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On May 21 2010 19:09 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2010 16:47 ~OpZ~ wrote:On May 21 2010 13:27 Tricode wrote:On May 21 2010 13:13 L wrote:Except the fact whether I die or not you will follow or prove my innocents. But you won't prove anything because you're going to flip YT. YT doesn't give a shit if they sacrifice one of their chumps to secure a lynch because they're 2 people ahead, maybe more if they can do that. You forget that I know you're lying. Like, flat out, 100% certain. I also know that because you're lying, you're probably YT. Lets look at how the day started; you go "i have a leader" for some reason. You don't just flat out go "I checked L and he's a Leader". You try to finesse your way into office. Someone goes "ok" and you're like "YO GUY, 100% I KNOW". When it becomes obvious that no one's going to trust you straight up, you lie outright and target me. Or rather, you probably thought it wasn't a lie because of the vig hit. And you figured that you'd be cleared as a DT if you were right. But sadly if i hadn't been saved by a medic, I'd be dead, and you'd be happy just the same. So yeah, pretty obvious ruse. Nice try with the yellow lettering though. Except you have no way to prove it and making crap up. Even if you did have a med and vig hit. Which I don't know why you would have 1 person decide to kill you and 1 medic decide to protect you out of no where. You are obviously lying and trying to save your Faction Leader skin. The biggest issue is I won't turn up what you claim because you are indeed not telling the truth. This is convincing me even more that you are possibly YT. L you're lie can only take you so far. You're going to die no matter what. You know my death will prove your guilt cause of my some what DT ability. With your death my innocence is proven and that is a guarantee of my abilities and your lies. I am letting you know THIS IS A GUARANTEE NOT A RISK! L IS A FACTION LEADER! IF YOU LET HIM MANIPULATE YOU THIS TIME HE WILL CONTINUE TO MANIPULATE YOU AND RECRUIT YOU!!! EVERYONE Know this, if L he does live, everyone else recruited by other faction leaders will know he is a faction leader if he continues to play. L will die and all he recruits will come down with him. Remember L. I HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE AND I HAVE NOTHING TO FEAR! BUT YOU DO! YOU'RE GOING DOWN! ...Actually so far roles haven't been revealed on death. Nobody but me knew about my loss of abilities. (Killed night visitors, and a special requirement for me to be killed during the day.) So I dunno where your going with this, but I'm fine with killing L. Iaaan will probably die with him. Also...Don't DT's check alignment? Seems more like a role check role.... L's making fun because Tricode (is he new?) isn't aware dt's don't know their sanity? Keep in mind Tricode seems to of checked role, not alignment...L is simply a Faction Leader, not a Kingdom...so it's role not alignment. Agreed, this sounds much more like a role check. I imagine an alignment check would simply come back as blue/red/yellow/etc. Given that it's a role check, it would be unlikely for it to not be accurate. I'm not even sure how an insane dt would work in this format, I mean, there's no bad guys or good guys really. Insane dt's work in normal mafia because everything is clear cut. Tricode maybe you could tell us your characters name, and we could run it through the LunarDestiny ROTK machine to see if there's any lore reasons you might not get an accurate result. Currently I believe Tricode about his role check, and I think L is a likely faction leader. It's possible L is telling the truth though, as it would make sense for the YT's to sacrifice a member to kill off a faction leader. That would be an excellent trade for them. So if we imagine that Tricode is a YT, where does that get us. Well, for starters the YT's would have to KNOW L is the faction leader before they decide to sac a player to kill him. It makes no sense to try and kill L unless you suspect him of being a leader. So this means the YT's must have used some KP last night(or a role check, in which case Tricode is telling the truth anyways) to try and kill L, only to have it not go through, therefore they would claim that L is a faction leader, given that it's basically been confirmed faction leaders have veteran abilities. Only, L is just a regular townie, and happened to be saved by a medic, which threw off the YT calculations. This is basically what L is saying happened. As far as I'm concerned, the simple way to clear this up is to have the medic role claim. I don't understand why people think that roleclaiming medic would suddenly make you a target? There's no mafia here. A medic absolutely doesn't threaten the faction leaders one bit, and doesn't threaten the townies. Why would anyone waste kp on a medic? If anything, it makes you slightly more likely to be recruited is all. So I'll be voting Tricode for now, unless a medic pops up and verifies what L has said. Of course it's possibly that L is a faction leader that had both a medic and vig/assassin target him last night, but oh well. Basically, as a neutral townie(hell, any alignment), I don't really care who flops what. But this will give us some interesting info at the very least. Also Tricode, even if you're telling the truth and L flops leader, it doesn't make you any more trustworthy as the game progresses, because you could be recruited at any time. In fact you would likely be recruited YT with powers such as yours.
One thing I want to point out. Medics, DT's, Assassins etc. does not necessarily mean a good recruit; These players don't have to help their leaders if they didn't want to. Also, keep in mind they don't know who their leader is even if they wanted to help.
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On May 22 2010 00:02 Radfield wrote:
I disagree, alignment/role checkers and Assassins would make excellent recruits. Sure they might decide to not help their leaders, but that goes for every role in the game.
No. Bodyguards roles and the such will not have a choice, as their abilities are passive.
On May 22 2010 00:02 Radfield wrote:
Plus YT recruits will always play to their fullest given that they can't be swiped away.
Says who? I'm pretty sure a player can very well not give a damn if he didn't want to play for the YT for whatever reason he has.
On May 22 2010 00:02 Radfield wrote:
And remember that the leaders have the option of getting Caller to notify a new recruit. For instance, if I got a msg saying I was recruited to the green team, and then the green leader contacted me the same day, I'd be pretty damn sure that I'm on the green team. Given that all players likely have a role, it would be bad practice for leaders to not tell their members that they've been recruited. Also given that we're down to three factions(possibly two after today) there will be much less member swiping by the leaders. Which again makes it more likely for the leaders to tell people they've been recruited.
I never said it wasn't impossible to find out who recruited you. I'm just pointing out the risk factor that the leaders have to take if they wanted to tell the recruits he recruited them. This is just a hypothetical scenario, but god knows if Caller allow assassins to assassin their own leader.
On May 22 2010 00:02 Radfield wrote:
Anyways, alignment/role checkers and assassins make excellent recruits, because as a faction leader you would be able to find and eliminate potential threats, and also find good roles to recruit.
No. They CAN be good recruits if the player wants to play for you, but for sure a good recruit, every single time? Definitely no.
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On May 22 2010 02:44 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2010 02:42 Fishball wrote:On May 22 2010 00:02 Radfield wrote:
I disagree, alignment/role checkers and Assassins would make excellent recruits. Sure they might decide to not help their leaders, but that goes for every role in the game. No. Bodyguards roles and the such will not have a choice, as their abilities are passive. On May 22 2010 00:02 Radfield wrote:
Plus YT recruits will always play to their fullest given that they can't be swiped away. Says who? I'm pretty sure a player can very well not give a damn if he didn't want to play for the YT for whatever reason he has. On May 22 2010 00:02 Radfield wrote:
And remember that the leaders have the option of getting Caller to notify a new recruit. For instance, if I got a msg saying I was recruited to the green team, and then the green leader contacted me the same day, I'd be pretty damn sure that I'm on the green team. Given that all players likely have a role, it would be bad practice for leaders to not tell their members that they've been recruited. Also given that we're down to three factions(possibly two after today) there will be much less member swiping by the leaders. Which again makes it more likely for the leaders to tell people they've been recruited. I never said it wasn't impossible to find out who recruited you. I'm just pointing out the risk factor that the leaders have to take if they wanted to tell the recruits he recruited them. This is just a hypothetical scenario, but god knows if Caller allow assassins to assassin their own leader. On May 22 2010 00:02 Radfield wrote:
Anyways, alignment/role checkers and assassins make excellent recruits, because as a faction leader you would be able to find and eliminate potential threats, and also find good roles to recruit. No. They CAN be good recruits if the player wants to play for you, but for sure a good recruit, every single time? Definitely no. Well if we are all playing to win...And our win conditions change...Then I suppose we would play for whomever recruited us then.
You said it.
Keywords, "if, suppose, would". Anything is possible, but nothing is concrete.
In the past, there has been Townies that want to screw town over; There was a Mafia that gave out the list of his Family just because he was bored.
In a game like this where everyone has their own agenda, things aren't that simple.
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I am Qin Shi Huang.
You guys are all my bitches.
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On May 22 2010 07:41 L wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2010 07:36 LunarDestiny wrote:
Hmm... that leads me asking the question: Why did Caller gave L a character in her other name (子) (think middle name)
We all got the our characters in last name then first name.
ex. Zhao Yun(趙雲) and not Zhao Zi Long(趙子龍)
me Xu Zhu(許褚) and not Xu Zhòng kāng(許仲康) Fishball gave you the name for Sun Shangxian. Not Sun Ren. Sun Ren is 孫仁. She has a different name in ROTK, afaik.
No I didn't.
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On May 22 2010 08:08 LunarDestiny wrote:
Yes, Lady Sun, , and Sun Ren are the same person.
But the question I am asking is Sun Ren is a very less used name for her. I played tons of ROTK games, watch tons of ROTK related films, and read the novel and I still don't know when I first saw Sun Ren.
That aside, giving the recruiters the list of names could have very bad in the late game. Well, I already gave mine so there is no turning back.
Sun Xiang Shang is the most used name.
I vouch with my life, just saying.
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I wonder who was the first to bring up the idea of Name and Roleclaiming 2-3 days ago? Hmm... I think it was me.
Also, stop saying that I'm MIA ffs. I have a full time job that requires me to work from 7-4pm weekdays. I also go to the gym 4 days a week and am back home usually around 6 MST.
I'm Meng Huo. I get to escape from recruitment.
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On May 22 2010 10:18 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2010 10:13 Fishball wrote:On May 22 2010 07:41 L wrote:On May 22 2010 07:36 LunarDestiny wrote:
Hmm... that leads me asking the question: Why did Caller gave L a character in her other name (子) (think middle name)
We all got the our characters in last name then first name.
ex. Zhao Yun(趙雲) and not Zhao Zi Long(趙子龍)
me Xu Zhu(許褚) and not Xu Zhòng kāng(許仲康) Fishball gave you the name for Sun Shangxian. Not Sun Ren. Sun Ren is 孫仁. She has a different name in ROTK, afaik. No I didn't. There you are! Nameclaim pls?
My replies were dedicated to posts pages back, which means I was reading through the friggin thread that exploded after lunch.
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I can be recruited, but I get to escape the next cycle if I wanted.
Uses, of course, is limited, so no, I'm not perma-neutral.
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After reading so many pages regarding our current situation, I'd still say stick with Tricode's original proposal, then kill Tricode if things did not go as planned.
I DON'T CARE who is lying. It is all a distraction. Just kill them one by one if need be.
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On May 22 2010 10:45 LunarDestiny wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2010 10:40 Fishball wrote:
I can be recruited, but I get to escape the next cycle if I wanted.
Uses, of course, is limited, so no, I'm not perma-neutral.
How many uses there is/are? Please say 6 (hence the term 七擒七縱孟獲)
I want to keep that number confidential for now. Hope you see where I'm coming from.
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On May 22 2010 11:16 johnnyspazz wrote:
okaay sooo i don't have access to a computer for like a day and jesus christ the thread doubles??? can someone give me a heads up on what i should know?
You're a lesbian.
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On May 22 2010 11:46 johnnyspazz wrote:
how does escape recruitment ability work if the leaders can decide if you are notified or not if you are recruited? does caller pm you saying, "you are being recruited, counter action?"
Someone please help me answer this question for poor johnnyspazz.
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On May 22 2010 12:13 johnnyspazz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2010 11:50 Fishball wrote:On May 22 2010 11:46 johnnyspazz wrote:
how does escape recruitment ability work if the leaders can decide if you are notified or not if you are recruited? does caller pm you saying, "you are being recruited, counter action?" Someone please help me answer this question for poor johnnyspazz. haha you are so bitter i love it
If you honestly can interpret that as bitter, then I'm going to worship you.
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On May 22 2010 10:47 Fishball wrote:
After reading so many pages regarding our current situation, I'd still say stick with Tricode's original proposal, then kill Tricode if things did not go as planned.
I DON'T CARE who is lying. It is all a distraction. Just kill them one by one if need be.
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On May 23 2010 03:09 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2010 22:03 LunarDestiny wrote:+ Show Spoiler [Fishball and MyHeroNoob] +On May 22 2010 10:30 Fishball wrote:
I wonder who was the first to bring up the idea of Name and Roleclaiming 2-3 days ago? Hmm... I think it was me.
Also, stop saying that I'm MIA ffs. I have a full time job that requires me to work from 7-4pm weekdays. I also go to the gym 4 days a week and am back home usually around 6 MST.
I'm Meng Huo. I get to escape from recruitment. On May 22 2010 18:12 MyHeroNoob wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2010 18:02 LunarDestiny wrote:
Myheronoob, why are you posting pic here. cos thats my character, meng huo <_< On May 22 2010 13:40 DarthThienAn wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2010 13:30 TwoToneTerran wrote:On May 22 2010 10:44 DarthThienAn wrote:
before I go, so that i don't killed while I'm away,
I'm Ma Chao.
sup yo. If you are Ma Chao, what's your power? Because, funnily enough, I am Ma Chao and my power isn't all that thrilling but atleast I know what it is. Don't just name the first tiger general that comes to your head. It's obvious you were fishing for a response, because there's no way someone ISN'T Ma Chao. Hell, don't even give me the power, give me the reason for his power -- the logic behind what Ma Chao is capable of. At this point I'm going to vote for anyone who wants to take you out as you're blatantly lying. Yeah I was just fishing ^^. On May 22 2010 21:18 DarthThienAn wrote:
To be honest, the situation concerning me is irrelevant. We need people to nameclaim and see where the contradictions come up. I don't know the first thing about the Three Kingdoms except what I've been reading on Wikipedia. So the whole "first five general that comes to your head", well I guess that's true. Stumbled upon the article and figured, Caller already had a couple, why not one more =D.
I already explained my reasoning as to why I did what I did. I took Caller's "trolling is encouraged" to heart, first of all, but then decided I wanted to get more information for the town. I intentionally name and roleclaimed ahead of time to Radfield, then BB, so that when the time came, they could clear my name. Since this will say nothing about my role (I don't think), I'll claim for real this time:
I am Zhou Jie Lun + Xiao Yu at the same time o.o o.o
I'm Zhou Yu. I look really good and I'm great at music. And I'm really jealous of Radfield and am destined to die. Says Wikipedia anyway. They both did have better posts about Ma Chao...Anyway... I dunno whom to believe...probably more so Fishball said he might quit earlier...MyHeroNoob hasn't really been posting...Whole things wild.
We'll deal with it after this Night cycle.
I actually don't care if there are two dual claims right now, let's just focus on our task one by one.
Also, just for the record, I never said I'd flat out quit. I said I'll be willing to give up my spot for a more enthusiastic player if need be.
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On May 23 2010 03:08 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2010 02:53 Fishball wrote:On May 22 2010 10:47 Fishball wrote:
After reading so many pages regarding our current situation, I'd still say stick with Tricode's original proposal, then kill Tricode if things did not go as planned.
I DON'T CARE who is lying. It is all a distraction. Just kill them one by one if need be. Should we all quote our own posts now Fishball to show how smart we are 
I was also going to quote where I replied to you, regarding players that are recruited does not mean loyalty to their leaders. They can screw them over if they wanted. This case is a good example.
Couldn't find that post ;(
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On May 23 2010 03:43 L wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2010 03:16 Fishball wrote:On May 23 2010 03:09 ~OpZ~ wrote:On May 22 2010 22:03 LunarDestiny wrote:+ Show Spoiler [Fishball and MyHeroNoob] +On May 22 2010 10:30 Fishball wrote:
I wonder who was the first to bring up the idea of Name and Roleclaiming 2-3 days ago? Hmm... I think it was me.
Also, stop saying that I'm MIA ffs. I have a full time job that requires me to work from 7-4pm weekdays. I also go to the gym 4 days a week and am back home usually around 6 MST.
I'm Meng Huo. I get to escape from recruitment. On May 22 2010 18:12 MyHeroNoob wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2010 18:02 LunarDestiny wrote:
Myheronoob, why are you posting pic here. cos thats my character, meng huo <_< On May 22 2010 13:40 DarthThienAn wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2010 13:30 TwoToneTerran wrote:On May 22 2010 10:44 DarthThienAn wrote:
before I go, so that i don't killed while I'm away,
I'm Ma Chao.
sup yo. If you are Ma Chao, what's your power? Because, funnily enough, I am Ma Chao and my power isn't all that thrilling but atleast I know what it is. Don't just name the first tiger general that comes to your head. It's obvious you were fishing for a response, because there's no way someone ISN'T Ma Chao. Hell, don't even give me the power, give me the reason for his power -- the logic behind what Ma Chao is capable of. At this point I'm going to vote for anyone who wants to take you out as you're blatantly lying. Yeah I was just fishing ^^. On May 22 2010 21:18 DarthThienAn wrote:
To be honest, the situation concerning me is irrelevant. We need people to nameclaim and see where the contradictions come up. I don't know the first thing about the Three Kingdoms except what I've been reading on Wikipedia. So the whole "first five general that comes to your head", well I guess that's true. Stumbled upon the article and figured, Caller already had a couple, why not one more =D.
I already explained my reasoning as to why I did what I did. I took Caller's "trolling is encouraged" to heart, first of all, but then decided I wanted to get more information for the town. I intentionally name and roleclaimed ahead of time to Radfield, then BB, so that when the time came, they could clear my name. Since this will say nothing about my role (I don't think), I'll claim for real this time:
I am Zhou Jie Lun + Xiao Yu at the same time o.o o.o
I'm Zhou Yu. I look really good and I'm great at music. And I'm really jealous of Radfield and am destined to die. Says Wikipedia anyway. They both did have better posts about Ma Chao...Anyway... I dunno whom to believe...probably more so Fishball said he might quit earlier...MyHeroNoob hasn't really been posting...Whole things wild. We'll deal with it after this Night cycle. I actually don't care if there are two dual claims right now, let's just focus on our task one by one. Also, just for the record, I never said I'd flat out quit. I said I'll be willing to give up my spot for a more enthusiastic player if need be. Nah, you guys can deal with it during the night because I should be daykilled, which opens all the vig power and anti-YT power to be used on people who have double claimed.
I meant right after you're lynched. It is Night now, no?
Oh, seems like I used wrong term and should have said Day.
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