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Bill Murray
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On April 19 2010 17:28 Jugan wrote: As of now, I doubt the vote will matter. Just save it and observe. yeah, right now it's 20 to lynch, votes don't matter until we start getting to like L-4 or less or closer to the deadline. I'm obviously a townie, and have been one of the most helpful in the town besides perhaps bloodc0bbler, so if you want to lynch someone who is fucking obviously green and waste a town lynch go ahead. | ||
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On April 19 2010 17:57 meeple wrote: Wow man.. those last two posts really needed to be seperate eh? BM, you get this shit every game because you're annoying to play with, green or not. Yes. I thought of one, then I thought of the other. Regardless of how annoying I am or not, do you want to get off your ass and help? | ||
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On April 19 2010 18:55 Radfield wrote: OK, then lets focus on one person at a time. First off, I don't think his statements about the double lynch are particularly scummy. We were discussing them at the time, and it DOES make some sense in a way to save them for when we have better information; better chance of netting two bad guys. Mind you, i'm against the idea and think we should use our first one at the earliest opportunity. However, what did jump out at me ealier was this post: To my mind, Zona seemed quite legit at that point, and more importantly this was a bandwaggon vote, given that Bill Murray had stated he was voting Zona just prior. It seemed suspicious then so i noted it down. The more I think about it, I do get townie vibes from you because of you putting FoS onto Osmoses. Being a little more experienced than you, and take this with a grain of salt because I am not the best town player as my play always appears scummy when im green, you shouldn't read into day 1 votes because it is the random voting stage of the game. analyze the wagons after someone is dead, though, as you can see patterns emerge. I've actually found a couple people on mafiascum that way. | ||
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On April 20 2010 02:59 RaGe wrote: We really need a change of attitude here imo. I propose a town-wide ban (with lynching if not lived by) on accusations/analysis of previous posts until Day 2, and a lynch of the currently least active, most voted person RebirthOfLegend Because let's face it, we're not going to be able to have enough of us agree on an already suspicious person to be able to lynch him on day 1, and we're only helping mafia decide which townies to snipe atm. This would help us focus on getting a decent plan together for the rest of the game. you are so red | ||
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i thought he was blue | ||
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On April 20 2010 04:07 RaGe wrote: .. thanks? Way to continue your spree of just spreading confusion. If you come up with a reason why this would hurt town I'll happily listen. But you just continue the problem I addressed. Is this really what you're going to do all mafia game? Call people out, offer no reasoning and when people call you out you either whine about being always accused or go "yeah just lynch me i'll be green". Town, we must unite. If my proposition doesn't suit you, shoot it down with reasoning. If we're going to allow any idea to be shot down with 'you are so red' I have no idea how people want to achieve something. If behavior inherently disrupts the town's chances of winning we should not hesitate to banish it. i was making a joke about you being a red moderator, man. am i going to "Call people out, offer no reasoning and when people call you out you either whine about being always accused or go "yeah just lynch me i'll be green"." that would be my normal behavior, yea, glad you picked up on that. i'll make my good cases on later days when I have more information on who is mafia | ||
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On April 20 2010 04:20 Caller wrote: I propose that we lynch all players that have a tag: Reasoning: Judging from the past few mafia games, either the third person or fourth person on a bandwagon is scum. Just pointing this out. I do feel like the RoL wagon probably has scum on it | ||
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On April 20 2010 03:59 d3_crescentia wrote: Posting from work, which is not blocking TL today. I am getting increasingly concerned that there are 10+ inactives lurking out there and that we have 25 votes though they're entirely scattered across the board. Who are our main candidates for lynch, and who's voting for them? 1. Caller - Ace, nai.Protoss, Jadefist I don't really see what Ace saw in Caller's posts, and with him not around at this point in time to explain his accusations I don't really think this lynch is really going to go anywhere. I've already expressed my concerns about Jadefist's vote here, but there really isn't much to do with that. As for nai.Protoss it just seems he's vote-retaliating, but that's hardly of use to anyone right now. 2. Bill Murray - motbob, AcrossFiveJulys, meeple Alright, now for some real meat-and-potatoes. BM was the author of that fine work, the Assassin plan, and thanks to the heroic actions of our fellow townies we've beaten that horse to death. Seems that all of the votes have been due to that one plan, and no one's really bothered to change since. Then there's Radfield's concerns, which are common to games with Bill as a participant, but does that change the fact that they've been equally valid across all aforementioned games? Supposedly, he's improved in the last few games, but where's the proof in this game? 3. Jugan - love1another, myself, Scaramanga, jpak I'm actually very, very concerned about this group of voters. I stated my original reasons (bad posting/semi-inactivity) for voting Jugan, and now that he's actually making an effort to participate I'm turning my attention to other inactives to try and get them to post. But the fact that love1another and jpak haven't been posting in the thread about their vote reasoning is disconcerting. Scaramanga's reasoning feels similar to mine, but I do wish he'd post more so we can keep an eye on him as well. 4. RoL - Fishball, Rage, IntoTheWow, Falcynn, DarthThienAn, TheLardyGooser As funny as getting a gang-rape train on RoL would be after his little post in the vote thread, I feel bad for the guy, since it'd be the the second game in a row that this shit's happened to him. I suppose that's what he gets for not posting, but I'll have reservations about following through with the lynch if he actually decides to speak up. Here's what I propose: we forget about Caller/Jugan for now, and the town consolidates its votes on either RoL or BM, so we don't face a no-lynch scenario at the end of the day. I'll be voting for BM currently, because I've yet to see a difference in his play so far. it's day 1 bro... the difference is i'm not taking day 1 seriously. what cases can i possibly make with no information? Also, why are you so considered to get a lynch right now? We have tons of time before the deadline. Care to explain? | ||
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On April 20 2010 04:26 KF91 wrote: Alright, I know RaGe suggested a ban on the analysis posts until Day 2 (And I'm fine with the plan he proposed of lynching RoL, since he hasn't been here at all :/), but I'm just making this post I guess as a reference for Day 2. Jugan Most noticeable is the posting difference in Jugan. He somehow goes from spamming one-liners to actually phrasing his thoughts into readable sentences: He goes from this: to this: + Show Spoiler + On April 19 2010 13:51 Jugan wrote: I'm sure he understands that he made a mistake now, so let's leave it at that and open the discussion to something that will help steer us in the correct direction. As I stated earlier in the thread (not picking on you, just using this as an example), a person being less active than other people in the game at this stage is normal. It's only the first night, taking a tally of those who appear to be either lurking or inactive will help none. The mods will deal with those who are inactive (i.e. reminders/modkills). For those of you who don't know, people have things in real life to do: Go to school Socialize Take care of animals Set houses on fire Which means that they will be unable to devote as much time to the game as others will. Additionally, newer players will, understandably, want to get a feel for the game before putting themselves out there. While it is entirely possible that a person's seeming "inactivity" can be an indicator of a mafia member, please take great care in jumping to conclusions and making assumptions. I hope this serves as a reality call and a reminder for some players, IntoTheWow. But not much has changed; he really isn't giving much ideas towards the town, but mainly arguing with people in the game. I'm not sure if I'm 100% right, but the turning point of his posting behaviour is after Caller pretty much abuses him verbally. What's interesting to note is that Jugan has little to no interaction with Caller after this. (Rarely mentions him) I honestly don't really understand why he continues to hate on me for being "annoying" when I (In my point of view) haven't done anything to a far extent to annoy him. And yet he continues hold his vote on me :/ Plus, please try to calm down and try not to bring emotions into the game too much (Mostly directed at your bashing on IntoTheWow) What Incognito Said About Osmoses As to what Incognito had said about Osmoses, that's a good observation made on him, but I don't think Osmoses is trying to pull off what you said. From what I can see, I think Osmoses is putting in effort and trying to contribute to the town. We should wait until he posts a little bit more so that we can get a concrete reason to lynch him (If he seems scummier by the post). BC's Post About Inactives I think Rage is doing something right here and he doesn't seem that scummy to me. The town needed a plan, and here we have one. It's better that the town lynches a random and hope to get a mafia than no lynch at all. Remember, although the chances of getting a mafia with a random lynch is around 20%, the chances of getting a mafia with no lynch is 0%. But I do have to agree with you about RoL. When I played with him in the Micro-Mafia, he was very active; and now, it honestly feels like he died or something O.o And finally to Rage, BM is always like that; try to take it as the comedic side of mafia games. XD good analysis, but where's the FoS? you're not really calling anyone out. Your light FoS on Jugan (if you can even call it that) for changing his post style is actually indicative of him trying to be helpful to the town. | ||
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On April 19 2010 11:25 tree.hugger wrote: For all the talk earlier on about the role of assassins in the town, I think we need to understand that while assassin posting should aim towards prolonging the game; the town can't rely on the the assassins to act on the town's behalf. But here's something for dts to think about. If you role-check an assassin, you should definitely get in contact with them. Remember that: Which means that finding an assassin can help you find other townies with which you can begin to develop a town circle. Not only that, but since the assassin's objective has absolutely no bearing on the game as a whole, detectives should be able to work in a pro-town way with the assassin. Remember that assassin hits... ... don't count against the assassin's total if they correctly hit another assassin. Therefore, detectives should be able to, if you play your card right, get the assassin to take out some spare mafia as well. Therefore, DETECTIVES: A) Rolecheck an assassin B) Establish contact C) Establish quid-pro-quo D) Provide names, receive names E) Establish more contacts F) Order hits Objections to this plan? Yes, I have an objection to this plan. Let's assume you're a detective: you can't out yourself in the thread or you will die. Let's assume you're another town role: you won't be able to find out who they are Let's assume you're an assassin lying about being a detective: This would really benefit you My objection to this plan is that the only person it would benefit is a lying assassin, which I am labeling you as | ||
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On April 20 2010 04:36 CynanMachae wrote: Oh I also forgot to point out that I'm hesitating putting my vote on RoL right now because 3 of those voting for him are among the players I find likely red (IntoTheWow, Rage and TheLardyLooser) On April 20 2010 04:21 Bill Murray wrote: I do feel like the RoL wagon probably has scum on it looks like we're agreeing | ||
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