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I am considering hosting a smaller game if anyone is interested. | ||
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On April 13 2010 13:05 Jugan wrote: I'd like to sign up. I'll be active  uh oh showtime p.s. i don't mean showtime | ||
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I would also be much more apt to consolidate my posts if I could use the edit function. I think of things to type a few minutes after I have typed the last thing. I'll try to not spam "worthless one liners" that I know you love in an endearing fashion and hold closely to your heart | ||
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here's what we're going to do: The first half of the list is required to assassinate the 2nd half of the list. The list will be inverted the next day so everyone will get their turn to kill someone if they are an assassin. They won't want to be using their kills up every single night anyways, as they can use a Detective Check on the alternate night. I will be cutting the game list into a 1/2 order. 1s are killers, 2s are killees. It will switch the next night. If you are a killer or a killee, don't complain. In all likelihood you won't have to kill or be killed, as we are not sure how many assassins there are. If the mafia kill a killee in the night, we skip a lynch to balance it (hypothetically), but if they kill a killer then we will lynch the killee of the person that they killed the killer of. I hope this is making sense to you. If anyone has any questions about the Bill Murray plan of town success let me know. This plan will help the town as it will be putting mafia players in vulnerable "killee" positions in which they would potentially lynch the "killer". We use the assassins to win as a town. They COUNT as town people, so assassins will want the town to win. It will also be giving them chances to win the game for theirselves through killing other assassins and finding assassins that they can kill at any time during the night that we aren't asking them to kill for us. If they find an assassin, they can breadcrumb a message to us previously or something to let us know BEFORE they do the action that they will be killing an alternate person (this will guarantee that they stay town as we let them go towards their goal while we go towards our goal together). I don't want assassins to claim at first, but it will become obvious after the first 2 cycles on who they are anyways, so we can be a lot more organized after the first couple day/night cycles. On April 14 2010 04:28 Qatol wrote: Thanks so much for doing this! Can't devote enough time to play seriously = sitting it out. So nice to see. You yourself are around the thread enough, while not even playing in it, to actually play more competently than most of the people who play. Furthermore, in the small amount of what you devote, due to the time it takes you being disproportionate in relation to the time required of others to build cases taking into acount the discrepancy in skill level, you really should play. you could still be among the best players even when devoting less time. On April 14 2010 05:04 Foolishness wrote: If one of the assassins wins (i.e. all but one assassin are dead) does the game end? Or does it keep playing out until one of mafia/town win? I hope the latter. On April 14 2010 04:50 Jugan wrote: instead of a picture of lightning you should have a picture of a goat. african or european? i promise consolidation if you let me edit | ||
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knights templar ?! | ||
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how do you feel about that hobbes | ||
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*thumbs up* If anyone wants to play some BW, pm me. I'm a little worse than C level probably. I've hit C before. | ||
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On April 16 2010 08:18 d3_crescentia wrote: Bill I'm worried that your blogs don't really have all that much substance to them besides containing the OP of this thread... then go do one with more substance... excuse me for taking 5 minutes to try to get a bigger community | ||
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they don't really care about blogs as much as they used to | ||
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our blogs and threads have caused plexa to chastise those who are pming him from in the sports and games mafia thread :p that also means we should have an influx of new signups soon | ||
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Also, when is Zona's space monkey mafia? | ||
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That's my advice. | ||
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On April 14 2010 05:13 Bill Murray wrote: everyone is an assassin here's what we're going to do: The first half of the list is required to assassinate the 2nd half of the list. The list will be inverted the next day so everyone will get their turn to kill someone if they are an assassin. They won't want to be using their kills up every single night anyways, as they can use a Detective Check on the alternate night. I will be cutting the game list into a 1/2 order. 1s are killers, 2s are killees. It will switch the next night. If you are a killer or a killee, don't complain. In all likelihood you won't have to kill or be killed, as we are not sure how many assassins there are. If the mafia kill a killee in the night, we skip a lynch to balance it (hypothetically), but if they kill a killer then we will lynch the killee of the person that they killed the killer of. I hope this is making sense to you. If anyone has any questions about the Bill Murray plan of town success let me know. This plan will help the town as it will be putting mafia players in vulnerable "killee" positions in which they would potentially lynch the "killer". We use the assassins to win as a town. They COUNT as town people, so assassins will want the town to win. It will also be giving them chances to win the game for theirselves through killing other assassins and finding assassins that they can kill at any time during the night that we aren't asking them to kill for us. If they find an assassin, they can breadcrumb a message to us previously or something to let us know BEFORE they do the action that they will be killing an alternate person (this will guarantee that they stay town as we let them go towards their goal while we go towards our goal together). I don't want assassins to claim at first, but it will become obvious after the first 2 cycles on who they are anyways, so we can be a lot more organized after the first couple day/night cycles. You yourself are around the thread enough, while not even playing in it, to actually play more competently than most of the people who play. Furthermore, in the small amount of what you devote, due to the time it takes you being disproportionate in relation to the time required of others to build cases taking into acount the discrepancy in skill level, you really should play. you could still be among the best players even when devoting less time. I hope the latter. african or european? i promise consolidation if you let me edit | ||
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Good points from this: 1) we learn who the assassins are 2) assassins have an equal chance of killing other assassins 3) we will be able to see people who are unable to kill each other This is the same approach that was attempted to be taken in Caller's last Mafiya. It was a very good strategy, and should have been followed. I feel that BC is probably town, but I'm getting serious scummy vibes from Zona. He's trying to derail the town, and is more than likely scum. | ||
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First of all, if someone is an assassin, they aren't going to claim assassin. That's just setting a big target on their backs so that the other assassins can kill them. I hadn't thought about the repercussions of being assassin in this system, but as you are thinking about being an assassin, perhaps you are one? | ||
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This would provide a roullette style system that would greatly put pressure on 2 people at a time. In a game this size, we need to have some semblance of order so that we don't slip into the chaos of Caller's game that cause a mafia victory | ||
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Assassin: 1. Zona 2. CynanMachae 3. tree.hugger 4. d3_crescentia 5. KF91 6. iNfuNdiBuLuM 7. RebirthOfLegend 8. BloodyC0bbler 9. Jugan 10. Scaramanga 11. Bill Murray 12. Fishball 13. RaGe 14. Foolishness 15. Scamp 16. Abenson 17. Ace 18. Caller 19. [NyC]HoBbes Assassinated: 20. meeple 21. Fulgrim 22. JadeFist 23. Roffles 24. krndandaman 25. Falcynn 26. nbtnbt5 27. IntoTheWow 28. Elemenope 29. love1another 30. AcrossFiveJulys 31. nAi.PrOtOsS 32. DarthThienAn 33. Radfield 34. TheLardyGooser 35. Osmoses 36. jpak 37. motbob 38. madnessman Would it be better for the town if we had everyone on the top list kill everyone on the bottom list tonight, or doing it one night at a time? The more I think about it, the more I don't feel like we need the top half to kill their counterpart at the bottom half. From Zona killing Meeple to Hobbes killing madnessman. The result would still be chaotic. We need a refined system where people are scrutinized under the collective eye of the town. | ||
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Assassin: 20. (DEAD POSSIBLY)meeple 21. Fulgrim 22. JadeFist 23. Roffles 24. krndandaman 25. Falcynn 26. nbtnbt5 27. IntoTheWow 28. Elemenope 29. love1another 30. AcrossFiveJulys 31. nAi.PrOtOsS 32. DarthThienAn 33. Radfield 34. TheLardyGooser 35. Osmoses 36. jpak 37. motbob 38. madnessman Assassinated: 1. Zona 2. CynanMachae 3. tree.hugger 4. d3_crescentia 5. KF91 6. iNfuNdiBuLuM 7. RebirthOfLegend 8. BloodyC0bbler 9. Jugan 10. Scaramanga 11. Bill Murray 12. Fishball 13. RaGe 14. Foolishness 15. Scamp 16. Abenson 17. Ace 18. Caller 19. [NyC]HoBbes | ||
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On April 18 2010 11:08 Jugan wrote: i say we lynch the KF91 guy. he's annoying. i always feel like he's red too, he feels ridiculously scummy to me. | ||
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On April 18 2010 11:21 krndandaman wrote: Bill Murray become our president? No, I am the representative of L the owner of all the casinos in Liq Vegas :p | ||
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On April 18 2010 11:41 motbob wrote: To clarify, I would kill a random target instead of killing my assigned target. then we lynch you i definitely want to lynch all liars | ||
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Wait, no, I'll tell you why meeple won't be able to have zona's scummer blanket taken off his eyes... because he is a terrible player. | ||
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On April 18 2010 11:57 motbob wrote: I think I'm losing confidence in your plan by the minute. Go read my original post. I'll quote it for you. | ||
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The first half of the list is required to assassinate the 2nd half of the list. The list will be inverted the next day so everyone will get their turn to kill someone if they are an assassin. They won't want to be using their kills up every single night anyways, as they can use a Detective Check on the alternate night. I will be cutting the game list into a 1/2 order. 1s are killers, 2s are killees. It will switch the next night. If you are a killer or a killee, don't complain. In all likelihood you won't have to kill or be killed, as we are not sure how many assassins there are. If the mafia kill a killee in the night, we skip a lynch to balance it (hypothetically), but if they kill a killer then we will lynch the killee of the person that they killed the killer of. I hope this is making sense to you. If anyone has any questions about the Bill Murray plan of town success let me know. This plan will help the town as it will be putting mafia players in vulnerable "killee" positions in which they would potentially lynch the "killer". We use the assassins to win as a town. They COUNT as town people, so assassins will want the town to win. It will also be giving them chances to win the game for theirselves through killing other assassins and finding assassins that they can kill at any time during the night that we aren't asking them to kill for us. If they find an assassin, they can breadcrumb a message to us previously or something to let us know BEFORE they do the action that they will be killing an alternate person (this will guarantee that they stay town as we let them go towards their goal while we go towards our goal together). I don't want assassins to claim at first, but it will become obvious after the first 2 cycles on who they are anyways, so we can be a lot more organized after the first couple day/night cycles. | ||
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On April 18 2010 15:00 flamewheel91 wrote: Be more respectful. ESPECIALLY to Qatol. This is a warning. Bill: CONSOLIDATE. let me edit! | ||
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is that why i'm always in gryffindor and i havent been in slytherin in about ten games that ive played? | ||
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On April 18 2010 05:25 Zona wrote: A message to assassins: Although your goal in this game is to eliminate your fellow assassins, for all other aspects of the game, you should start off playing pro-town (at least until the town has an overwhelming advantage). It is in your own self-interest to do so. Why? It's in YOUR OWN SELF INTEREST to prolong the game as long as possible. And at least initially, it looks to me that mafia has the numbers advantage, if you as assassins are ignored. Why? First of all, notice the odds. Likely 5-7 mislynches allowed for 8 successful lynches. It's not easy for the town to go >50% success in lynching, so if we don't do well here, it's likely mafia will win early, reducing the amount of time you have to reach your own personal goal. So helping the town with your votes helps you prolong the game and increase your OWN PERSONAL CHANCES OF WINNING. Also - HOLD YOUR KILL unless you are sure your target is another assassin. Why? First, you only have 2 chances to screw up - so if you use your kill casually you could waste your killing abilities and be left impotent and relying on the chance that others will somehow kill your opponents for you. FURTHERMORE - EACH OF YOUR SCREWED UP KILLS HELPS EITHER THE TOWN OR MAFIA TOWARDS WINNING, and reduces the amount of time you have to win yourself. So don't deprive yourself of time by killing casually. Only in desperate times (when one of mafia or town are visibly dominating) will you have to employ your kill to try to balance the numbers so that the winning side won't immediately win and end the game for you as well. A random lynch > A no lynch so either you don't know that, Zona, or you are scum, and I'm pretty sure that you're smart enough to know that the town does well in the situation where random kills go through... it's proven statistically to benefit the town. You doing this = you are scum. since your bombs don't activate until you die, go ahead and place some bombs early - but try not to get killed early either! If you're going to die early you might as well hold back on your bombs, as they will then act as early-game vigilante hits. Now that's two instances in which Zona has already had anti-town actions attributed to his name. For all of you newer players, I will explain to you why he has been scummy in his assertions. He is, in the cases of Mad Hatters holding their bombs, and in the case of Assassins not lynching, trying to take away from our chances of killing mafia with his terrible suggestions. You know why it's better to have a lynch than a no lynch? | ||
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On April 19 2010 09:10 KF91 wrote: Wow, a lot to catch up on -.- But here we go: Very true. But I really don't think that's the trend that is happening in this game. Mostly because people are generally lazy during Day 1; there's nothing to work with usually and posting could result in a lynch. I'm leaning more towards the inactivity = suspicion of mafia, but I guess that would put me in the spotlight as well since I haven't posted that much since the game started. I'm sorry I'm talking about BM's plan again, but I just wanted to share a bit more of my thoughts... Hmm... BM could be an assassin, but you never know with him because he's so... random XD (Not saying you're bad though BM! :D) I still see the flaws in BM's plan (Mostly because some people will not follow through with who they're supposed to kill), and I believe we should not follow through with it. But if by some chance the majority does agree with this plan, we should only implement it for Day/Night 1. As the game progresses, I think it would be harder to role claim with that plan, mostly because, it would be very easy for any blue/red/assassin to frame others. These questions are mostly directed at BM, but anyone could answer them if they want: How would medics/DTs/Mad Hatters do their job with your plan? Hmm... Looking at the time stamp between Caller's post and your post, I'm assuming you've had time to read his post before making a reply. Looking at what you said, combined with Caller's post, an inexperienced mafia would be posting to get out of inactivity so he does not get lynched and would look like an inexperienced townie trying not to get lynched. After Caller's post, an inexperienced mafia would not be willing to act along with what he said. But at the same time, you have posted and given not that much opinion yourself and agreed with other people for the most part (Which is what Caller described a mafia would do). It kinda looks like you're trying to avoid the spotlight of attention, but at the same time, you're messing up so people are noticing you even more. So this is the list of people "inactives" who have posted after Caller's post: - Fishball (Haven't expressed much thoughts, but according to him, he's only been up for about 2 hours) - TheLardyGooser (Pushing for a new plan) - tree.hugger (Talks about Abenson) - Roffles (Just woke up from OSL tiebreakers) Actually from what I can see, I think there's a higher chance that the mafia will be hiding in the inactives at this current time. And to Jugan: What's all this hate towards me? :O You claim that I was bashing on you, but I wasn't; I was just responding/expressing my thoughts in response your post. I have some suspicion against nAi at this point, but it's not concrete enough for me to vote him. I'll vote once a bit more comes it. Or if nothing suspicious happens, I guess we could just pick a random inactive and lynch him? :/ "Would DTs role check their targeted person? Would medics be saving anyone? Would Mad Hatters hold on to their bombs? " DTs would check whoever the personally found suspicious, and would sometimes be assassins theirselves! DTs would check the lynchee if the lyncher is offed to see if the lynchee is a mafia. Medics would protect the assassins that were trying to work with the town. Mad Hatters would put bombs on the people who were lynchees that had their lynchers killed. I've also found Caller's play to be rather scummy. If we can't lynch Zona, I'm for lynching Caller. | ||
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On April 19 2010 09:11 Roffles wrote: Sounds logical and safe. And tiebreakers. 7 hours FML. Yeah, I just couldn't do it man. I wanted to, but I got tired at like 6am | ||
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On April 19 2010 09:02 nAi.PrOtOsS wrote: Also with the amount of information we have currently which is absolutly nothing, the best thing we can do is to just pick the most inactive person and vote him off. If there are multiple inactive people then we should vote off the most experienced inactive people, because if they are mafia they are the least likely to make mistakes later on in the game. I completely disagree with this. I feel like nAi.Protoss is taking a stance against hunting for reds here, and that is something that we can't have. You're moving up my suspects list. From what I've read I feel like Ace is being a little cautious and not posting as much so he's probably blue or red. I feel like Jugan is the most obvious town player I've ever seen, and I feel like Meeple/Zona might be scumbuddies (especially given the prevalence Flamewheel would show to people like this) | ||
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On April 19 2010 09:29 Radfield wrote: As far as I'm concerned this is a terrible way to go about this. Don't just say "Caller's scummy". Give us some reasons, lay down some facts. As far as I can tell, both Caller and Zona have seemed legit enough for me, at least for Day 1. Why are you so quick to vote for these players when they could be an asset in the future, and when it makes much more sense to vote out some of the least active players. Lets not do the mafia's job for them. It's a day 1 lynch, dude. What information could I possibly have? I play Nature instead of Nurture, and I play with my gut, and I feel like Caller is acting the way he did when he was Sumiyoshi. | ||
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On April 19 2010 11:46 IntoTheWow wrote: Right now it seems like anyone making a plan is getting lynched. We should definitely learn a lesson from this : p As Radfield said, we should make a plan right now and set a basis not on who to vote, but how to. Based on what, or with what in mind. Are you saying we dont need a plan? | ||
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Mod: am i allowed to pm if its not about mafia? | ||
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On April 19 2010 14:56 DarthThienAn wrote: 1. there are way too many useless posts in this thread -.-. it's really annoying to read through 1-2 pages of Jugan arguing with the mods about his posting quality... (nothing against you, just one of the more recent examples). I has a life, I can't spend it ALL reading this thread. 2. I'd like to highlight this... makes me think Inf and Nai are connected? Why else would he bother to defend Nai so specifically? To me, Nai is just another inactive, I probably would have worded my post as like "why are we killing inactives?" or "why are we killing one specific inactive? There are too many to decide from" etc. etc. 3. Also, I didn't mind Caller's first few posts from a few pages back... then again, I don't really know what those terms mean ^^. But at least he's contributing. 4. Ace seems to be an arrogant elitest jerk, but that doesn't really tell us anything about his allegiance =p. 5. I voted for myself in the other thread for 2 reasons: I don't know who to vote for, and I don't think we'll get a majority anyway. Plus, the MKs should take care of more inactives than we want in the first day =[ (iirc still like 4+ left??). If we want to lynch someone in addiction to the anticipated MKs, that will give us more info, but... tis a nother possible townsperson =[. Normally, I would say lynch someone random for sure, but the whole modkilling changes things. after all, i doubt the mafia members would be dumb (or uninterested) enough to get modkilled for inactivity. I stopped reading this post after it literally started with "player a makes player b look bad by defending them" then moved onto him saying he thought someone was innocent and he defended them against lynch... total hypocrisy | ||
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On April 19 2010 17:28 Jugan wrote: As of now, I doubt the vote will matter. Just save it and observe. yeah, right now it's 20 to lynch, votes don't matter until we start getting to like L-4 or less or closer to the deadline. I'm obviously a townie, and have been one of the most helpful in the town besides perhaps bloodc0bbler, so if you want to lynch someone who is fucking obviously green and waste a town lynch go ahead. | ||
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On April 19 2010 17:57 meeple wrote: Wow man.. those last two posts really needed to be seperate eh? BM, you get this shit every game because you're annoying to play with, green or not. Yes. I thought of one, then I thought of the other. Regardless of how annoying I am or not, do you want to get off your ass and help? | ||
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On April 19 2010 18:55 Radfield wrote: OK, then lets focus on one person at a time. First off, I don't think his statements about the double lynch are particularly scummy. We were discussing them at the time, and it DOES make some sense in a way to save them for when we have better information; better chance of netting two bad guys. Mind you, i'm against the idea and think we should use our first one at the earliest opportunity. However, what did jump out at me ealier was this post: To my mind, Zona seemed quite legit at that point, and more importantly this was a bandwaggon vote, given that Bill Murray had stated he was voting Zona just prior. It seemed suspicious then so i noted it down. The more I think about it, I do get townie vibes from you because of you putting FoS onto Osmoses. Being a little more experienced than you, and take this with a grain of salt because I am not the best town player as my play always appears scummy when im green, you shouldn't read into day 1 votes because it is the random voting stage of the game. analyze the wagons after someone is dead, though, as you can see patterns emerge. I've actually found a couple people on mafiascum that way. | ||
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On April 20 2010 02:59 RaGe wrote: We really need a change of attitude here imo. I propose a town-wide ban (with lynching if not lived by) on accusations/analysis of previous posts until Day 2, and a lynch of the currently least active, most voted person RebirthOfLegend Because let's face it, we're not going to be able to have enough of us agree on an already suspicious person to be able to lynch him on day 1, and we're only helping mafia decide which townies to snipe atm. This would help us focus on getting a decent plan together for the rest of the game. you are so red | ||
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i thought he was blue | ||
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On April 20 2010 04:07 RaGe wrote: .. thanks? Way to continue your spree of just spreading confusion. If you come up with a reason why this would hurt town I'll happily listen. But you just continue the problem I addressed. Is this really what you're going to do all mafia game? Call people out, offer no reasoning and when people call you out you either whine about being always accused or go "yeah just lynch me i'll be green". Town, we must unite. If my proposition doesn't suit you, shoot it down with reasoning. If we're going to allow any idea to be shot down with 'you are so red' I have no idea how people want to achieve something. If behavior inherently disrupts the town's chances of winning we should not hesitate to banish it. i was making a joke about you being a red moderator, man. am i going to "Call people out, offer no reasoning and when people call you out you either whine about being always accused or go "yeah just lynch me i'll be green"." that would be my normal behavior, yea, glad you picked up on that. i'll make my good cases on later days when I have more information on who is mafia | ||
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On April 20 2010 04:20 Caller wrote: I propose that we lynch all players that have a tag: Reasoning: Judging from the past few mafia games, either the third person or fourth person on a bandwagon is scum. Just pointing this out. I do feel like the RoL wagon probably has scum on it | ||
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On April 20 2010 03:59 d3_crescentia wrote: Posting from work, which is not blocking TL today. I am getting increasingly concerned that there are 10+ inactives lurking out there and that we have 25 votes though they're entirely scattered across the board. Who are our main candidates for lynch, and who's voting for them? 1. Caller - Ace, nai.Protoss, Jadefist I don't really see what Ace saw in Caller's posts, and with him not around at this point in time to explain his accusations I don't really think this lynch is really going to go anywhere. I've already expressed my concerns about Jadefist's vote here, but there really isn't much to do with that. As for nai.Protoss it just seems he's vote-retaliating, but that's hardly of use to anyone right now. 2. Bill Murray - motbob, AcrossFiveJulys, meeple Alright, now for some real meat-and-potatoes. BM was the author of that fine work, the Assassin plan, and thanks to the heroic actions of our fellow townies we've beaten that horse to death. Seems that all of the votes have been due to that one plan, and no one's really bothered to change since. Then there's Radfield's concerns, which are common to games with Bill as a participant, but does that change the fact that they've been equally valid across all aforementioned games? Supposedly, he's improved in the last few games, but where's the proof in this game? 3. Jugan - love1another, myself, Scaramanga, jpak I'm actually very, very concerned about this group of voters. I stated my original reasons (bad posting/semi-inactivity) for voting Jugan, and now that he's actually making an effort to participate I'm turning my attention to other inactives to try and get them to post. But the fact that love1another and jpak haven't been posting in the thread about their vote reasoning is disconcerting. Scaramanga's reasoning feels similar to mine, but I do wish he'd post more so we can keep an eye on him as well. 4. RoL - Fishball, Rage, IntoTheWow, Falcynn, DarthThienAn, TheLardyGooser As funny as getting a gang-rape train on RoL would be after his little post in the vote thread, I feel bad for the guy, since it'd be the the second game in a row that this shit's happened to him. I suppose that's what he gets for not posting, but I'll have reservations about following through with the lynch if he actually decides to speak up. Here's what I propose: we forget about Caller/Jugan for now, and the town consolidates its votes on either RoL or BM, so we don't face a no-lynch scenario at the end of the day. I'll be voting for BM currently, because I've yet to see a difference in his play so far. it's day 1 bro... the difference is i'm not taking day 1 seriously. what cases can i possibly make with no information? Also, why are you so considered to get a lynch right now? We have tons of time before the deadline. Care to explain? | ||
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On April 20 2010 04:26 KF91 wrote: Alright, I know RaGe suggested a ban on the analysis posts until Day 2 (And I'm fine with the plan he proposed of lynching RoL, since he hasn't been here at all :/), but I'm just making this post I guess as a reference for Day 2. Jugan Most noticeable is the posting difference in Jugan. He somehow goes from spamming one-liners to actually phrasing his thoughts into readable sentences: He goes from this: to this: + Show Spoiler + On April 19 2010 13:51 Jugan wrote: I'm sure he understands that he made a mistake now, so let's leave it at that and open the discussion to something that will help steer us in the correct direction. As I stated earlier in the thread (not picking on you, just using this as an example), a person being less active than other people in the game at this stage is normal. It's only the first night, taking a tally of those who appear to be either lurking or inactive will help none. The mods will deal with those who are inactive (i.e. reminders/modkills). For those of you who don't know, people have things in real life to do: Go to school Socialize Take care of animals Set houses on fire Which means that they will be unable to devote as much time to the game as others will. Additionally, newer players will, understandably, want to get a feel for the game before putting themselves out there. While it is entirely possible that a person's seeming "inactivity" can be an indicator of a mafia member, please take great care in jumping to conclusions and making assumptions. I hope this serves as a reality call and a reminder for some players, IntoTheWow. But not much has changed; he really isn't giving much ideas towards the town, but mainly arguing with people in the game. I'm not sure if I'm 100% right, but the turning point of his posting behaviour is after Caller pretty much abuses him verbally. What's interesting to note is that Jugan has little to no interaction with Caller after this. (Rarely mentions him) I honestly don't really understand why he continues to hate on me for being "annoying" when I (In my point of view) haven't done anything to a far extent to annoy him. And yet he continues hold his vote on me :/ Plus, please try to calm down and try not to bring emotions into the game too much (Mostly directed at your bashing on IntoTheWow) What Incognito Said About Osmoses As to what Incognito had said about Osmoses, that's a good observation made on him, but I don't think Osmoses is trying to pull off what you said. From what I can see, I think Osmoses is putting in effort and trying to contribute to the town. We should wait until he posts a little bit more so that we can get a concrete reason to lynch him (If he seems scummier by the post). BC's Post About Inactives I think Rage is doing something right here and he doesn't seem that scummy to me. The town needed a plan, and here we have one. It's better that the town lynches a random and hope to get a mafia than no lynch at all. Remember, although the chances of getting a mafia with a random lynch is around 20%, the chances of getting a mafia with no lynch is 0%. But I do have to agree with you about RoL. When I played with him in the Micro-Mafia, he was very active; and now, it honestly feels like he died or something O.o And finally to Rage, BM is always like that; try to take it as the comedic side of mafia games. XD good analysis, but where's the FoS? you're not really calling anyone out. Your light FoS on Jugan (if you can even call it that) for changing his post style is actually indicative of him trying to be helpful to the town. | ||
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On April 19 2010 11:25 tree.hugger wrote: For all the talk earlier on about the role of assassins in the town, I think we need to understand that while assassin posting should aim towards prolonging the game; the town can't rely on the the assassins to act on the town's behalf. But here's something for dts to think about. If you role-check an assassin, you should definitely get in contact with them. Remember that: Which means that finding an assassin can help you find other townies with which you can begin to develop a town circle. Not only that, but since the assassin's objective has absolutely no bearing on the game as a whole, detectives should be able to work in a pro-town way with the assassin. Remember that assassin hits... ... don't count against the assassin's total if they correctly hit another assassin. Therefore, detectives should be able to, if you play your card right, get the assassin to take out some spare mafia as well. Therefore, DETECTIVES: A) Rolecheck an assassin B) Establish contact C) Establish quid-pro-quo D) Provide names, receive names E) Establish more contacts F) Order hits Objections to this plan? Yes, I have an objection to this plan. Let's assume you're a detective: you can't out yourself in the thread or you will die. Let's assume you're another town role: you won't be able to find out who they are Let's assume you're an assassin lying about being a detective: This would really benefit you My objection to this plan is that the only person it would benefit is a lying assassin, which I am labeling you as | ||
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On April 20 2010 04:36 CynanMachae wrote: Oh I also forgot to point out that I'm hesitating putting my vote on RoL right now because 3 of those voting for him are among the players I find likely red (IntoTheWow, Rage and TheLardyLooser) On April 20 2010 04:21 Bill Murray wrote: I do feel like the RoL wagon probably has scum on it looks like we're agreeing | ||
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On April 20 2010 04:46 Radfield wrote: Then jump on the jpak bandwagon! We got plenty of room! At least 20 seats! Seriously Pluses: He's almost as inactive as RoL; Already cast a vote so he's out of modkill danger (we won't waste our lynch) Minuses: I am completely against this style of play. They person may be an idiot, a noob, and a terrible player, but as far as i'm concerned it is scummy to lynch someone until we have proof that they're capable of being red playing the way they are. Furthermore, if jpak is red, do we have to worry about him? the person we need to be lynching is the godfather, honestly. | ||
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On April 20 2010 04:57 KF91 wrote: Alright, now that we can see that RoL is back and he is trying to catch up on what has been happening, I am changing my vote to jpak. Agreeing with Infun, I believe that RoL can be asset to the town because he is able to give detailed insight. Jpak on the other hand has not posted anything useful at all. (I think he's only made 4 posts so far post-Day1?) I don't understand this at fucking all. When you are green you have big posts, and I had you written off as green, but your shift towards smaller posts is AWAY from your green meta and really had me thinking that you are red. Let's lynch KF91. On April 20 2010 04:26 KF91 wrote: I honestly don't really understand why he continues to hate on me for being "annoying" when I (In my point of view) haven't done anything to a far extent to annoy him. Well, I don't find you annoying, but when you are green you tend to come out and actually accuse people instead of squirming and getting defensive with very short posts. When you are green you craft elaborate posts, and you are not doing that, so therefore you will flip scum when we lynch you. | ||
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On April 20 2010 07:35 meeple wrote: Sweet... $120 bucks... @Caller, The Rage bandwagon started with your post about him... and it made sense to me? In any case I switched to jpak since I want a majority vote and he's got the most on him by now... do you really feel like he's scum? He could be, but I don't see it. | ||
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oh. that's true, i had forgotten about jpak. | ||
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On April 20 2010 15:24 meeple wrote: I see that there's been good use of the Zbot already... huge props to Zona for getting that up and running. It makes a ton of sense. Now... to aid medics in making some decisions: High Risk of Dying - BC - Caller - Incog All are pretty high profile and have been relatively helpfulish... On that note remember BC's plan of letting them live/die by their play. Not a suggestion either way, just something to think about. Medium Risk Examples are but definitely not limited to: - INfund - tree.hugger - hobbes - foolishness Basically anyone with some experience that's been posting somewhat regularly The rest are basically low risk... but I'm sure the mafia will pick off some. Also please before you protect someone go over their post history very carefully... we definitely don't want to be protecting reds and for sure there are some reds in the people I listed as perceived high/med risk. Any hints in their post history of scummy behavior and you should think twice about protecting them. I feel like I am at a pretty high risk of dying. | ||
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On April 20 2010 16:07 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I should also toss out as a general note. Ace is typically super against day 1 claims (not sure why not ones really brought this up yet). So the fact he is openly roleclaiming to me is insanely odd. Even bored, purposely jumping out to add random confusion to the game doesn't seem like his regular style, as he enjoy's being the voice of reason in games.  just a little something for those to think on.yeah i remember a game where someone day 1 roleclaimed as a medic and ace let them have it.... judge? something like that. do you know what i'm talkin about? | ||
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On April 20 2010 04:46 Bill Murray wrote: seriously 10 games and not red | ||
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since you guys aren't stepping it up, i'll have to. since i know i'm green, we can create a town circle around me. I'm not asking you to roleclaim to me, but if you are a member of this town, and want to contribute and win then u need to listen to me. We need to get rid of people who aren't stepping up to the plate. these players are supposed to be good and helpful players but instead they are not helping or are just posting garbage: Tree.Hugger, Ace, BC, Infundibulum, There are also people who have scummy suspicious posts or are strangely quiet like meeple, Zona, abenson, or KF91 On April 21 2010 11:11 meeple wrote: I didn't say we wouldn't have enough... I said we wouldn't have tons. We probably will have enough... but not so much that I would be totally comfortable with doing it and the second lynch will probably be a stretch. It really all depends on how the game plays out. If after tonights killings there is reason to believe in Day 3 we'll be set on two Mafia I might very well change my mind. But I'm just playing it safe... too many lynches without enough information just means more green deaths. You're right... this is something I'm guilty of. I am normally a reactionary player and even more so in this game... I mean hell even this response is only a reaction to you prodding me a bit. I will make an effort to poke the bear and get some information. I don't remember complaining about inactivity... in fact I think I said that its been pretty good, with 40 pages by Day 1. About bandwagons: Normally bandwagons are something to be avoided... but in a game where you need a majority vote to lynch they're inevitable, and even necessary. Do you really think that everyone voting for jpak really beleived him to be scum? Or even agreed with the reasons he was being lynched? Without Jugan switching last minute (when he claimed he wouldn't) we wouldn't have got a lynch at all. We should still look closely at people who do little but bandwagon (yeah I fall on this list right now, but whatever) Yeah the medic list eh... hrmmm... not entirely well thought out but certaintly I can defend it. The list wasn't meant to tell the medics exactly what to do... and surely it wasn't meant to include everyone that I thought was at risk. I actually meant to include d3 and don't know why it didn't end up on there. But Zona and Ace were ignored because Zona hasn't been especially active other than his Zbot and he's been really active on other parts of the site, so although his contributions have been incredibly useful he hasn't been all too active around here. Ace seems to have given up on the game and I have doubts whether he really is a dt... but regardless it's not like he's contributing to anything other than his ingame-game. I saw Infund's list... but I thought it could be expanded... tree.hugger and foolishness have posted semi-intelligently but yeah hobbes... mmm... that's someone that might have been left off given some more thought. This post feels pretty squirmy to me Also, Meeple, when you said " On April 20 2010 09:59 meeple wrote: "Show nested quote + On April 20 2010 09:58 [NyC]HoBbes wrote: If Jugan switches it'll be to vote for me Oh you doubter... I know Jugan is a team player How on earth do you KNOW that? Let's lynch Meeple. | ||
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On April 21 2010 12:16 Incognito wrote: Lolwut since when does BM step up to the plate? And since when does tree.hugger trump ppl like Zona for the "good and helpful players" list? Um what makes you think this? I thought it was at least halfway decent... zona isnt doing a fucking thing to help us | ||
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On April 21 2010 12:26 Incognito wrote: Well uh...and you think Ace and BC ARE going to do something to help us? Yes. BC might. Ace started to but I am not seeing him contribute to the town... They are doing a LOT more than Zona. I haven't seen Zona for literally like 40 hours or something. | ||
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On April 21 2010 12:36 [NyC]HoBbes wrote: Just got home and found out I got killed. GG All, good luck town we don't need LUCK as a town. We need action. | ||
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On April 21 2010 12:37 Ace wrote: STOP THE GAME! Rolecheck on Caller came back : Caller is Mafia Lets get this shit. If this is true we have a lot of information here on who was waggoning with him and shit. good find man, this is exactly the kind of thing we need as a town | ||
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On April 21 2010 12:41 Ace wrote: because I'm pro. I wasn't joking about the player that bids highest gets to set the rolecheck. Of course I gave Caller mad phat l00t and like a sap he used it thinking his bluff would scare me. LOLOLOLOLOLOL! Lynch that Mafia scum! I caught him Day 1 without a role check, then I caught him Night 1 with my role check. <---pro If you want to learn how to hunt scum follow my lead fools! i kind of believe you. i'm going to go for a smoke and think about this. caller was a lot more afk as mafia at the start of WaW wasnt he? | ||
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Bill is weird. From his assassin "plan" though, I'd probably look at his followers more closely than him. He's being kinda funky, like always, but he's been accusing more than usual. Usually he posts more about himself being green, no? Or maybe that was just a result of L attacking him like a relentless attack dog. Someone to look out for, but not that high on the list. Might warrant an RC though. Seriously its kinda hard to tell what he is purely from behavior (although he's never been red, i'm weird? understatement of the century. what do you mean by "plan"... I have followers? funky like smelly or like a funky ass bass solo? i'm accusing more than normal because i have nothing better to do only my mind and vote my play is evolving "Someone to look out for, but not that high on the list." why are you talking about me then? you are a lot more suspicious than i am Might warrant an RC though. Seriously its kinda hard to tell what he is purely from behavior (although he's never been red, rolecheck me i'm fucking green | ||
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On April 21 2010 13:31 Ace wrote: Yea this isn't a Day 1 RC. This is an RC after I already found Caller to be scummy. But hey if you guys want to lynch me good luck! i don't believe in luck. i also don't believe in sacrificing a detective for 1 red, so here's what we're going to do. we're going to lynch caller, and find out if ace is lying. we will use medics to protect him if he's telling the truth, and if he's not we'll lynch him because as a town we need to lynch all liars. in all likelihood ace isn't lying, and caller will be red, so medics you may have had your task of finding someone to protect made a whole hell of a lot easier | ||
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On April 21 2010 13:37 nAi.PrOtOsS wrote: I would just like to point out that since Caller is now proven to be mafia and he tried to take me out near the start when he was under risk of being lynched, I am clearly not mafia. Although I am also proving your point that I only post to defend myself and I am semi-inactive. But until I find time to sift through all these posts and come up with a good arguement for why somone is mafia I don't have anything to post. Isn't this entire argument WIFOM? | ||
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On April 21 2010 15:08 Ace wrote: you know whats funny is the only thing BC had going to save his neck is that RoL waited till I said my RC to say he RC'd BC. Of course BC isn't exactly a shining beacon of Scum win so he opens his mouth and makes himself look even more scummy by trying to discredit the person who has nothing to do with his lynch. Amazing. All Vigis should pop you tonight even if RoL is lying. I don't see the case on bc ace | ||
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On April 21 2010 15:14 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Actually ace, I just offered to let town lynch me and 100% confirm RoL as a RC user. As the only way I will appear red is if im miller. So realisticallly, lynching me a) confirms RoL as dt/assassin (or extremely lucky guesser and id drop my hat to him). Where as you just said up above to vigi us both. Sorry bud, advocating killing of one potential DT and not yourself because "your RC is obviously legit" is total crock. We both know your full of it, and the town seriously has to learn or it will constantly fall for it. Seriously, stop your hypocrital BS. You always play kill day 1 RCer, then you basically pulled a folca on caller. The guy is fishy as hell, but so are you. He can flip red all you want, but it does nothing to clear you. NOBODY CARES! | ||
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On April 21 2010 15:49 motbob wrote: I don't want to get modkilled, so here I am, posting. I think town is pretty much on the right track so there is no need to delve into anyone's posts or anything yet. nobody cares :p | ||
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On April 21 2010 15:58 Zona wrote: I've replaced out of this game but I must ask one thing. Bill, why do you have so much vitriol against me? Stuff like: I don't see you speaking of others the same way. Anyways, for the record, I asked to be replaced over 28 hours ago. It's not against you vs. you being anyone else. I like you, and feel like you are doing a lot for the community. It just hurts me to see someone like you inactive when we need good town players and you're capable of helping. I know real life > mafia, though, so don't take this the wrong way. | ||
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On April 22 2010 00:21 Ace wrote: You can rule out me being an Assassin as I've already illustrated how ridiculous that would be. @Everyone else: Look at BC's recent post. He said this is the same thing as the Folca situation in Mafia 3. Once again blatant Mafia misinformation because he doesn't know how to read. In Mafia 3 DTs had bs Day checks ala it was possible to get results within the Day. That didn't happen this game. Notice where as Folca sent out a blind Role Check Day 1, I TOLD you guys Caller was scum before my Role Check. Too ez. I'm drunk on WIFOM scummy argument | ||
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On April 22 2010 04:18 Caller wrote: BC REMEMBER WHAT I TOLD YOU On April 22 2010 04:21 Ace wrote: Hey you're dead Scum. Keep it quiet. lol. I figured Ace was telling the truth with how bored he was feeling earlier | ||
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On April 22 2010 05:52 Scamp wrote: Also Bill Murray, why have you abandoned your plan from day 1 that I never quite understood? I wouldn't have abandoned it if people would go with it. People generally had the misconception that I wanted like 19 people to try to kill like 19 people. That wasn't the case. I wanted to isolate 2 people every day cycle, as I feel the pressure would lead to us catching scum. | ||
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On April 22 2010 04:46 KF91 wrote: Looks like we forgot the chance that Caller could be miller. XD Well this does look good for Ace and his "I'm a detective" thing. Although I'm still kind of not sure on who we should vote for if we go for that double lynch on Day (Although RoL and BC seems to be big targets at this moment.) I don't think that Ace failed at deducing if Caller was mafia. I think the combined products of the role-check and Caller's suspicious way of posting and playing style made it concrete for Ace to say that Caller was definitely mafia. I think the double lynch will definitely depend on what happens with the mafia kills. Personally, I don' t think that Ace could die tonight, due to that fact that he hasn't gotten any mafia members killed. The only reason (that I can see) for Ace to get killed is if RoL or BC is mafia. Even then, if the majority of the town agrees with this lynch, killing Ace won't do anything at all to save their member. Right now, the suspicions of Ace being mafia for me are very low. It would have been a very ballsy move by Ace to do something like what he did (If he was mafia) and the chances that Caller would flip Miller are very low. So I really believe that Ace is a legit DT at this point. Now what would be even more surprising is if RoL and BC are both killed during the night. Although I don't think mafia is stupid enough to kill off the two people we are accusing if they are both townies. This goes along with what Korynne said, the mafia would rather have the townies kill each other rather than have the spotlight shine on them. Well I'm going to go with the double lynch at this moment, because we could possibly end up choosing not to use it if the situation calls for it. We still have 2 more left if we don't use it, and I think the majority, or rather, some members of the town will be smart enough if we don't need to use it on Day 3. I have to go to work, so I'll be back in around 6 hours. When I get back, I'm going to read over what RoL and BC have been saying and I'll hopefully put up a post before I go to sleep. Just because Ace rolechecked him, and he acted like a DT, I'd like to remind you of WHY he's NOT a confirmed DT. He can say "well I wouldn't do that as an assassin" but his only possible argument of not being an assassin is literally a scummy argument. there are 3 options: a) Ace is a detective. This is great for us, as the best player is on our side. b) Ace is an assassin. This isn't terrible for us, as the best player is for himself (we can ignore him) Remember, assassins get rolechecks. I find this likely, as he has already defended one accusation of this. I'm not saying "lets lynch ace, he's an assassin!", all I'm saying is remember he could be. c) Ace is a good guesser. I don't see this being the case, regardless. He wouldn't do this. Do I personally think he's a DT? Yes. Do I think he could be an assassin? Yes. Either way, we have reds to hunt. | ||
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On April 22 2010 07:24 Abenson wrote: Why? He doesn't really care. In fact, he wants the game to last longer, and therefore he wouldn't want to give out mafia's names. he wouldn't hit them in the night with his nightkill because they're not an assassin and not relevant to his win condition | ||
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tree.hugger was obviously an assassin... he's not good at hiding his role. It's not that i'm good at analysis, it's that tree.hugger is terrible about his post style in relation to what side he's on. on kf91 thinking i'm suspicious: the last time he played in a mafia game, micro mafia 2, I got him killed day 2 because he was acting really scummy. He is probably letting that game influence his opinion of me in this one. I will go ahead and tell you that I'm green so you all don't waste time on me, because I really don't have the time to properly invest into this right now making analysis. I'm more than likely just going to vote with Ace, as I pretty much know he's town. | ||
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On April 25 2010 04:45 d3_crescentia wrote: @Ace: How about this - I actually thought Caller was innocent. Guess it means my scumdar's better than yours? Actual reasoning: out-of-game behavior comparison, back from when me and Caller were on the same Mafia team in WaW. In chat he kept suggesting ridiculous things (you might even remember some of them) to say or do, and we kept telling him no... in comparison, this game he was ridiculously chatty and playing far more aggressively, like he had nothing to lose. I didn't really care that he used improper terminology or whatever but I guess it's because I'm not that careful of a reader. As for RaGe, I missed his post where he said to keep accusations out of Day 1, read some other arguments against it and then agreed with said arguments. I was doubly wrong, since I didn't actually read RaGe's post as carefully as I should have in the first place, and then failed to read the responses carefully to see if there was some sort of discrepancy. That being said, if you'd like to check me to prove how useless I am, go ahead. @Korynne: my reasoning for Day 3 lynch was a mathematical inference based on having 2 Assassins, not based on any sense of good play. We can afford to double mislynch on Day 3, and in the case of 2 Assassins we needed to hit 1 Mafia. With 3, 4 it would have been less safe in that we would need a double and hit both, but I was hoping that by then we would have been able to root out some mafia. Going to eat breakfast, brb. We're going to need a plan for tonight/tomorrow. instead of saying "we're gonna need a plan", why can't u actually do something and propose one? | ||
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On April 25 2010 04:45 KF91 wrote: Big post. Here we go. I went through this post looking for grammatical and code errors. If there are still some left, I apologize -.- BrownBear + Show Spoiler + General Points: - Switched in for Zona - Does not understand why the Caller bandwagon was started. (Believes that there was not enough evidence provided by Ace for there to be a bandwagon) Now this was before we confirmed that Ace was a DT. At that points there were many doubts that Ace could be a DT because of his mass spamming. + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2010 03:43 BrownBear wrote: Ok. Wow. Reading this was intense, and this is far far deeper and more elaborate than any Mafia game I've ever played before (although, like Korynne, I've never played on a forum before, so maybe that has something to do with it.) That said, here goes, with a little mini-analysis of what seems to be the biggest story of the last 20 pages or so: Ace vs Caller. I find the Caller bandwagon to be slightly weird. It seems that people have jumped on the caller bandwagon largely due to this post by Ace: + Show Spoiler + On April 21 2010 12:37 Ace wrote: STOP THE GAME! Rolecheck on Caller came back : Caller is Mafia Lets get this shit. ...although Caller really hasn't helped his cause much by being BM about it. However, the only real proof we have that Ace is his word, plus an (easily fakeable) pm from flamewheel. Of course, he still could easily be a detective, as he said, but then that begs the question: why did the Mafia not kill him on night 1, and go for Radfield instead? I have not seen any evidence that the Mafia knew somehow that Radfield was a detective - except, of course, for another post by Ace: + Show Spoiler + On April 20 2010 06:42 Ace wrote: wait my bad. This guy is. Don't let him die - only hope for the town to win. ...which doesnt exactly implicate Radfield as a detective, but... it's just very very strange to me. It's not really enough for me to stick my neck out for Caller, as he's pretty obviously today's pincushion, and honestly, people have been lynched in Mafia games for less that this. However, it does make me suspicious, so here's my recommendation: Lynch Caller today, and see what his role was. If he does turn out to be scum, then I hereby retract all the nasty horrible things I said about Ace in this post, with my most humble apologies. However, if he's innocent... I for one will be targeting the guy who seems most responsible for his death. Now to prepare to have my argument cut to shreds - Provides analysis on BC and RoL + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2010 03:31 BrownBear wrote: Eh, so it goes. I'm not really going to try to pretend I knew what was going on in his head. So, having looked at the required reading, here goes in terms of analysis: BloodyC0bbler: Started the game offering a lot of advice to new players, and specifically telling medics NOT to protect him, Ace, or Caller. With Caller out, that leaves him and Ace that the medics are NOT supposed to protect. That, to me, is kinda suspect. If you analyze it on the surface, it's a totally selfless move that makes him look townie, but honestly, why even bother making that move? He could have just as easily said nothing about whether the medic protects him or not, and it wouldn't have been suspicious at all. Plus, now, with it having been pretty much established that Ace is DT, having medics not protect him is just silly. On the other side, to be fair, BC probaby had no clue Ace was a DT when he made that post, so it's not entirely damning evidence, it's just minorly suspect. Gives some more early game advice, drops into some oneliners, then starts a bandwagon on RoL, then jumps off immediately once it gets rolling. What? He claims its under the pretense that he's starting wagons on inactive players. As this is my first time playing, I don't know if this is actually a legitimate strategy, but, hey, y'know, whatever. He then follows up with some decent analysis of random people's posts, which all seem to end in confirming them red. Kind of odd that he yells at meeple for doing nothing but confirming people red, while at the same time pointing the FoS at many people himself - the only difference is he mixes it up by also adding advice to newbies/random oneline comments. So... I feel something's off here. I am pretty sure he's not Townie, based off the fact that he seems to have a clear agenda here, and he's picking people who I don't think are mafia, and accusing them to be red. But at the same time, he's also (so far) working by himself, and doesn't seem to be anti-town so much as he is anti-specific people. Thus, I'm going to call Assassin. RebirthOfLegenD Not nearly as active as BC, but that could mean anything, he claims he's been very busy. Most of his posts are 1-3 liners, with the exception of some longer defense posts. What I don't like is that ok, he has accused BC of mafia, but he presents NO evidence besides "rolecheck confirmed LOL". I fail to see anywhere where he claims to be a DT, or have any rolechecks whatsoever, so if someone could point me to that that would be greatly appreciated. Beyond that, he doesn't seem to be taking the game very seriously, his posts have little to no analysis, and he appears to have given up on the town. All this points to SCUM Bill Murray I will analyze Bill Murray in a little bit, as I have class now and there's a lot of reading to go through. - His last couple of posts talk about how medics and vigis have to do their job to ensure that the town wins this game. Thoughts: Well I don't think there is much to talk about BrownBear. He's been switched into the game fairly late and most of his posts have been pro-town. He's been pushing RoL that he was scum for a little bit (Although he was wrong in the end, RoL was not town, so I guess he could be considered correct? O.o) He hasn't been that accusatory in his past few posts, but I guess that could be understood because Ace has been telling what people do for the past two game days. I've been looking for the correlation between Zona's posts and BrownBear's posts to see if there are any similarities (Although they are different people, if his role was mafia, they could end up defending the same person/same group of people), but there has been none. Final Conclusions: From what I can see, I am confident in saying that BrownBear is probably a Townie. d3_crescentia + Show Spoiler + General Points: - Talked quite a lot of assassins. - Voting analysis + Show Spoiler + On April 20 2010 03:59 d3_crescentia wrote: Posting from work, which is not blocking TL today. I am getting increasingly concerned that there are 10+ inactives lurking out there and that we have 25 votes though they're entirely scattered across the board. Who are our main candidates for lynch, and who's voting for them? 1. Caller - Ace, nai.Protoss, Jadefist I don't really see what Ace saw in Caller's posts, and with him not around at this point in time to explain his accusations I don't really think this lynch is really going to go anywhere. I've already expressed my concerns about Jadefist's vote here, but there really isn't much to do with that. As for nai.Protoss it just seems he's vote-retaliating, but that's hardly of use to anyone right now. 2. Bill Murray - motbob, AcrossFiveJulys, meeple Alright, now for some real meat-and-potatoes. BM was the author of that fine work, the Assassin plan, and thanks to the heroic actions of our fellow townies we've beaten that horse to death. Seems that all of the votes have been due to that one plan, and no one's really bothered to change since. Then there's Radfield's concerns, which are common to games with Bill as a participant, but does that change the fact that they've been equally valid across all aforementioned games? Supposedly, he's improved in the last few games, but where's the proof in this game? 3. Jugan - love1another, myself, Scaramanga, jpak I'm actually very, very concerned about this group of voters. I stated my original reasons (bad posting/semi-inactivity) for voting Jugan, and now that he's actually making an effort to participate I'm turning my attention to other inactives to try and get them to post. But the fact that love1another and jpak haven't been posting in the thread about their vote reasoning is disconcerting. Scaramanga's reasoning feels similar to mine, but I do wish he'd post more so we can keep an eye on him as well. 4. RoL - Fishball, Rage, IntoTheWow, Falcynn, DarthThienAn, TheLardyGooser As funny as getting a gang-rape train on RoL would be after his little post in the vote thread, I feel bad for the guy, since it'd be the the second game in a row that this shit's happened to him. I suppose that's what he gets for not posting, but I'll have reservations about following through with the lynch if he actually decides to speak up. Here's what I propose: we forget about Caller/Jugan for now, and the town consolidates its votes on either RoL or BM, so we don't face a no-lynch scenario at the end of the day. I'll be voting for BM currently, because I've yet to see a difference in his play so far. - Provides analysis on people who were killed during Night 1 + Show Spoiler + On April 21 2010 12:19 d3_crescentia wrote: Alright, so we're lynching meeple because he's an indecisive flip-flopper speaking in ambiguous language? Considering Jugan was just modkilled and flipped green, I don't think we should take his 'team player' comment to seriously. I like Incognito's idea about forced post analysis, though I'm still digesting the results of Night 1. Seriously, 3 blues dead and no one bats an eye? Granted we (or rather, Foolishness) got TheLardyGooser, but I'm still feeling things are a bit more stressed than I'd like going into Day 2. Summary of arguments from dead people, taken from the archives. I'm fairly sure that the archive needs to be updated, so it could be updated with any other posts in the thread, but I'd rather sleep first. CynanMachae - suspects TheLardyGooser - pro-inactive lynching - agrees with Incognito on Osmoses - dislikes RoL bandwagon Radfield - contributes to double-lynch discussion (use double lynch early?) - advocates inactive Day 1 lynch - anti-BM plan, suspicious of him - takes notes of particular bandwagoners (darththienan, meeple, infundibulum, scamp, jadefist) - speaks in defense of RaGe - FoS on AcrossFiveJulys Foolishness - is fairly critical of meeple re: lynches (though this was a misunderstanding?) - FoS on TheLardyGooser (and eventually killed him) - misunderstanding between him/Incognito about spam posting - FoS on RaGe for previous discussion [nyc]hobbes - against double-lynch on Day 3 - argument with Jugan - for lynching inactives on Day 1 Any common threads here? Both Foolishness and CynanMachae spoke out against TheLardyGooser; Foolishness and Radfield both took note of meeple - albeit for different reasons, and one of those reasons potentially being faulty. More importantly though, I think Radfield had the right idea with looking at the vote list for bandwagoners. We're discussing meeple right now, whom I feel we have a good case for; I'd also like to look at Darth, Scamp and Inf, all of whom I'll leave for the morning unless some kind soul decides to do it for me. As for JadeFist... well, no matter what color he flips his action was just really, really DUMB and he should be probably be killed for it. - Provides an okay analysis of me. + Show Spoiler + On April 21 2010 21:27 d3_crescentia wrote: Good morning; sorry if this seems a bit rushed, but I've got less than 10 minutes before I need to leave and I probably won't be posting until the evening again. Most of my post will be some quick thoughts on KF91/Scamp/Inf/Darth, as I said I was going to do last night. As for the current situation before us, given Ace's Detective claim last night and his recent claim that Caller checked red this one is actually a fairly simple decision, unless Ace is bullshitting us all. Analysis of KF91: + Show Spoiler + Summary of arguments: - Agrees with early double-lynch; actually gives some solid reasoning as why to do so - Against BM's plan - Picks out Jugan and Osmoses for later analysis - Thinks Caller is mafia due to his erratic behavior - Analysis made on infundibulum as possible mafia Comments: Everything he's said so far seems to be logical. Follows Incognito's lead in agreeing with Osmoses and doing next-person analysis (but then again, so am I). I agree with his analysis on Inf, and so we should keep an eye on him. Fairly pro-town player IMO. Brief thoughts on Scamp, Inf, Darth: + Show Spoiler + - Scamp - posted quite a bit in the early game, dropped off the face of the planet later. Picked out TheLardyGooser early but hasn't said much since. Keep an eye out for him. - Inf - See comments above. Also, Inf has posted since then, and I think he's in the clear for now. - Darth - Bandwagoning early on, but makes some okay posts. I'd say he's actually green and just making common newb mistakes, except my perception of him is colored since I happen to know him. Don't think there's much to worry from him though. Of these three, I'd say we should be most careful of Inf, then Scamp, then Darth. There's nothing much to suggest that any of them are scum. Thoughts: From what I can see, crescentia is a player analyzer in this game, he posted a lot of people's behaviour throughout this game. He posts about voting behaviours, mafia killing behaviours and how dead people posted before they were killed. He doesn't really accuse anyone of being mafia, but rather just casting suspicion on them. His posts seem mostly pro-town, but he hasn't (In my opinion), given much ideas toward the town (Due to the due fact that he hasn't given a serious FoS towards anyone). It seems that he could be a quiet-ish mafia providing some information from time to time to mask his identity, but I don't think I can nail that on him, just because of the type of information is giving to us. Although he hasn't provided analysis for us in his last few posts... He claims that he will be doing some "rigorous analysis" during this weekend. Final Conlusions: I would really like to label him as mafia. I just have a feeling that he could be trying to pretending to be a helpful townie. But, along with the all the analysis he is providing and the fairly pro-town vibe I'm getting from his posts, I would say that he is a Townie. Scaramanga + Show Spoiler + General Points: - Really spammy. (I'm not even going to bother putting quote evidence here.) - Says that he doesn't contribute much because he doesn't know what to do. He also claims that he's just bad player, so he doesn't want the train of thought of the players derailed because of his posts. + Show Spoiler + On April 21 2010 20:28 Scaramanga wrote: There you go, thats all i was asking for, not just analysis but some suggestions aswell. See i have no idea who to vote to lynch, i might vote for Ace if caller turns out green but im not sure whats best for us in this situation hence why im calling for suggestions not just "oh check this out he might be scummy" like whats been happening. Yeah i havent really contributed that much because i dont really know what to do . I can't do awesome analysis of clues (not relevent to this game but going off prior games) or behaviour and pin reds like many others can do. The way i see my self contributing to the thread is giving my two cents where nessessary which mostly is about keeping the town clear and heading in the right direction. I felt that the posts from jugan were majorly cluttering the thread and detracting efforts from finding actual reds, note i clarified and explained that its not the posting overall that i said "sucks" it was jugans and jugans posts only that "suck". And im trying to contribute now, as you can see in the pages leading up to this people are doing good analysis but none of those who are doing analysis are calling for lynches and very limited ammount of town are giving their thoughts on this, thats why im calling for most of the town to come out so we can head in the right direction that most of us agree with, i want to make sure that one of our most important assets, the double lynch is used properly.The reason that im not analysing or giving my thoughs on analysis is because im very very very bad, ask BC, ver, qatol hell 99% of people that have played mafia with me would say im one of the worst. I feel that any of my "analysis" if you want to call it that would just detract attention from good people like BC, Ace, caller, incog, ROL etc, hence me not posting analysis or my thoughts on it, ive been doing this after my first game of mafia.And in regards to my votes I thought it was pretty obvious when i voted that i wasnt done reading the thread, i voted for caller because where i was up to in the thead he hadn't posted once. After a few pages i wanted to change my vote, changed it to abstain but i didnt read the rules, so i changed it to a good friend of mine BC (for the lols ) as a filler till i was done reading the thread and could make a proper decision to who should be lynched, and i felt like that should have been juganI voted caller because reading through the thread when someone claiming to be a DT calls out someone as being scum, you're going to catch at least one mafia. If Ace is a DT then we get caller as mafia, if not we know that Ace is mafia getting rid of caller. Thats why i said in the votes thread, what motbob said which refered to "Caller and then Ace if Caller flips green" So theres my train of thought in asking everyone for their reasoning, thoughts, analysis. Mine isnt going to do the town any good and at the moment with the main players clashing heads without sugesting something town can't move forward as well as we can - Last three posts also have been spammy. Thoughts: Not an active player; and not a good player at that. These two elements make him a player who we don't really care about. This could mean that he would get the FoS the least during the later days since the town is mostly focusing on players who posted a lot so we could try to find discrepancies within their posts. He has not given one bit of helpful advice for the town, and it seems like he doesn't want to start trying. Final Conclusions: Just because he's bad at the game does not mean he should not try to get better. He seems to just stay on the down low and post at random times with no accusations or thoughts. I'm thinking he could be a quiet Mafia, therefore we should think of lynching him. Bill Murray + Show Spoiler + General Points: - Posts consist mostly on one-liners. - Tries to start a bunch of bandwagons, but does not work + Show Spoiler + On April 20 2010 06:11 Bill Murray wrote: I don't understand this at fucking all. When you are green you have big posts, and I had you written off as green, but your shift towards smaller posts is AWAY from your green meta and really had me thinking that you are red. Let's lynch KF91. Well, I don't find you annoying, but when you are green you tend to come out and actually accuse people instead of squirming and getting defensive with very short posts. When you are green you craft elaborate posts, and you are not doing that, so therefore you will flip scum when we lynch you. + Show Spoiler + On April 21 2010 11:16 Bill Murray wrote: This just means we have to work harder to win, but i'm worried that there's no town circle forming. veterans like ace and bc need to get off their asses and actually do something instead of appearing bored and letting the town go to shit. since you guys aren't stepping it up, i'll have to. since i know i'm green, we can create a town circle around me. I'm not asking you to roleclaim to me, but if you are a member of this town, and want to contribute and win then u need to listen to me. We need to get rid of people who aren't stepping up to the plate. these players are supposed to be good and helpful players but instead they are not helping or are just posting garbage: Tree.Hugger, Ace, BC, Infundibulum, There are also people who have scummy suspicious posts or are strangely quiet like meeple, Zona, abenson, or KF91 This post feels pretty squirmy to me Also, Meeple, when you said "" How on earth do you KNOW that? Let's lynch Meeple. Thoughts: As usual, BM is still random and does not like to throw out plans that much. He hasn't been that active for the past two days, and hasn't given much substance in his posts. I've only played one other mafia game with him before, but it seems like that he is less accusatory than before. I'm not sure if he's just laying low, or if he is actually busy in real life, but it is something to take note of. He didn't make much arguments, so it's not clear to me if he's taking anyone's side. Final Conclusions: It looks like he's just acting normal (Been a little inactive for the past two days, but I guess we can excuse that?). No one he blamed has been confirmed scum yet, so we don't know if his predictions are correct. I'm pretty sure that he is a Townie once again. Fishball + Show Spoiler + General Points: - Most posts are spammy and one-liners - Nothing of real substance. - Asks for an analysis of himself. + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2010 03:42 Fishball wrote: I'm bored. Someone analyze me. - A little squirmy. + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2010 18:16 Fishball wrote: No analysis. I'm just mainly tagging along for the joy ride. There is no "fake" activity. Zbot is awesome, because it is? Can it not just be a simple compliment? Motbob is the only person I'm pointing fingers at if you wanted something from me. Thoughts: Umm... Another useless player. He has not given anything to the town to work with, and there is little to no substance within in posts (Mostly none). When Incognito does an analysis of him, he does get a little squirmy and responds quickly rather than full explanations of his actions. Final Conclusions: Another player who doesn't like to think while they are playing. Actually, now that I think about it, I think we could see a high chance of Fishball being mafia. He's really spammy throughout the game and then when someone accuses him, he gets a bit squirmy. RaGe + Show Spoiler + General Points: - Initiator of the inactive lynch on Day 1. + Show Spoiler + On April 20 2010 02:59 RaGe wrote: We really need a change of attitude here imo. I propose a town-wide ban (with lynching if not lived by) on accusations/analysis of previous posts until Day 2, and a lynch of the currently least active, most voted person RebirthOfLegend Because let's face it, we're not going to be able to have enough of us agree on an already suspicious person to be able to lynch him on day 1, and we're only helping mafia decide which townies to snipe atm. This would help us focus on getting a decent plan together for the rest of the game. - Does a great analysis on what Infun said before he was lynched (Not gunna bother posting that here; it's too long and it wasn't too long before this post.) Thoughts: His posts seem very pro-town to me. He's providing excellent information for the town he was the only person that was able to get the ball rolling on Day 1. He was also the one promoting activity towards everyone in the town (Saying that we should red BC's, RoL's and BM's posts). Although he has not been too active, I think that his posts are very beneficial towards the town. Final Conclusions: From what I can see from RaGe, I'm leaning more towards the Townie side with him. He is able to post with clear thoughts and he is one of the few people who were able to stir the town into action. Scamp + Show Spoiler + General Points: - Not that much activity - Follows along with Incognito's analysis plan. (Analyzes Abenson) + Show Spoiler + On April 21 2010 20:58 Scamp wrote: Alrighty, I've been asked to take a look at Abenson since he's directly below me on the list. This is a horrible person to try and analyze because not only has a lot of people already done it for me, but he hasn't posted anything since those people spoke on him. It is interesting to note that he did propose to keep Caller around noting: "If he's not mafia he'll benefit us." He also thinks BM's assassin plan is dumb but in his final post he's willing to discuss it. So, there really isn't much to go on with him this game IMO. He's either confused town or confused scum. Honestly, I'd actually consider him being an assassin based on what he's said so far. Not liking the last five pages or so at all. Just a lot of people bickering at each other and the same names popping up over and over. It's all a major distraction, and I have no idea what it's supposed to be distracting from. Shame on every townie that's willingly a part of it, what the hell do you think you're doing? I also wonder why Bill Murray seems to have dropped his plan so suddenly and willingly. I have to confess that it didn't make sense to me, so maybe I missed something, but I don't think that anything that has happened so far should have derailed the plan as he proposed it. And now for the centerpiece: Ace and Caller. I actually really like Caller's defense but as he noted there really isn't any defending him now. If Ace is mafia trying to BS us then I'll happily take one mislynch now for a dead mafia the next day, whether by lynch or by vig shot. And if Ace is a townie or assassin or whatever trying to BS us, then I'll seriously have to think about playing with him ever again. -Asks (twice) why BM dropped his plan from Day 1. + Show Spoiler + On April 21 2010 20:58 Scamp wrote: I also wonder why Bill Murray seems to have dropped his plan so suddenly and willingly. I have to confess that it didn't make sense to me, so maybe I missed something, but I don't think that anything that has happened so far should have derailed the plan as he proposed it. + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2010 05:52 Scamp wrote: Also Bill Murray, why have you abandoned your plan from day 1 that I never quite understood? Thoughts: Doesn't offer much to the town. No plans or analysis for us to look at. Normally, I would just leave someone like this as a useless townie, but the one thing that caught my attention is that he kept asking why BM did not implement his plan. Personally, I think BM posted his plan just to get the conversation going, but the fact that Scamp keeps asking about this tells us one of two things: 1) He has nothing to talk about so he just keeps bringing up the most random thing from the past, or 2) He is mafia and he was in approval with the chaos that BM's plan could have caused. Oh wait, I just found something else with Scamp: + Show Spoiler + On April 18 2010 01:49 Scamp wrote: Basic plan: Kill the guy who asks too many questions. But really, now we're just going to get a bunch of differing opinions from either helpful townies or mafia who want to look like they're contributing and no good information will be learned. Anyway, from my experience in mafia inactivity is usually a great way to get lynched, because not only are you a detriment to the town but you're also a ruiner of the game in general. Other than that, people actually tend to rely on meta-gamey stuff such as if your name is L, you find a way to kill Ace. Even after saying this, he himself has not followed with his statement and decided to stay under the radar. Final Conclusions: From his posting style and what has been saying in them, I am going to say that he is a Mafia. Ace + Show Spoiler + Pretty much confirmed DT. I don't want to waste time trying to analyse him. If someone REALLY wants me to do it, I guess I could. But for now, I'm just going to say that he's a Detective. meeple + Show Spoiler + Holy shit. This is going to take a while. Too tired to continue this right now. I'll start the latter half of the players starting with meeple later. tl;dr Version: + Show Spoiler + I'm thinking Scaramanga, Fishball and Scamp are Mafia. and when i say "actually do something" i mean like this i know kf91 could be mafia trying to make himself look constructive, but this is very pro-town | ||
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On April 25 2010 04:47 Ace wrote: So if you aren't a careful reader how can your scumdar be better than mine? I'm not checking useless people. I'm narrowing down that list of 8 or checking people that in the event I die some time soon I can tell everyone "ok this person showed up town" and that's that. while i do believe that this is the best case scenario, it is not foolproof | ||
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On April 25 2010 09:36 nbtnbt5 wrote: Oh lol, 2 millers mistakened for Mafia.... | ||
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On April 25 2010 11:22 Qatol wrote: Nope. Killing the godfather just gives you confidence that if a rolecheck comes out green/blue, that person is actually green/blue. The game is over when: a) There are no mafia members alive, or b) The mafia outnumber the town c) massive lightningstorms | ||
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On April 25 2010 13:19 d3_crescentia wrote: Maybe you should stop pointing the finger at other people and actually post something yourself? I've been waiting since Day 1 for you to actually start looking for scum and what have you done since then? Make some half-assed post about how you're going to 'step up' because no one else is, while claiming you're green every other line? Hypocrisy at its' finest here. Then there's an amusing little diversion about how Ace actually could have been an Assassin - but it's not like it really matters, as even you yourself note. What ARE you good for, then? You know what, maybe you actually ARE town this game and just trolling around. Maybe you'll be town next game as well, and maybe for the one after that. But one of these days - and the day WILL come, mark my words, Bill - you'll turn out to be as red as a baboon's behind, and full of just as much BS. And on that day, you'll let something slip, or you'll make a mistake, or someone won't put up with your crap anymore - and suddenly you'll realize that you're very, very screwed. And I'll be waiting for that time to come, just so I can enjoy every moment of watching you squirm as it all comes crashing down around you. Mark my words, Bill. Current thoughts: First, Ace's list. The task he's asked everyone to do is to pore over Incognito, Scamp and madnessman's posts before/after the jpak vote while he looks to clear the first 7 of the list. By the way, Ace, l2count - there's 10 on your final list, not 8; and then, CynanMachae is dead. Since BC flipped Miller and not mafia the validity of the reasoning for analyzing this list becomes slightly weaker, though it's still a good place to start as far as checking people goes. Actually, let's take a look at the last three on the list - specifically, madnessman has a couple of rather large gaps in posting. The first one is around *gasp* the jpak vote. After that, he puts his doubts on Ace's claim, before doing a complete 180 in opinion as soon as Ace names Caller as mafia. He makes a few one liners after that and then vanishes until attention was brought back to him by Ace's list. And even then, he comments on why he voted jpak again as opposed to anything else before then. Scamp - I am thinking Ace wanted to call to attention to the "either it's jpak or nothing, so I'll go with jpak" comment and subsequent silence afterward. I don't really read much into this comment, actually. What actually bothers me more is the lack of posting here. Incognito - I actually don't see much to latch onto here as far as the jpak vote goes. As for recent events... Incognito claims he took a hit last night. Depending on what he actually claims this can confirm the presence of a medic in the game, which is good, and the protect goes on Ace; at the very least we get less dead people and thus a little more leeway to lynch. While we're talking about Incognito - let's stay at least a little skeptical of his claim, though based on my gut I'd like trust him. Second, our plan for tonight: medic(s) protect Ace. At best he lives, checks someone else, and we only lose two townies. Somewhere in the middle is losing 3 Townies; somewhere after that is losing our medic. Worst of all would be losing our medic AND DT (though we only suffer two deaths then). Let's take that worst-case scenario. We'd be 11-6 with a double-lynch on the way, and not as much information to go off of. Missing both lynches would be completely unacceptable; going 1-1 is still winnable though we'd have to have the town completely unified and go for a double-lynch again. Stop. Is it advantageous to use a double-lynch tomorrow? Only so long as we can get two mafia. Do we have two candidates for lynch? Ace had mentioned a mass-roleclaim tomorrow, which I think if implemented should help greatly in that regard... but do we still want to go through with a double? I'm not sure anymore - anyone else want to chime in on this? Let me go back to Ace's list for a second: Fishball KF91 d3_crescentia Osmoses meeple BrownBear Incognito Scamp madnessman Both Osmoses and madnessman have been somewhat MIA; I am thinking there's something odd about this. Osmoses has cited that he's going to be busy a while back; I'd like to hear from him before we make any judgments. My thoughts on madnessman you can read above. Fishball's accusations look particularly questionable, as Ace is pretty much all-but-confirmed. I'm thinking the latter two are the ones we should be looking at in particular from this list, and maybe Osmoses if he doesn't check in with us soon. Last thing I want to mention - though I've been looking at this from Ace's approach, I think there's a different way of going about it, which I'll try sometime tomorrow morning. I figured either Ace or RoL weren't a detective... Excuse me for having a life. | ||
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doesnt like me plan analyzes the setup proposes lynching a useless noob gets onto Jugan, and wants Jugan lynched is suspicious of me, caller, RoL, and Jugan wants to lynch jpak then he composes the arguments of people who have died, and he seems really protown... i had him kinda written off, but he did this, so I believe he is probably green On April 21 2010 12:19 d3_crescentia wrote: Alright, so we're lynching meeple because he's an indecisive flip-flopper speaking in ambiguous language? Considering Jugan was just modkilled and flipped green, I don't think we should take his 'team player' comment to seriously. I like Incognito's idea about forced post analysis, though I'm still digesting the results of Night 1. Seriously, 3 blues dead and no one bats an eye? Granted we (or rather, Foolishness) got TheLardyGooser, but I'm still feeling things are a bit more stressed than I'd like going into Day 2. Summary of arguments from dead people, taken from the archives. I'm fairly sure that the archive needs to be updated, so it could be updated with any other posts in the thread, but I'd rather sleep first. CynanMachae - suspects TheLardyGooser - pro-inactive lynching - agrees with Incognito on Osmoses - dislikes RoL bandwagon Radfield - contributes to double-lynch discussion (use double lynch early?) - advocates inactive Day 1 lynch - anti-BM plan, suspicious of him - takes notes of particular bandwagoners (darththienan, meeple, infundibulum, scamp, jadefist) - speaks in defense of RaGe - FoS on AcrossFiveJulys Foolishness - is fairly critical of meeple re: lynches (though this was a misunderstanding?) - FoS on TheLardyGooser (and eventually killed him) - misunderstanding between him/Incognito about spam posting - FoS on RaGe for previous discussion [nyc]hobbes - against double-lynch on Day 3 - argument with Jugan - for lynching inactives on Day 1 Any common threads here? Both Foolishness and CynanMachae spoke out against TheLardyGooser; Foolishness and Radfield both took note of meeple - albeit for different reasons, and one of those reasons potentially being faulty. More importantly though, I think Radfield had the right idea with looking at the vote list for bandwagoners. We're discussing meeple right now, whom I feel we have a good case for; I'd also like to look at Darth, Scamp and Inf, all of whom I'll leave for the morning unless some kind soul decides to do it for me. As for JadeFist... well, no matter what color he flips his action was just really, really DUMB and he should be probably be killed for it. | ||
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On April 27 2010 13:52 Scamp wrote: In fact, the only people he seems to have had any feelings about are Zona/Rage/KF91. you're taking my thing with rage completely out of fucking context what i said to rage was a JOKE relating to the fact that his icon is red maybe you should learn how to read the passages where they occurred in the thread, or not completely take them out of context, but i guess that's your agenda since you're obv scum and we as a town need to lynch you. | ||
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On April 29 2010 07:46 d3_crescentia wrote: We're grasping at straws here, after BrownBear flipped blue. Who do we have as candidates? Scaramanga? nbtnbt5? I've outlined in a previous post that we should be okay lynching a townie today so long as we get two tomorrow, but the logic no longer applies because BrownBear's already dead. We're now looking at a situation where if we mislynch today we lose, even if we manage to hit both lynches tomorrow and all of our subsequent ones. As for Scamp, it's posting like this: That gets you cast under suspicion. It essentially amounts to "I guess Scaramanga could be mafia but maybe not??" i really dont see why youre putting FoS on him, yet voting for me... makes no sense. i am one of the most obvious town players remaining. people should really just vote with me, lynch scamp, and ride my coattails to victory. he is obviously scum, and has been detracting from and derailing the thread from the get go with his shitty one liners. not only that, but he is trying to wagon someone for being inactive/noob in a lylo situation. that's OBVIOUS scum. | ||
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On May 02 2010 04:31 d3_crescentia wrote: how was it not obvious you were the godfather when you even claimed that you were that was completely out of context i was implying BC was a mafia godfather. i'll admit that it sounded like i said i was LOL | ||
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for MVP i'm going to vote for infundibulum. for LVP i'm going to vote for BC. | ||
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that isn't to say "His red play is bad." but rather "His town play is that good." | ||
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