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On May 22 2010 03:44 Hesmyrr wrote:
I am Lu Xun. I can protect one person from night actions from every night. I asked Caller, and he said my protection overrides everything, including recruitment/NK/investigation etc. I said encryption codes to ~Opz~ day 1 so you can feel pretty confident in my roleclaim (I did leave out NK bit, but we traded names and I was afraid Lu Bu was serial killer. Tricode did fix himself to being an DT so I suppose it won't matter). I am obviously speaking up because I protected L last night, and thus know what Tricode is saying cannot be true. It is likely that he is Yellow Turban and is trying to waste today's kill. Either way it is clear to me neither of these two cannot be Yellow Turban leader.
This is why I propose an alternative plan; Tracker contacted me via PM and stated Radfield was visited by Xelin. He is kind of lurkish and kind of off everyone's radar, but I believe we have better chance of hitting faction leader by targetting Xelin instead of either Tricode or L. This is my plan: we pick one Townie other than me, L, or Tricode, and tell him to NK Xelin. At the upcoming night we can clarify this Tricode-L situation by having Abenson target Tricode- this will definiely prove he is YT. If Tricode does not die, then I'll accept he is genuine in his claim and I fucked up somewhere (lol Caller), and just lynch him day 3.
Does the person you protected know he was protected?
If it nullifies abilities wouldn't a NK not be informed to L? (ie how would he know he was hit)
Basically from the way you said your ability, and from the understanding of how it seems to work (via talk in thread) L shouldn't have known someone tried to hit him (we still need that vig to step up as the only vig to do so far is a YT killer) to say he hit L, and a dt check that shouldn't have worked.
This means that potentially, potentially 4 people are bullshiting
L
Tricode
Hesmyrr
Abenson
Seriously guys?
It seems unlikely that given the amount of people who have supposedly visited L last night for caller to fuck up how the roles work.
So would another vig claim to someone that he hit L (that isn't abenson), and would hesmyrr clarify if his role blocks everything and that the user of the abilities blocked receieves notification of its failure, of it the intended victim recieves notification of it.
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On May 22 2010 04:03 Hesmyrr wrote:
My protection nullifies ALL night actions including the hit. The PM I sent to ~Opz~ excludes the NK protection part because he told me he was Lu Bu, and was afraid telling I am doctor to potential SK would be stupidity. My role PM states that no one gets notification, me and the protected.
Based on this
L is lying about taking a hit (as he wouldn't have known unless they claimed to him)
Tricode is lying (because he would not have been given any info)
Your lying about your ability
Caller fucked up how your ability works
Abenson isn't confirmed.
So, either caller fucked up, or we have 4 people in a giant cluster fuck of everyone bullshitting.
Just wtf.
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On May 22 2010 04:21 L wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2010 04:09 Hesmyrr wrote:
I didn't message him. I think L is bullshitting on that part. L is not bullshitting on that part. Its the medic's call if he wants to come out, but if your ability does negate night hits, it might explain why I'm not dead after 2 vig hits. That said, I don't think that's possible, because I have a PM in my inbox from caller stating that I took a hit and got saved, a vig messaged me rather quickly thereafter, then brownbear, who is not the vig also claimed that he hit me. So yeah, medic, if you want to reveal yourself, its your call. I can see why you might want to wait until night to do it, to see if XeliN flips as a leader or not, but its your call.
This means that hesmyrr is lying about his ability.
Or caller is retarded.
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I should also stress, if caller fucked up hesmyrrs power use in relation to medics and vigi's then chances are he would have fucked up a dt use.
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On May 22 2010 04:26 L wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2010 04:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 22 2010 04:03 Hesmyrr wrote:
My protection nullifies ALL night actions including the hit. The PM I sent to ~Opz~ excludes the NK protection part because he told me he was Lu Bu, and was afraid telling I am doctor to potential SK would be stupidity. My role PM states that no one gets notification, me and the protected. Based on this L is lying about taking a hit (as he wouldn't have known unless they claimed to him) Tricode is lying (because he would not have been given any info) Your lying about your ability Caller fucked up how your ability works Abenson isn't confirmed. So, either caller fucked up, or we have 4 people in a giant cluster fuck of everyone bullshitting. Just wtf. The Vig notified me that he hit me. The medic claimed to me that he stopped it. Both happened prior to my first post after day broke (i came back to like 4 pms in my inbox) Then brownbear claimed he hit me too, which is why I KNOW someone is lying. Tricode, similarly, has to be lying because he flat out got my role wrong. Caller did pm me, and its possible that he fucked up, but I dunno. Maybe Hesmyrr didn't read his role properly or something. So yeah, at least 2 people are lying, maybe more. Either way, party at L's place.
So true. Still, theres alot of fucked upness going on via caller or people lying of roles. YAY.
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On May 22 2010 09:55 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2010 09:01 Radfield wrote:
OK, people who haven't name claimed:
3. johnnyspazz
**SCAMP HAS NAMECLAIMED**
6. Ohn
8. Iaaan
10. BloodyCobbler (his absence from all of this is actually kinda confusing)
11. MyHeroNoob
20. Fishball (as is his)
24. Jugan
BrownBear's additions:
Thoughts?
I have a friend in town till next thursday and I picked her up yesterday afternoon. :p I am insanely inactive mainly because of this. Besides, half of whats being discussed is retarded.
Anyway, I am Huang Gai
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On May 25 2010 07:56 johnnyspazz wrote:so bc is YT leader?
No I am not, but it would be nice to be cleared off the list of YT's
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On May 25 2010 09:27 Radfield wrote:
EBWOP: Bah, BC could still be YT, just not the leader... nevermind
Feel free to send abenson at me then, it will confirm that I am not actually a YT, or at least, not an informed one.
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On May 25 2010 09:24 Radfield wrote:
Caller, if we kill the YT leader, do all the YT members die just like the other factions? I realize you might not answer, but it's worth a shot.
They should if he did it once before.
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On May 27 2010 09:35 LunarDestiny wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2010 09:39 flamewheel91 wrote:
I still, still have no idea whats going on.
Did Caller messed up again. I thought I went for Bill Murray.
You did, and caller didn't kill him, but instead killed spazz.
Other note, was spazz a random neutral or was he YT?
with both YT's and neutrals being done in bolded black it gets confusing.
If, spazz was YT it means all 3 are accounted for (provided game started with just YT leader), otherwise there is at least one YT not dead.
If so, could caller confirm that?
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You are Huang Gai, Every night you may challenge someone to a duel. If you win two duels in a row, you gain an extra night life. If you lose the duel, you die, regardless of however many lives you have.
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On May 27 2010 10:40 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 10:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
You are Huang Gai, Every night you may challenge someone to a duel. If you win two duels in a row, you gain an extra night life. If you lose the duel, you die, regardless of however many lives you have.
If you're telling the truth, then thats a wild and crazy role. What IS a duel? How do you win? How do you lose? Does the person you challenge die if they lose? Who have you visited so far and what happened?
Duel is just that, I challenge someone.
To date, I have challenged Jugan (who died last night), and L.
From what caller has told me, provided the player I challenge isn't killed at night, I win the duel. If they die, the duel doesn't finish, and to lose requires someone having a night role that kills visitors to defeat me.
I have no idea if the player is informed of my action, but as they aren't affected by it, I would guess not.
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On May 27 2010 10:47 LunarDestiny wrote:
BUT Jugan is FUCKING ZHANG FEI. Huang Gai is shit against ZHANG FEI who went head to head against LU BU.
and I didn't believe his claim? regardless, he died so the fight ended in a draw.
On May 27 2010 10:47 DarthThienAn wrote:
Question to everyone:
How did barth die night 1?
Brownbear didn't do it, which means we have another vigilante or something. It wasn't Radfield's random power either because he got YT killer and got roleblocked anyway. So what happened there? Second vig, please RC if you are alive.
BC, do you know what Jugan's role was?
No, my role doesn't let me know who people are, just lets me duel them.
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Prob BM, I have had company over for the last 7 days so haven't talked to anyone really this game as I have been out playing tourist in the city.
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On May 27 2010 12:21 Caller wrote:
k its official
faction leaders officially suck ass
I am pretty sure the fact that no recruit actually had to help their leader, and could actively use their abilities against them + vocally speak up in game if you let them know they were recruited made it hard. Neutrals had absolutely no reason to help leaders, at all. The moment you said neutrals could win (you made a 5th faction) it went from 1v1v1v1 to 1v1v1v1v20. :p you could have predicted this well before hand.
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On May 27 2010 19:03 Radfield wrote:
I'd like to hope that BC's choice to concede had something to do with the PM I sent him:
Sorry to say, I'm going to NK you tonight unless you can somehow prove you're not a leader. I know you have a night action. Either you are the watcher, and can prove it by giving me Hesmyrr's code. Or you have a night action that you can hopefully prove some other way.
Otherwise you have to go. Can't have inactive people with night actions running around, surely you see that.
He was the most obvious person to be a leader still in the game. However, I do agree with him that the leaders were kind of fucked once people started playing for a neutral victory. I suppose there needed to be something in the rules about not deliberately playing against your faction.
Anyways, Darth, Brownbear and I had a great time trying to co-ordinate the town actions behind the scenes. Super fun. Good Game all.
actually not.
I was immune to death till fishball died. It was callers confirmation that anyone I recruited could use their powers on me that made me and fishball concede. It meant that no matter what I did at the end meant i'd lose.
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On May 28 2010 04:58 DarthThienAn wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2010 03:40 Fishball wrote:On May 27 2010 21:52 Hesmyrr wrote:
I think it was all about charisma and public conception; I still recall how most people were skeptical of my plan until Lost Romantic and L was caught consecutively. If that had not happened I don't think enough people would have got behind the plan for neutral victory to work. Honestly most people came into this game expecting faction fight, so turning people against it initially was the hardest task- which is why I over-villainized faction leaders day 1 immediately after Caller threw out some fuel to work with. After THAT post no one was going to openly support the idea of faction fight (even neutrals since their primary goal is to survive, which is not going against town's consensus naturally does. And no leader would have recruited the neutral who planted target on himself.) I would have immediately taken the risk, reveal myself to the first recruit (mouthpiece was necessary to organize future recruits after all) and appease him/her as best as I can lol.
Yellow Turban, because its members could not be recruited, was closest to the actual cult and could have been very powerful had not Trezquet23 drew so much suspicion to himself. If you knew you were going to get checked I would definitely have sent him PM in advance that I was recruiting him. 'Appease' is key word here- when idea of neutral victory got dominant the power balance between recruiter and neutrals got reversed. There seem to be plenty of opinions who said this was not the game was meant to be played so if you were nice about it, I think people would have been acceptable. Hell, L even said "lol your plan sucks b/c this" and I still tried my hardest to save him before giving up for moral victory. I am especially curious after knowing Fishball's ability why he gave up- Fishball was seen as pro-town by day 2~3, so if he worked to keep people away from suspecting his true ability, BC could potentially have lived just enough to make it.
My theorycraft best plan for the what leaders should have done
1) Have the recruited members contact me or L. Set up an alliance whose conduit will be recruited members so that faction leaders identity can necessarily be kept secret. I had idea about using anonymous quickboard.
2) Role-claim wisely. I did it several times as Mafia and it isn't that hard -_- Almost all leaders got caught because of that. Fishball also needed to fake-role/nameclaim so BC's strength became that much stronger.
3) BC publicly claims himself as faction leader, or deliberately give off an "scumslip". Use all three faction members to spread ideas that BC must be lynched.
BC survives. 3 people recruited night 2, L is protected (by me) and BC is immune. You really think 4 different leaders would agree on this  ? Even if they do, the "recruited members" might not even listen to the leaders. Hell they could even reveal X/Y/Z is the leader to the public. As for role claiming, that was pretty bad. BC's role claim wasn't exactly what I told him to say and I was face palm all over when I saw it. He literally said it doesn't matter as he can't die if I was still alive, and could literally stand out and claim leader. On the other hand, I was pushing for the concede while waiting for Caller's reply, so yeah. Also keep in mind, role claiming in Mafia and role claiming in this game is totally different. If you don't have good knowledge about Three Kingdoms, the characters names and their role abilities you claim might not make sense to those who actually know about the history. I doubt most of you could come up with a Meng Huo role, (which actually existed in game). I mean small things like L's Sun Ren name claim, and Trez's Cao Pi ability claim, makes zero sense. I think you guys could have won.. all you to do was recruit me and/or BrownBear, and then Radfield and tell us. I would have switched loyalty immediately - dunno about BrownBear - and could easily have said, "oh Fishball is neutral". It might have been tough if Falcynn came back and started being active and watched the right people. You had to get BrownBear after me though for the KP - he might have been a sacrificial lamb at some point, but there was no way you would get him with a day lynch, until you guys were dominating. If you didn't recruit me or BB that night it would have been a toss-up, because, if the town agreed to kill BC and check you (Fishball), then BB and I were planning or switching anyway lol. So BC would have been dead the next day.
If they figured me out as leader, xelin could just roleblock me nightly preventing me from recruiting people. Since no one had to be loyal to who recruited them, didn't matter. For shu to win required like, 6 more game days. Chances of living that long, or recruiting perfectly, or not getting screwed by my own recruits was next to impossible.
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