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On May 23 2010 02:42 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2010 02:23 BrownBear wrote:
Ahh ok, I see now. So L has claimed Trez PMed him about a vig hit, which... is or is not true?
Trezguet, can you weigh in here? If you say "naw, this is a lie" then L's coffin is sealed. Trezguet has claimed in thread to be Cao Cao's son, can't remember the name. His ability is to kill any leader who tries to recruit him. Him claiming Vig to L seems awful strange, unless he was just fishing for information.
Cao Cao's son is Cao Pi which Trezguet name claimed. Cao Pi was never part of another faction in the history of ROTK in both novel(fictional) and recorded history.
However, in the PS2/PSP game Warrior Orochi (Dynasty Warrior and Samurai Warrior fusion), Cao Pi worked for Orochi who is the main villain of the game (similar to Zhang Jiao in this Mafia game) and revolted against Orochi.
Since Warrior Orochi is a fairly recent game (released in 2007) and a very popular in the Dynasty Warrior franchise, it is likely that Caller also played the game.
Just want to state my thought process. You guys can judge the likeliness of this.
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On May 23 2010 02:11 Hesmyrr wrote:
Tricode was extremely unlucky in that I encrypted-roleclaimed to ~Opz~ and L, and that my ability coincidentally perfectly countered his.
Lmao....I liked Hesmyrr's neutral idea...So we started talking and swapped names...then encrypted roles.
Noble sacrifice good sir...You are very nice
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On May 23 2010 03:47 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2010 03:39 LunarDestiny wrote:
That is not what I was saying. That is no evidence that TwoToneTerran is lying. you're right, there is no concrete evidence that TwoToneTerran is lying, just some circumstantial evidence.
Could you tell me that circumstantial evidence? Dude copped to lying and fishing for my role, because it's a well known character in the story. It's like if someone lied about being Jiang Wei -- too important and the person needs to respond as for him to not get away scott clean on that role claim.
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On May 23 2010 04:26 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2010 03:47 Radfield wrote:On May 23 2010 03:39 LunarDestiny wrote:
That is not what I was saying. That is no evidence that TwoToneTerran is lying. you're right, there is no concrete evidence that TwoToneTerran is lying, just some circumstantial evidence. Could you tell me that circumstantial evidence? Dude copped to lying and fishing for my role, because it's a well known character in the story. It's like if someone lied about being Jiang Wei -- too important and the person needs to respond as for him to not get away scott clean on that role claim.
My bad, I keep confusing you and Myheronoob...
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On May 22 2010 22:49 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2010 22:15 Jugan wrote:On May 22 2010 21:25 Radfield wrote:
At this point, I think only Ohn and Jugan have left to nameclaim. At this point it's probably easy for them to fake a name, but it's still important that they do that. But I HAVE nameclaimed already! Well we all know Bushie is a leader, so we might as well lynch you 
But I'm just a puppet! I do what people tell me! I can't even open a door by myself!
On May 23 2010 03:54 LunarDestiny wrote:
For the case of Meng Huo's double claim. At least one of them is telling the truth. The other one... might not be a recruiter. What is bothering me is the remaining people who hasn't nameclaim. I ask one more time, please go forth and name claim.
Remaining 3:
6. Ohn
8. Iaaan
24. Jugan
Why?
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On May 22 2010 08:36 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2010 08:26 Hesmyrr wrote:
I'm back. First off, I agree with the idea of mass name-claim. This is exactly what BrownBear suggested we do in day 1, and though there wasn't that much time remaining in the day for this to happen, there are definitely enough time today for us to pull this off. With so many cults, if we are going to pull this victory though we have to pressure recruiters right then, right now. It is true having list of names publicized increases the recruiter's influence as day passes, but if we don't have these recruiters weeded out within early to mid-game, we as a Town are screwed already anyway.
Secondly, the vig hit is beneficial because it ensures that vig shot is used in town's benefit instead of having it kill some random neutral. Moreover having both Abenson and BrownBear acting on the night eliminates the possibility of doubt on the ensuing death, since there is no way in hell L could recruit both at the same time to influence their answer (I will in fact be protecting either of these two, so if any recruiters try feel free to join the mindfuck lol). Moreover I asked watcher to watch L, so if anyone drops in to influence the results, we are going to be on top of it.
And I love how you keep trying to draw town's attention from the main matter at hand; YT's strength will grow rapidly with increasing days, and would do anything in its power to soak up the lynches. Your lie has been counted perfectly by my roleclaim (which came before yours) and now your argument boils down to how "L will weasle his way out of lynch tomorrow" while any logical player would realize if that you TRULY were genuine in your claim my plan ensures there are no escape route L can take. Exactly. I would say that, unless we get 1 or 2 more recruiters soon, the metagame is going to switch somewhere around day 4 from "neutrals vs. factions" to "factions vs. factions, with neutrals as the pawns." Also, since Abenson can only kill YT players, apparently, we would want to have him target people we think are Yellow Turbans? Or does he just have a straight nightkill that got blocked by you? Either way, my plan is to hit L tonight. And it looks like I'm going to be winning the dayvote, I think, so now is the time for people to start posting who they want me to kill. Right now, I'm assuming it's Tricode, since that will tell us a lot about L, and whether he's lying or not, but if people (besides Tricode, you don't get to have a say anymore) have a convincing argument for someone else I'm listening.
I expect him to be roleblocked quite frequently or to get modkilled in all honesty. We're talking about Abenson.... Abenson. Not a good player, Abenson.
On May 22 2010 08:46 Trezeguet23 wrote:
I am Cao Pi son of Cao Cao.
I kill a leader other than cao cao if they attempt to recruit me.
I was told who LR was before the game and he knew who I was, but I was not yet a part of the clan. But on the 4th night I would be recruited automatically to blue.
That was supposed to be the blue advantage I think.
My Edit was to remove the Chinese characters that didn't go in right, blah, computer sucks
I don't believe you at all.
On May 22 2010 08:57 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2010 08:46 Radfield wrote:
Also, when Last Romantic died, we got his name and alignment, but not his powers. We only found out about his veteran ability from LR's death post.
So don't plan on learning anything about people roles when they die Yeah, you posted that while I was typing, saw it after I posted >< So, to shut Tricode up, I'm also going to say this: I am planning to hit L tonight. If he is a faction leader, though, he has two lives, so I think to be completely safe about this, anyone else who has nightkilling powers should also target L tonight. This way, we ensure he dies, and what he flips as tells us important information. If he lives through the night, that tells us nothing and we've wasted another day. Therefore, if you have a nightkill and are reading this, PLEASE target L with it.
How can you be so sure people haven't been lying? I feel like this thread is full of bull.
On May 22 2010 09:18 Scamp wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2010 09:07 Hesmyrr wrote:
I am crystal clear. I choose person, any night action related to that person will be completely nullified. Well see this is the problem. Now both L and Tricode are lying, are very assuming, or you are lying. If what you say is true then no medic should have PMed L and said he protected him. Tricode wouldn't have gotten a 2 night life result. I guess a medic could have PMed L telling him he was protected, even though I can't see a good reason for a medic to do that. Tricode could have some kind of vigi power and just assumed L has two night lives, but that's kind of oddly specific. Why not say he can't be killed by a vig? I would assume all faction leaders would have that power, otherwise vigs are game-breaking. All I know for sure is that I want them all dead. Again, if we think Tricode is a YT then there is no assurance that Abenson will be able to kill him, or even choose to do so. That's not a waste of a lynch at all.
Considered that Caller makes actions go through in the order that people send them in? Not saying he does this, but it would explain a lot.
On May 22 2010 09:31 L wrote:Show nested quote +Trez is Cao Pi and Falcynn is Sima Yi? This means we have to kill both of them in a few days since they're the ones most likely to rebuild Wei.
Also I am Guan Yu. Anyone jealous? Wait, what? Factions can come back from death even if we kill their leader? How the fuck is a neutral victory even remotely possible if factions start reforming around day 3-4? This is fucking horrendous.
I don't like that either (unless somehow I win because of it)
On May 22 2010 09:42 L wrote:
As much as I will likely die unless the same 7 person clusterfuck happens again, I'd prefer if neutrals won because then its a moral victory for me.
Strange wording, L. Care to explain the difference between a moral victory and an actual victory?
On May 22 2010 10:12 L wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2010 10:05 BrownBear wrote:
I think Tricode is a low priority target - by all normal logic he's scummy, but in this game, just daykilling scum isn't going to cut it since they can make, and as long as there's more than one faction they'll outpace our daykilling. If we don't have a better lead to go on, he's probably dead, but I'm confident we can figure out a better target than him. There's still almost 24 hours left in the cycle after all. BC's a better target than he is if you want to take a shot at a leader.
I completely agree. BC is a good target, and is in line with his blue-play.
On May 22 2010 11:22 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2010 11:16 johnnyspazz wrote:
okaay sooo i don't have access to a computer for like a day and jesus christ the thread doubles??? can someone give me a heads up on what i should know? You're a lesbian.
hahahahahahah
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On May 22 2010 11:25 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2010 11:16 johnnyspazz wrote:
okaay sooo i don't have access to a computer for like a day and jesus christ the thread doubles??? can someone give me a heads up on what i should know? Alright, one more post. Dammit, I'm addicted tot his game Here's what happened, roughly: Tricode claims he rolechecked L, and saw that L has recruitment powers A lot of people jump on this bandwagon Hesmyrr then counters, with evidence. He can block anything from happening to one person at night, including rolechecks. He proves himself trustworthy. The town gets very pissed at Tricode, because Tricode has now lied, making him very scummy. Decisions get made. One is that I will handle today's daykill, so vote for me, and argue for who you want to kill. The other decision (something we should have done the first day), is that everyone MUST post their name in the thread. They can post their role if they wish, but if they feel uncomfortable doing so, just a name will suffice. This is to root out the faction leaders, as they will have to lie about their name, and stand a chance of getting caught. Them's the basics. Everything else is basically debate (you should read the entire thing, though, because this is a VERY basic overview and you'll miss out on a lot of stuff). So, to throw suspicion off yourself, do these things! 1. Read the entire thread 2. Post at least your name, and your role if you feel comfortable doing so (if you do not, that's totally cool and doesn't cast suspicion on you). 3. Do some analysis! Post who you think is likely to be a faction leader. Our goal is to kill another with the dayvote if at all possible. 4. If you agree with me handling the dayvote, vote for me in the vote thread. If you don't, vote for someone else, and state the reason why.
Don't forget Hesmyrr was the most obvious town player day 1. I even said that in the thread, and endorsed him. If L is a faction leader, it would be fairly obvious that he could recruit Hesmyrr. This could explain why Hesmyrr would come out and counter Tricode's claim. My vote is to kill Tricode for being an idiot.
Also, does anyone have a list of Player Name - Character Name - Claimed Role? That would be helpful as fuck to the town.
On May 22 2010 11:34 LunarDestiny wrote:
Hesmyrr, what ever you do please do not roleblock on Tricode or L since people will be doing investigation on them. I want to kill them
On May 23 2010 04:46 Jugan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2010 22:49 Radfield wrote:On May 22 2010 22:15 Jugan wrote:On May 22 2010 21:25 Radfield wrote:
At this point, I think only Ohn and Jugan have left to nameclaim. At this point it's probably easy for them to fake a name, but it's still important that they do that. But I HAVE nameclaimed already! Well we all know Bushie is a leader, so we might as well lynch you But I'm just a puppet! I do what people tell me! I can't even open a door by myself! Show nested quote +On May 23 2010 03:54 LunarDestiny wrote:
For the case of Meng Huo's double claim. At least one of them is telling the truth. The other one... might not be a recruiter. What is bothering me is the remaining people who hasn't nameclaim. I ask one more time, please go forth and name claim.
Remaining 3:
6. Ohn
8. Iaaan
24. Jugan
Why?
What's your nameclaim Jugan my man?
Also, this whole situation with Hesmyrr and L is making me consider starting to read Tricode's posts again.
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On May 23 2010 04:46 Jugan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2010 22:49 Radfield wrote:On May 22 2010 22:15 Jugan wrote:On May 22 2010 21:25 Radfield wrote:
At this point, I think only Ohn and Jugan have left to nameclaim. At this point it's probably easy for them to fake a name, but it's still important that they do that. But I HAVE nameclaimed already! Well we all know Bushie is a leader, so we might as well lynch you But I'm just a puppet! I do what people tell me! I can't even open a door by myself! Show nested quote +On May 23 2010 03:54 LunarDestiny wrote:
For the case of Meng Huo's double claim. At least one of them is telling the truth. The other one... might not be a recruiter. What is bothering me is the remaining people who hasn't nameclaim. I ask one more time, please go forth and name claim.
Remaining 3:
6. Ohn
8. Iaaan
24. Jugan
Why?
We asked everyone to state their name(not role) in order to put pressure on the leaders. Leaders would have to fake a name and risk tipping people off. L faked a name, and LunarDestiny immediately became suspicious because of that, although that obviously wasn't a deciding factor in L getting killed.
I explained it kind of sloppily, but does this answer your question?
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On May 23 2010 04:52 Bill Murray wrote:
What's your nameclaim Jugan my man?
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You are Zhang Fei, the unstoppable force!
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On May 23 2010 04:54 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2010 04:46 Jugan wrote:On May 22 2010 22:49 Radfield wrote:On May 22 2010 22:15 Jugan wrote:On May 22 2010 21:25 Radfield wrote:
At this point, I think only Ohn and Jugan have left to nameclaim. At this point it's probably easy for them to fake a name, but it's still important that they do that. But I HAVE nameclaimed already! Well we all know Bushie is a leader, so we might as well lynch you But I'm just a puppet! I do what people tell me! I can't even open a door by myself! On May 23 2010 03:54 LunarDestiny wrote:
For the case of Meng Huo's double claim. At least one of them is telling the truth. The other one... might not be a recruiter. What is bothering me is the remaining people who hasn't nameclaim. I ask one more time, please go forth and name claim.
Remaining 3:
6. Ohn
8. Iaaan
24. Jugan
Why? We asked everyone to state their name(not role) in order to put pressure on the leaders. Leaders would have to fake a name and risk tipping people off. L faked a name, and LunarDestiny immediately became suspicious because of that, although that obviously wasn't a deciding factor in L getting killed. I explained it kind of sloppily, but does this answer your question?
Yeah, I guess it'll make sense if everyone goes along with it.
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So only 3 hours till night begins. I have a bad feeling I won't make it pass the night...
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On May 23 2010 05:04 LunarDestiny wrote:
So only 3 hours till night begins. I have a bad feeling I won't make it pass the night...
This isn't "Mafia".
Unless leaders can tell their recruits with KP to actually kill someone, or a random neutral decided to kill you just because, then it is pretty much impossible for you to die.
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On May 23 2010 05:04 LunarDestiny wrote:
So only 3 hours till night begins. I have a bad feeling I won't make it pass the night...
There are 2 assassins. 1 is known. XeliN's probably going to be hit tonight so he's kinda forced to block brownbear, which means there's probably 1 left. He'll probably shoot cao pi.
YT is probably going to recruit abenson, liu bei i have no idea.
So no, you're probably going to survive unless you do something dumb like target lu bu.
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The fact the Diao Chan dies out of nowhere in Night 1 still bothers me.
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On May 23 2010 05:09 LunarDestiny wrote:
The fact the Diao Chan dies out of nowhere in Night 1 still bothers me.
People taking their chances of being a hero by trying to snipe a Leader.
Happens every game.
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yes.
Remaining 2:
6. Ohn
8. Iaaan
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Ask and yee shall receive Bill. Two people have not name claimed, and Fishball actually name claimed two different names. I might have missed some stuff so if anyone see's any omission let me know.
1. Bill Murray yuan shao
2. Hesmyrr Action Blocker Lu Xun
3. johnnyspazz Zhang Liao
4. Radfield Zhuge Liang
5. Scamp Guan Yu
6. Ohn
7. Falcynn Sima Yi
8. Iaaan
9. L Sun Quan
10. BloodyCobbler Huang Gai
11. MyHeroNoob Able to desert Meng Huo
12. Xelin Roleblocking Jian Wei
13. BrownBear Vigilante Zhao Yun
14. Tricode Role Cop Lu Meng
15. TwotoneTerran Ma Chao
16. Abenson YT Killer Taishi Ci
17. ~Opz~ No Role Lu Bu
18. Barth ??? Diao Chan
19. Trezequet23 Kills any leader who tries to recruit him Cao Pi
20. Fishball Able to desert Meng Huo AND Qin Shi Huang
21. Lunardestiny Xu Zhu
22. Last Romantic Leader Cao Cao
23. DarthThienAn zhou yu
24. Jugan Zhang Fei
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Damn, it fucked up my formatting. Oh well, the info is there at least.
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Should I give my take on the importance of the character claimed by people and analyze which important role hasn't been name claim?
But it could help the the Ohn and Iaaan in their name claiming.
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