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citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
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Last Edited: 2010-05-11 17:20:52
May 11 2010 17:18 GMT
#1115
On May 12 2010 01:40 Qatol wrote:
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On May 11 2010 20:21 citi.zen wrote:
On May 11 2010 16:09 Qatol wrote:
On May 11 2010 15:02 citi.zen wrote:
On May 11 2010 14:52 Qatol wrote:
On May 11 2010 14:44 citi.zen wrote:
As I mentioned in the actual game, I spent a great deal of time deciding between who to kill at night. citizen hadn't claimed a role so I was paranoid he might be a veteran/bulletproof, so I decided against hitting him. Even if I had hit him, Qatol said he had a nice analysis of me, and I figure I'd have a better shot with citizen who wasn't about to post some big analysis of me.

Yup, I did not roleclaim precisely because I though ambiguity would keep the mafia guessing a bit longer.

In truth, I was an idiot and never submitted any picks to Ace. I didn't read the rules, instead assuming everyone got a role and I'd just get what's left from the role list.

On May 11 2010 13:47 Qatol wrote:
Either way, it was fun. I probably won't play again for a while (defending myself for that long was just exhausting and totally sapped my will to play - that post to citi.zen about being pissed off was 100% serious) but it will fun to see a few of the players from this game develop. There were a few players who played very well.

Interesting things happen when you put pressure on people: some make mistakes, others are very eager to take sides, etc. In general lively conversation is good, and I've never been afraid to stir things up a bit. Your plans always seemed like a mix of genius with something evil, so figured I'd start with you!

And Radfield - good job man. Up to that medic protection claim you did better than anyone.

Yeah but there is a point where pretty much anyone will slip up at least a little. You were nitpicking pretty small stuff for literally days on end. I was playing as much pro-town as I possibly could and you were still finding little things to yell at me about. I agree that conversations are a good thing, but I didn't like your method for provoking it very much. I agree that there were totally loopholes in my plans that I could have been exploiting (like if I were mafia, the numbers theory could have been used to help the mafia instead of hurting them), but I put myself into the spotlight far too readily and I'd like to think I didn't really break down too much. After a while, you are just derailing the thread.

Agreed - when you are offering a lot it's impossible not to slip here and there. Then again, with good players, these are exactly the sort of things you need to watch out for. You, Ace, Incognito, must always seem pro-town, even if you are red - you chose the way of the Jedi. Someone like L or Caller use the dark side of the force and play a different style altogether - a dose of nonsense is par for the course.

On my side though, a big problem this time around was that I did not have enough time to carefully build my arguments / think the big picture through, so I can see how it was frustrating arguing with me. Sorry for that.

Oh speaking of which, what style exactly did you think was Qatol-like? You kept accusing me of not acting like myself. (Btw, that is the hardest accusation in the WORLD to refute. How do you prove that you are playing like yourself?)

I just meant that I did not expect you to make what I thought were a good deal of mistakes. Starting with openly telling people what roles to choose. Perhaps these were not mistakes in your view, but to me they were not exactly pro-town moves either. Ace, L and others seem to agree. The invention conversations were another issue. It just seemed like you were trying to control the flow of the game but doing so in a way which could be consistent with what the mafia wanted. So the "style" comment was mostly about consistency and what I thought were mistakes.

I see. Btw people are a bit more split on the controlling the first few roles than you might think. Incognito is telling me that he would have done what I did too. The only role I definitely shouldn't have done anything about was telling Scamp to take medic. That was a mistake. I still think that if we hadn't controlled CompVig the way we did, it would have come back to bite us, especially since the mafia got it. Regardless, I guess I can see what you were trying to say.

Yes, I can see view as well.

As mentioned before, a big part of it is not just how you played but what I expected. It's the reputation burden of being a good, rational player - any slip-up will be analyzed much more closely. A good example of is micro mafia 1 - where I was convinced Ace was red for a relatively small divergence of opinion. Had that been Bill Murray I would not have thought twice about it. It's certainly a double standard - fairly or not.
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citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-11 17:20:39
May 11 2010 17:20 GMT
#1116
Err... why does this keep happening when I try to edit my posts..
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citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
May 11 2010 19:18 GMT
#1118
I thought Foolishness had the attitude too - e.g. the whaa outsmarted post.
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citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-11 21:56:25
May 11 2010 21:50 GMT
#1120
A quick answer from me: zona and foolish were reds knowing you were pro-town and... doing what reds do; bill doesn't count - he was just trying to act all "vet" and forgetting we all know him. The first issue is common (and sometimes compounded by over-zelous townies - hai!). Look at me playing in Ace's world war game - where all the reds tried to do was annoy me and make me look crazy, while caller somehow got everyone to believe literally ANYTHING. Same scenario in micro mafia 1. Personally I know I still have to improve in this area. It's... soft skills, if you will.

In this game you did quite well dealing with this I thought. Patience is the key.
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