xiao Yu at the same time o.o o.o I'm Zhou Yu. I look really good and I'm great at music. And I'm really jealous of Radfield and am destined to die. Says Wikipedia anyway. + Show Spoiler [Trezeguet23 and Iaaan] + On May 23 2010 11:03 Iaaan wrote: This man is lying, I am Cao Pi, the son of Cao Cao. His guess about Cao Pi's abilities is also wrong, if I was recruited by Cao Cao, and he died, I would take his place. That doesn't matter anymore tho, since Cao Cao is dead. Just a disclaimer, I haven't read the last like 20 pages so I have no idea whats going on. I was just skimming quickly and saw this, I don't know whats been going on, only that Trez is bullshitting. I wont have time to read the thread today or tmrw, which I apologies for, but if you have any questions, ask. Order of name claim (Bold is certain) (contradictory roles underlined): 1.Last Romantic (Cao Cao) 2.Barth (Diao Chan) 3.~Opz~ (Lu Bu) 4.Abenson (Taishi Ci) 5.Hesmyrr (Lu Xun) 6.Tricode (Lu Meng) 7.XeliN (Jiang Wei) 8.BrownBear (Zhao Yun) 9.Radfield (Zhuge Liang) 10.LunarDestiny (Xu Zhu) 11.Bill Murray (Yuan Shao) 12.Trezeguet23 (Cao Pi) 13.Falcynn (Sima Yi) 14.Scamp (Guan Yu) 15.BloodyC0bbler (Huang Gai) 16.johnnyspazz (Zhang Liao) 17.TwoToneTerran (Ma Chao) 18.MyHeroNoob (Meng Huo) 19.DarthThienAn (Zhou Yu) 20.L (Sun Quan) 21.Jugan (Zhang Fei) 22.Iaaan (Cao Pi) 23.ohN (Pang Tong) 24.FishBall (unknown) . | ||
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
I don't think there is any mistake. I did not take account of hints of DarthAnThien. I did not take account of reason why people don't want to name claim earlier than they had. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
Only Liu Bei and Zhang Jiao who are reluctant to truthfully name claim would post later and try not a repeat a name posted before. There is a high possibility that Liu Bei and Zhang Jiao did name claimed early but they got away with it since there are TONS of important characters in ROTK. | ||
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
The reason is they both claim to have the ability to escape recruitment. Think about it this way: If either is a faction leader, they WANT Zhang Jiao to recruit them which will kill Zhang Jiao instantly. Again, I am saying they are not likely to be the third faction leader. I have no idea if either is Zhang Jiao or not. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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Abenson
Canada4122 Posts
I hit/visited Fishball | ||
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
My argument why it is unlikely to Liu Bei contacted his recruit is there is more con than pro by contacting his recruit. By now, Liu Bei should only have one recruit which does not give him significant control over the voting. By contacting his recruit, the recruit might not be loyal to him 100% since there is a chance he would be recruited by YT after. By contacting his recruit, it gives away his identity which would be bad if YT recruited this person or this person reveal his lord's identity. It is better for faction leader to contact his recruits in the mid to late game where he can greatly influence the voting. | ||
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
On May 24 2010 14:11 Bill Murray wrote: fishball for 3rd recruiter Would be dumb if I'm a recruited and ask Tricode to check me, no? | ||
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Tricode
United States538 Posts
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DarthThienAn
United States2734 Posts
On May 24 2010 13:02 Fishball wrote: Ok, got some free time now so here it goes. I am not Meng Huo. I claimed Meng Huo for only one reason; To avoid being recruited. Who would want to recruit a player that does not have any special abilities besides deserting his own faction? I know the Three Kingdoms very well, which allows me to come up with this role. Guess what, Meng Huo with the exact same ability I came up with actually exist in this game (assuming that MyHeroNoob is also telling the truth, and did not "make up" the same role like I did). Earlier in the thread, I replied to Radfield with the following. My role has a passive ability, and if I were to be recruited, I would have no choice but to "help" my leader, whether I know it or not, want it or not. ---------- I am not a leader or recruiter. When Hesmyrr brought up the neutral victory at the beginning, I was the first one to propose that a mass role claim would be needed (role claim, not just name claim). BrownBear also PM'd me right away after I claimed Meng Huo. I could have easily abused this opportunity and lied if I were hostile to the neutrals. I didn't. LunarDestiny had a good read here. ---------- As for our current Night, I propose to have Tricode check me, just to further validate my creditability, as motive itself is never enough. Regarding MyHeroNoob, even though he has been quiet all game, and we don't know whether his claim is fake or not, compared to the other dual claimers, he shouldn't be our focus right now. In the past few pages, I noticed DarthThienAn has been trying to push the focus on the other two claim incidents, instead of his dual Ma Chao claim. Looks kinda fishy to me. Trezequet23's claim of Cao Pi being able to kill the recruiter, if the recruiter isn't Cao Cao doesn't really make sense (Judging based on my knowledge of the Three Kingdoms). I would send Abenson on him, as I have a hunch he could be YT. Iaaan's claim of Cao Pi being able to rebuild Wei after Cao Cao's death, if recruited by Cao Cao makes a bit more sense, but it is still a somewhat bizarre skill. Yet this is a Caller game, so who knows. Right now, YT is still our biggest threat. If Abenson's role claim is true, his power is one of our best weapons. We want to kill YT/Leaders, but not trim down our neutral numbers in the case we are wrong. I would still propose role checking Abenson. We would never want to be lead blindly. Like mentioned by others already, it is safe to assume YT already has at least 3-5 members right now. You might not know if you're recruited if they choose not to notify you. It is like a hidden plague amongst us. If we're lucky, we should be able to catch at least 2 original YT among these dual claims. Look at it from my perspective. I've explained myself over and over to Scamp, giving him the same reason every time as to why I did what I did. Any further discussion on it, unless someone has something new to ask me, is a waste of time to the town. Which is which I "tried to push the focus on the other two claim incidents." We need(ed?) to cover all of the bases regarding night actions to make sure we get the most information we can out of tonight and confirm who's lying, etc. Do you agree with me? We've done incredibly well to kill 2 leaders in two days, although we lost Hesmyrr. Now, however, the rate of recruitment is half of what it could have been in the beginning - and like Caller said, we're in a great position to win as neutral. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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