EPTOn May 19 2010 14:30 Caller wrote:
posting ur role pm is a bad idea by which i mean its bannable
just so you know ^_^
posting ur role pm is a bad idea by which i mean its bannable
just so you know ^_^
I GET IT ALREADY OK JEEZ
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BrownBear
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I GET IT ALREADY OK JEEZ | ||
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Also, lol at everyone who thinks I'm the YT leader. | ||
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On May 20 2010 03:04 Hesmyrr wrote: Okay, if you insist, let me put it in neutral perspective then. First since there are three recruiters vs one YT recruiter, neutral's chance of becoming YT are much lower than possibility of becoming other faction. If YT manages to grow unabated, it effectively means that everyone not belonging to YT is literally screwed. This demands two strategy: 1) eliminate YT which is likely to become your enemy, or 2) beg for YT to recruit you. This is up to personal choice, but I don't know, I find first idea rather better than second idea. Second YT recruiter is different from normal recruiter in one thing; they can get killed from choosing faction leader, while other three faction does not have to worry about such things. Third Something happened, and YT leader is out. With him revealed chance of his victory decreases dramatically- wow, playing as neutral, it's time to change alliance! Oh wait, you are stuck. Too bad. Even when you are aiming for faction fight, this demonstrates YT is horrible for your individual survival. And if we are going to play as Town, well, getting rid of strongest cult is obv. This. Sure, if YT reaches a certain point, they are pretty much guaranteed victory, but playing the odds of YT actually reaching that point is a terrible idea for individual players. You have a very small chance of being on the YT team if they reach that point, and if you get recruited and they get targeted and found out, you are screwed, no way around it. | ||
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On May 20 2010 03:30 Fishball wrote: It's my fault for reading the game rules so late so I nobody but myself to blame. If anyone wants to take my spot in this game, I would gladly give up my spot. Wait, why are you bouncing? I don't understand. | ||
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Of course, it's Caller, so he could have just changed his mind, but that makes the most sense to me. | ||
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On May 19 2010 12:16 Caller wrote: Day ends in 18 hours Well, he's only got about 2 hours to clear his name, if my math is correct. So we will see soon. | ||
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On May 20 2010 05:11 Caller wrote: i already made one -_- http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=114591 Oh my god someone please remake that. That's amazing. | ||
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On May 20 2010 05:18 L wrote: Brownbear, by contrast reacted a bit too emotionally to being called out as the YT leader so it probably isn't him. He might be a grunt if they start with grunts. Given that it makes sense Could you finish that sentence please? I'm not about to attack you, I'm just actually curious what you were gonna say. | ||
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On May 20 2010 05:28 L wrote: Well, i actually saw that too after I re-read the post, but its kinda complete as it is. "given that, it makes sense." To elaborate, it would make sense that someone would laugh that they've been caught as being, say, the godfather, if they're actually just a grunt. Since the pin IS false and they can see the absurdities behind the argumentation, they're more likely to rage or laugh it off like most people do. Generally speaking, when accused people laugh the issue off if they're innocent, but we've had a rash of townies being really dumb and getting really angry instead of trying to clear themselves off what they obviously know is shitty logic. Given that mafia are put into a position of introspection and self-censoring, they're kinda a bit slower to jump to either option because of how thread mechanics work. In short, its much harder for an accurately pinned person to fake an emotional defense because instead of being an emotional reaction, it becomes a calculated play. But yeah, if the YT do have a leader format, so far I'd say you aren't him. Fair enough as far as your logic goes. I'm neutral (for now), and I'm still pretty convinced that the YTs operate pretty much the same as the other factions, albeit with some extra rules. I'm betting the YTs actually have a leader because if they did not, it would be a travesty. Assume that the YTs don't have a leader, and that there are three of them. Person A and B want to recruit someone, say, Bill Murray, and Person C wants to recruit Fishball. Normally, Person A and B would just send off one PM to Caller saying "Yo, the Yellow Turbans are recruiting BM tonight, kthxbye" and all would be good. Person C, however, is a dick, and doesn't want to accept that he lost the vote. So Person C decides to be a dick and just PM Caller before Person A or B does, saying "Yo Caller, we're recruiting Fishball tonight." I'm assuming Caller doesn't want his inbox cluttered up by all the Yellow Turbans voting, and doesn't want to have to tally up the votes, so he will probably just go by the first person who votes. Thus, if Person C beats out Person A and B, then the Yellow Turbans will recruit Fishball instead of Bill Murray, despite Bill Murray winning the majority vote within the YTs themselves. This, quite frankly, is a stupid way of setting up a faction. Note, however, that I have never played as a Mafia character in any other Mafia game, so I'm not sure how the voting works for that: I'm just going off the voting structure of a similar-style game played on another forum (with werewolves instead of mafia, but you get the idea), where the host took the first PM in at night to be the nightkill, so teams could get easily derailed by one person being a dick. For that game, it wasn't really a big issue, since one person hijacking the pick just meant that another random player got killed, and a KP wasn't wasted. In this format, however, there is actually a penalty (a very serious one at that) for picking the wrong person, so one idiot could actively mean the death of an entire team. It is for this reason that I think one of the two following scenarios is more likely: 1) YTs operate as a team, but they all send in nightvotes and Caller tallies them up. This is very unlikely for the following reasons: This would clutter the crap out of Caller's inbox, and he probably doesn't want to deal with that shit, and also, he has said in this thread that teams can choose whether they want to notify new recruits that they have been recruited or not. Obviously, YTs would most likely want to notify their new recruits, but in the case they choose not to, for whatever reason, that would leave one Yellow Turban completely out of the loop, so he wouldn't be able to vote. That would be silly. 2) Given the problems with the above scenario, this is the far more likely one: The Yellow Turbans have a leader, who acts as all other leaders, and has the final say in recruitment. So, from what I see, it looks like the Yellow Turbans should be the same as any other faction, just with the added danger of all getting murdered, and the ability to grow very strong very quickly. | ||
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On May 20 2010 06:36 L wrote: You basically wrote a huge post to tell us that a situation directly analogous to a normal mafia team is a stupid way to set up a team and is thus impossible. Given that we have 20+ games consisting of people playing under the exact same conditions, it stands to reason that you might be a tad wrong with your reasoning. Is your conclusion wrong? I dunno. Your reasoning, however, is. Mafia teams typically send in 1 hit list, and if multiple people send in a list, the person who sends it last is assumed to have the proper list. The team will generally bitch if someone sends in a random list, so typically the team will get together in IRC or in pms and come up with a consensus list. Alternatively they'll pick someone and let him pick. In the last instance, the rest of the team AFKs and someone, mostly L, gets annoyed and picks people who would be hilarious and puts that into a PM which is filled with jokes and comedy. Hence the reason I said, in that very same post "hey, I've never played on a mafia team here before, but based on my past experience on a different forum this sounds like it could be silly. Now I am educated! | ||
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 I'll be back on at around 9:30 EST, roughly, so I guess I'll see the aftermath then. Peace. | ||
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Also, seriously LR, if you're gonna be a faction leader, play. It makes the game that much better for the rest of us. | ||
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Tomorrow, 3 of us will suddenly be no longer working with the group as a whole. Who will those 3 be? | ||
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On May 20 2010 11:31 Bill Murray wrote: this game is pm-able? i have received pms from players. this is the 3rd reference i've made to this, and noone has said anything. i'm assuming i can pm. As far as I know PMs are allowed. Caller hasn't said one way or the other, but I was under the impression that PMs are allowed unless otherwise specified. | ||
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Also, MyHeroNoob, really useful post there. Glad to see you're staying active and contributing so much to this game. >< | ||
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We do not let any person win the day vote more than once. My reasoning is this: If we start going back to the same person over and over to vote for us, then it would stand to reason that some faction leader would notice and decide to recruit that one person. Now, we're giving our armies to one person, but they aren't working for the neutrals anymore, they're working for a faction. If we keep picking different people to choose they daykill, then we have a much better chance of actually having the daykill be in neutral hands, and not in the hands of a faction. Also, can I get a rules clarification in the house? Say that 3 factions are killed off early, and there's only one faction (Green) left, but there are more neutrals than Greens. Does the game end at that point, as Green outnumbers the other (dead) factions, or do the neutrals count as a faction, so it turns into regular mafia, where the neutrals try to figure out the greens, and the greens recruit the neutrals? Also, if a non-YT faction leader is killed, what happens to his recruits? Do they die too, or do they revert to neutral? | ||
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What about my strategery idea? Does it sound good to everyone playing? | ||
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