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On May 26 2010 11:26 Fishball wrote:So I thought about it in the shower. LunarDestiny should hit BM.- He already confirmed himself as a YT. - All the stuff he brought up is pretty much bullshit. (Read the last 5 pages, too much to reference) Either he is lying, or both him and Abenson are both lying. - He says he will kill the killer if hit, and he will have oh-so-shiny real powers if lynch. I call this a HUGE bluff. If Trez is indeed the leader, there is a high probability for him to have 2 lives. BM knows a lynch will kill Trez, therefore tries to draws fire to himself instead and have a someone "hit" Trez. Trez will survive if he has 2 lives. Show nested quote +On May 26 2010 06:13 Bill Murray wrote:
can you read?
my real power is in relation to the day lynch
if you shan't lynch me i shan't use it
when you use it trez i will show you whats up
if you dayvig me i will kill the person attacking me - If we kill BM and kill Trez, but Trez is not the leader OR Trez is the leader but the rest of the YT did not die alongside with him, it's still a good move, as we get 2 YT's.
Edit: real powers in relations to a lynch
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Here is an interesting statistic.
Players by faction.
1. Bill Murray............Yuan Shao - Other
2. Hesmyrr................Lu Xun - Wei
3. johnnyspazz ........Zhang Liao - Wei
4. Radfield................Zhuge Liang - Shu
5. Scamp..................Guan Yu - Shu
6. Ohn......................Pang Tong - Shu
7. Falcynn................Sima Yi - Wei
8. Iaaan.....................Cao Pi - Wei
9. L...........................Sun Quan - Wu
10. BloodyCobbler.....Huang Gai - Wu
11. MyHeroNoob.......Meng Huo - Other
12. Xelin...................Jian Wei - Shu
13. BrownBear..........Zhao Yun - Shu
14. Tricode................Lu Meng - Wu
15. TwotoneTerran.....Ma Chao - Shu
16. Abenson.............Taishi Ci - Wu
17. ~Opz~................Lu Bu - Other
18. Barth.................Diao Chan - Other
19. Trezequet23........ Other - YT
20. Fishball............... Wei
21. Lunardestiny.......Xu Zhu - Wei
22. Last Romantic....Cao Cao - Wei
23. DarthThienAn......Zhou Yu - Wu
24. Jugan.................Zhang Fei - Shu
So we have
- 7 Wei
- 7 Shu
- 5 Wu
- 5 Other (Including YT)
It would only make sense that Caller would try to equal up the characters in game from different factions. If this piece of information means anything, then we have too little Wu, or too many Wei and Shu characters. Keep in mind that the characters claimed so far, even if not double claimed, doesn't means its legit.
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Also keep in mind Liu Bei is not there. That makes a potential of 8 Shu characters, way too many.
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On May 26 2010 12:21 LunarDestiny wrote:
Fishball, I don't like Lu Xun being a Wei.
My mistake on that one.
So we have
- 6 Wei
- 7(8?) Shu
- 6 Wu
- 5 Other (Including YT)
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That's exactly what I have. I just have Wei as top, and you have Shu as top.
The brackets 8 for Shu is the number accounted for Liu Bei.
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On May 26 2010 18:59 XeliN wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2010 11:11 Fishball wrote:
No, I just hate dumb people in general.
You, Xelin, etc. Hey Dickhead stop being a crabby patch doll, like I said earlier if your gonna make accusations back them up otherwise your just a whiney QQ fagmatron. + Show Spoiler + who takes copious ammounts of phallic vegetables in the pooper
You're not worth my time.
But ouch! That gotta hurt!
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On May 26 2010 16:29 Bill Murray wrote:
post 10 = me explaining i'm not 100% sure I'm even YT, and I would want to see Trez die before me
This one specifically caught my eye - You would want to see Trez die before yourself.
So at first you asked people to kill you and hit Trez. According to your logic, both would still die, since Trez is not a leader.
Now we switch it up a bit; We hit you and lynch Trez. If your logic is correct, then the outcome shouldn't change and you would both die right? What are you squealing about?
Ohhh, I see why the 180° change of tone now.
What if Trez is actually the leader,and you just draw fire to kill yourself with no cause, as he will die with a lynch and you will get hit for nothing.
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I'm not sure whether to take you serious or not since you were the one who PM'd me.
But its OK, you will always hold this special spot in my heart as ma biatch.
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If you, BrownBear, LunarDestiny and DarthThienAn all want me to announce my role, I will do so.
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Also, if none of my actions thus far cannot convince you that I am NOT Liu Bei, then I've got no more to say.
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On May 27 2010 10:39 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 10:35 Fishball wrote:
Also, if none of my actions thus far cannot convince you that I am NOT Liu Bei, then I've got no more to say. Hit me with a breakdown of your actions. This thread has been real drawn out and i forget alot of what has gone on. As far as I know, you pushed hard to lynch Trez yesterday. This doesn't count against being the green leader, because of course the green leader would also push hard for lynching trez yesterday. In fact, everyone was and should have been pushing to lynch trez yesterday. It was obvious. So what other actions make you not a leader? I'm not trying to be snarky here, I just can't think of any.
No way I'm spending 2 hours to search and quote what I did this entire game. This is entirely up to you.
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I am Dian Wei. Bodyguard, protect Night Hits.
I do NOT have Day Kill abilities like Xu Zhu.
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On May 27 2010 10:43 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 10:42 Fishball wrote:On May 27 2010 10:39 Radfield wrote:On May 27 2010 10:35 Fishball wrote:
Also, if none of my actions thus far cannot convince you that I am NOT Liu Bei, then I've got no more to say. Hit me with a breakdown of your actions. This thread has been real drawn out and i forget alot of what has gone on. As far as I know, you pushed hard to lynch Trez yesterday. This doesn't count against being the green leader, because of course the green leader would also push hard for lynching trez yesterday. In fact, everyone was and should have been pushing to lynch trez yesterday. It was obvious. So what other actions make you not a leader? I'm not trying to be snarky here, I just can't think of any. No way I'm spending 2 hours to search and quote what I did this entire game. This is entirely up to you. Don't search or quote anything. I'll do the fact checking. You just tell me in your own words what you've done.
You expect me to remember every single argument I made or every move I made? No.
All I can tell you right off my head is, pretty much everything I've pushed for, or argued against, are all logical, at least to me.
How about that one post where I said I'm not Meng Huo? I made a bunch of arguments there. I was the only person who asked Tricode to check me the other day, but instead, Abenson visited me. I was already brought up as suspicious with the dual claim incidents. Do you think I would make a bluff move to suggest that? Maybe, but not likely.
How about you point out the questions and I answer them instead.
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On May 27 2010 10:47 DarthThienAn wrote:
Question to everyone:
How did barth die night 1?
Brownbear didn't do it, which means we have another vigilante or something. It wasn't Radfield's random power either because he got YT killer and got roleblocked anyway. So what happened there? Second vig, please RC if you are alive.
BC, do you know what Jugan's role was?
I vaguely remember there was another claim that said he had killing power.
Johnnyspazz or something?
I hardly remember who claimed what power.
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Announcement, Shu concedes.
BC is Liu Bei.
I am, well, Dian Wei like I said.
After some back and forth PM's between BC and Caller, we decided to wait till 12:00 KST and call the game. I consider this as a victory for Shu already, so we have no regrets. I foresaw this situation days ago, and the answers Caller gave us seals our decision. GG.
I'll post more after people have chipped in and acknowledged the situation.
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Just in case if people were wonder what my "real" role abilities are.
You are Dian Wei, the Stalwart Defender! Your faction leader cannot lose night lives or die until you are dead.
We confirmed with Caller. As long as I'm alive, my leader cannot be Day hit, Night Hit, Lynched, etc.. He flat out cannot die if I'm alive.
My motives of not being wanted to be recruited (by others) is sincere.
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On May 27 2010 12:15 Scamp wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 11:00 LunarDestiny wrote:I still can't believe BC who claims Huang Gai can kill Zhang Fei. 81 is no where near 97. ![[image loading]](http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/4369/zhangfei.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/1461/huanggaiv.jpg) Except that's a picture oh Huang Zhong, not Huang Gai.
No, that is Huang Gai. The name in Chinese says it.
They just have similar avatars, as they are both old...
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On May 27 2010 12:23 Iaaan wrote:
well, gg.
You were very vocal this game Fishball (: Never seen you post so much before.
Because this isn't a Mafia game. There are no "bad guys"; You don't die for speaking up, especially not when your shit actually makes some sense.
I actually wasn't going to join this game in the first place. I already played a few games in a row, and the last game I played, I was totally out of it. I was planning to take at least a 6 months break or so. However Three Kingdoms does have a special place in my heart, and when I saw LR signed up, I signed up too.
Then I found out about this 1v1v1v1 no-loyalty-whatsoever BS. I regretted. I fished BC on MSN the first day and found out he was Liu Bei (Long story). I told him my role and said if he doesn't recruit me, then I would really have no goal or motivation to play the game. This was prior the neutral victory idea was brought up.
I don't want to flash back too much in detail right now, so I'll just talk about some key moments/issues. Early on, you guys will remember me questioning about the players "loyalty". Radfield will remember me pointing out that players recruited does not necessarily have to stay loyal to his leader. This is a HUGE issue. Caller later told us, even if players are recruited by a faction, the player can still use their power on their own faction. Let's say if we recruit BrownBear, he can still kill us anytime he wants. Keep in mind this is not Mafia, we don't have any KP at all. There is no way for us to get rid of any players.
We asked Caller whether we would win if we eliminated YT, as Shu would be the remaining faction. His answer was no, as he counted neutrals as a faction (Different from the original rule). When Caller made the neutral a "faction", all the leaders were already at a huge disadvantage.
Dissapointed, but to be expected.
Basically the only way for Shu to win at this point, is to keep recruiting, and hopefully survive the next 8 or more cycles. Fat chance.
Side note, BC was afk the majority of the time. His visitor pisses me off. He also fucked up the roleclaim. That's not what I told him to say, but I guess it doesn't matter anymore. 
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Oh, and really, lol + WTF + !@#$ to BM.
His shit, from start, to the end, never made any sense.
He contradicted himself like a hundred times, as if he just posts whatever drops out of his ass at the time.
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On May 27 2010 21:52 Hesmyrr wrote:
I think it was all about charisma and public conception; I still recall how most people were skeptical of my plan until Lost Romantic and L was caught consecutively. If that had not happened I don't think enough people would have got behind the plan for neutral victory to work. Honestly most people came into this game expecting faction fight, so turning people against it initially was the hardest task- which is why I over-villainized faction leaders day 1 immediately after Caller threw out some fuel to work with. After THAT post no one was going to openly support the idea of faction fight (even neutrals since their primary goal is to survive, which is not going against town's consensus naturally does. And no leader would have recruited the neutral who planted target on himself.) I would have immediately taken the risk, reveal myself to the first recruit (mouthpiece was necessary to organize future recruits after all) and appease him/her as best as I can lol.
Yellow Turban, because its members could not be recruited, was closest to the actual cult and could have been very powerful had not Trezquet23 drew so much suspicion to himself. If you knew you were going to get checked I would definitely have sent him PM in advance that I was recruiting him. 'Appease' is key word here- when idea of neutral victory got dominant the power balance between recruiter and neutrals got reversed. There seem to be plenty of opinions who said this was not the game was meant to be played so if you were nice about it, I think people would have been acceptable. Hell, L even said "lol your plan sucks b/c this" and I still tried my hardest to save him before giving up for moral victory. I am especially curious after knowing Fishball's ability why he gave up- Fishball was seen as pro-town by day 2~3, so if he worked to keep people away from suspecting his true ability, BC could potentially have lived just enough to make it.
My theorycraft best plan for the what leaders should have done
1) Have the recruited members contact me or L. Set up an alliance whose conduit will be recruited members so that faction leaders identity can necessarily be kept secret. I had idea about using anonymous quickboard.
2) Role-claim wisely. I did it several times as Mafia and it isn't that hard -_- Almost all leaders got caught because of that. Fishball also needed to fake-role/nameclaim so BC's strength became that much stronger.
3) BC publicly claims himself as faction leader, or deliberately give off an "scumslip". Use all three faction members to spread ideas that BC must be lynched.
BC survives. 3 people recruited night 2, L is protected (by me) and BC is immune.
You really think 4 different leaders would agree on this ? Even if they do, the "recruited members" might not even listen to the leaders. Hell they could even reveal X/Y/Z is the leader to the public.
As for role claiming, that was pretty bad. BC's role claim wasn't exactly what I told him to say and I was face palm all over when I saw it. He literally said it doesn't matter as he can't die if I was still alive, and could literally stand out and claim leader. On the other hand, I was pushing for the concede while waiting for Caller's reply, so yeah.
Also keep in mind, role claiming in Mafia and role claiming in this game is totally different. If you don't have good knowledge about Three Kingdoms, the characters names and their role abilities you claim might not make sense to those who actually know about the history. I doubt most of you could come up with a Meng Huo role, (which actually existed in game). I mean small things like L's Sun Ren name claim, and Trez's Cao Pi ability claim, makes zero sense.
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