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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 19 2010 08:45 GMT
#612
On April 19 2010 17:28 Jugan wrote:
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On April 19 2010 17:21 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
I still have my suspicions about BM, but I'm willing to change my vote to lynch an inactive due to good reasons brought up numerous times in the last few pages.


As of now, I doubt the vote will matter. Just save it and observe.


yeah, right now it's 20 to lynch, votes don't matter until we start getting to like L-4 or less or closer to the deadline. I'm obviously a townie, and have been one of the most helpful in the town besides perhaps bloodc0bbler, so if you want to lynch someone who is fucking obviously green and waste a town lynch go ahead.
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 19 2010 08:46 GMT
#613
i get this shit every game i'm so tired of people accusing me when im trying to help the town
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 19 2010 09:11 GMT
#615
On April 19 2010 17:57 meeple wrote:
Wow man.. those last two posts really needed to be seperate eh?

BM, you get this shit every game because you're annoying to play with, green or not.


Yes. I thought of one, then I thought of the other.

Regardless of how annoying I am or not, do you want to get off your ass and help?
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 19 2010 09:15 GMT
#617
jugan, does it make u suspicious of meeple because he's attacking 2 of the most obvious townies?
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 19 2010 09:38 GMT
#621
ok. yeah it's 5 am here, i'm a bit cranky too. watching KT vs Woongjin has cheered me up tho
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 19 2010 10:19 GMT
#624
did someone really just read into my voting? you should go read TL Mafia XX LOL
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 19 2010 10:34 GMT
#626
On April 19 2010 18:55 Radfield wrote:
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On April 19 2010 13:53 Incognito wrote:
Ok. Time for some stuff.

First of all, theres a lot of people moaning that we should just lynch an inactive because we don't have enough information. These people should step it up. There is actually quite a bit of information out here to analyze. So instead of waiting for one of us to come up and hand you the information on a plate, please try to go through and look through posts organized by user.

First off, innocents.

A few people have caught my attention as very likely innocents. These people are:

Zona
BC
d3_crescentia
Caller

All the people on this list have been posting rationally. (Ace would probably disagree with me on this about Caller, but from what I remember from Caller's previous games, he didn't post like this as mafia).

Time to pull out the accusation gun.

Osmoses:

On April 18 2010 07:08 Osmoses wrote:
I'm a total newbie but wouldn't it make more sense to save double lynches as late as possible, when you have solid info to go on?


This is his first real post. He plays the I'm a newbie card, and proceeds to ask a question that is already being discussed. No contribution here. He also makes preemptive excuses for his posting, emphasizing that he is a newbie, but...you get the picture. Check out TL Mafia V for an example of Tricode pulling the same stunt. From experience, new pro-town players would not try to emphasize their newbiness, as it adds a burden for the town. On the other hand, new mafia players tend to use this to excuse their useless behavior. Panic usually sets in and they try to play the im confused card.

On April 19 2010 05:58 Osmoses wrote:
Assassins will influence politics, trying to gear lynches in their favor against the ones they suspect to be assassins... Basically they will be the very annoying players that you can't really pin as scum or townie because they have double agendas. They may just appear confused or stupid, I mean they'd have to cook up some pretty elaborate schemes to sway the votes in the favor of someone they want killed if that person doesn't act like scum.

Its really pretty tiring trying to figure out who's what and who and why with such little information, and no clues -_- The only effect assassins have on the town is their votes and their influence, but lynching the right guy seems hard enough already, so if they do sway the vote we might just get a scum anyway... Should we really even be worrying about them? Their night kills, having only 2, will surely be spent on someone they truly believe to be an assassin, so as not to waste them, and the longer the game goes the closer the odds get to 50%. Those seems like good odds.


More confusion. How ironic. Anyway...Ok...So its tiring trying to find out who is who...but you haven't said anything yet about what you HAVE found out. Oh you also say there's little information to go on? Yeah I'm sure its very tiring to look for information that's not there...in which case you might as well just have given up. Oops! Well, if you're so tired trying to information, surely you must have found at least something. Spit it out. We want to hear it.

Anyway, thats the one person who stuck out in my mind. Everyone should be looking for information instead of lying around and complaining how there is no information. Some information is there. And some of it we have to bring out so we get more information. From experience, mafia games are usually more stagnant when theres no pms. You can't call people out as effectively as you can in pmland, partially because of spam, and partially because people don't feel inclined to respond when theres more than one accusation out there. So for now, I'm going to switch strategies and only try to focus on one suspect at a time. I expect responses.



OK, then lets focus on one person at a time. First off, I don't think his statements about the double lynch are particularly scummy. We were discussing them at the time, and it DOES make some sense in a way to save them for when we have better information; better chance of netting two bad guys. Mind you, i'm against the idea and think we should use our first one at the earliest opportunity.

However, what did jump out at me ealier was this post:

Show nested quote +
On April 18 2010 17:18 Osmoses wrote:
I'm suspicious of Zona, his attack on BC seems forced somehow, too condescending, but also too fervent for both to be scum. Why is everyone, that is to say BM, focusing on the assasins anyway? It seems to me they are very unlikely to win in the end, as they will probably be lynched or killed by other assassins well before the end of the game.

Here's my supergenius plan: lynch the least active player, it's the quiet ones you gotta watch!



To my mind, Zona seemed quite legit at that point, and more importantly this was a bandwaggon vote, given that Bill Murray had stated he was voting Zona just prior. It seemed suspicious then so i noted it down.



The more I think about it, I do get townie vibes from you because of you putting FoS onto Osmoses. Being a little more experienced than you, and take this with a grain of salt because I am not the best town player as my play always appears scummy when im green, you shouldn't read into day 1 votes because it is the random voting stage of the game. analyze the wagons after someone is dead, though, as you can see patterns emerge. I've actually found a couple people on mafiascum that way.
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 19 2010 18:38 GMT
#640
On April 20 2010 02:59 RaGe wrote:
We really need a change of attitude here imo.

I propose a town-wide ban (with lynching if not lived by) on accusations/analysis of previous posts until Day 2, and a lynch of the currently least active, most voted person RebirthOfLegend

Because let's face it, we're not going to be able to have enough of us agree on an already suspicious person to be able to lynch him on day 1, and we're only helping mafia decide which townies to snipe atm.

This would help us focus on getting a decent plan together for the rest of the game.


you are so red
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 19 2010 18:53 GMT
#647
On April 20 2010 03:51 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2010 03:38 Bill Murray wrote:
On April 20 2010 02:59 RaGe wrote:
We really need a change of attitude here imo.

I propose a town-wide ban (with lynching if not lived by) on accusations/analysis of previous posts until Day 2, and a lynch of the currently least active, most voted person RebirthOfLegend

Because let's face it, we're not going to be able to have enough of us agree on an already suspicious person to be able to lynch him on day 1, and we're only helping mafia decide which townies to snipe atm.

This would help us focus on getting a decent plan together for the rest of the game.


you are so red


So is motbob. hurr durr


i thought he was blue
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 19 2010 18:53 GMT
#648
lol
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 19 2010 19:21 GMT
#654
On April 20 2010 04:07 RaGe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2010 03:38 Bill Murray wrote:
On April 20 2010 02:59 RaGe wrote:
We really need a change of attitude here imo.

I propose a town-wide ban (with lynching if not lived by) on accusations/analysis of previous posts until Day 2, and a lynch of the currently least active, most voted person RebirthOfLegend

Because let's face it, we're not going to be able to have enough of us agree on an already suspicious person to be able to lynch him on day 1, and we're only helping mafia decide which townies to snipe atm.

This would help us focus on getting a decent plan together for the rest of the game.


you are so red



.. thanks?

Way to continue your spree of just spreading confusion. If you come up with a reason why this would hurt town I'll happily listen. But you just continue the problem I addressed.

Is this really what you're going to do all mafia game? Call people out, offer no reasoning and when people call you out you either whine about being always accused or go "yeah just lynch me i'll be green".

Town, we must unite. If my proposition doesn't suit you, shoot it down with reasoning. If we're going to allow any idea to be shot down with 'you are so red' I have no idea how people want to achieve something.

If behavior inherently disrupts the town's chances of winning we should not hesitate to banish it.



i was making a joke about you being a red moderator, man.


am i going to "Call people out, offer no reasoning and when people call you out you either whine about being always accused or go "yeah just lynch me i'll be green"."

that would be my normal behavior, yea, glad you picked up on that. i'll make my good cases on later days when I have more information on who is mafia

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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 19 2010 19:21 GMT
#655
On April 20 2010 04:20 Caller wrote:
I propose that we lynch all players that have a tag:

Reasoning:

Show nested quote +

RebirthOfLegend (4)
BloodyC0bbler
Fishball
RaGe
IntoTheWow

Falcynn


Judging from the past few mafia games, either the third person or fourth person on a bandwagon is scum. Just pointing this out.


I do feel like the RoL wagon probably has scum on it
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 19 2010 19:24 GMT
#656
On April 20 2010 03:59 d3_crescentia wrote:
Posting from work, which is not blocking TL today. I am getting increasingly concerned that there are 10+ inactives lurking out there and that we have 25 votes though they're entirely scattered across the board.

Who are our main candidates for lynch, and who's voting for them?

1. Caller - Ace, nai.Protoss, Jadefist

I don't really see what Ace saw in Caller's posts, and with him not around at this point in time to explain his accusations I don't really think this lynch is really going to go anywhere. I've already expressed my concerns about Jadefist's vote here, but there really isn't much to do with that. As for nai.Protoss it just seems he's vote-retaliating, but that's hardly of use to anyone right now.

2. Bill Murray - motbob, AcrossFiveJulys, meeple

Alright, now for some real meat-and-potatoes. BM was the author of that fine work, the Assassin plan, and thanks to the heroic actions of our fellow townies we've beaten that horse to death. Seems that all of the votes have been due to that one plan, and no one's really bothered to change since. Then there's Radfield's concerns, which are common to games with Bill as a participant, but does that change the fact that they've been equally valid across all aforementioned games? Supposedly, he's improved in the last few games, but where's the proof in this game?

3. Jugan - love1another, myself, Scaramanga, jpak

I'm actually very, very concerned about this group of voters. I stated my original reasons (bad posting/semi-inactivity) for voting Jugan, and now that he's actually making an effort to participate I'm turning my attention to other inactives to try and get them to post. But the fact that love1another and jpak haven't been posting in the thread about their vote reasoning is disconcerting. Scaramanga's reasoning feels similar to mine, but I do wish he'd post more so we can keep an eye on him as well.

4. RoL - Fishball, Rage, IntoTheWow, Falcynn, DarthThienAn, TheLardyGooser

As funny as getting a gang-rape train on RoL would be after his little post in the vote thread, I feel bad for the guy, since it'd be the the second game in a row that this shit's happened to him. I suppose that's what he gets for not posting, but I'll have reservations about following through with the lynch if he actually decides to speak up.

Here's what I propose: we forget about Caller/Jugan for now, and the town consolidates its votes on either RoL or BM, so we don't face a no-lynch scenario at the end of the day. I'll be voting for BM currently, because I've yet to see a difference in his play so far.


it's day 1 bro... the difference is i'm not taking day 1 seriously. what cases can i possibly make with no information? Also, why are you so considered to get a lynch right now? We have tons of time before the deadline. Care to explain?
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 19 2010 19:24 GMT
#657
ebwop: concerned*
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 19 2010 19:25 GMT
#658
I'd also like to add that I get townie vibes from your entire list, crescentia.
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 19 2010 19:25 GMT
#659
well, besides maybe RoL, you can't get vibes from someone who is afk
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 19 2010 19:30 GMT
#662
On April 20 2010 04:26 KF91 wrote:
Alright, I know RaGe suggested a ban on the analysis posts until Day 2 (And I'm fine with the plan he proposed of lynching RoL, since he hasn't been here at all :/), but I'm just making this post I guess as a reference for Day 2.

Jugan

Most noticeable is the posting difference in Jugan. He somehow goes from spamming one-liners to actually phrasing his thoughts into readable sentences:

He goes from this:

Show nested quote +
On April 18 2010 11:08 Jugan wrote:
i say we lynch the KF91 guy. he's annoying.


to this:

+ Show Spoiler +
On April 19 2010 13:51 Jugan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2010 13:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 19 2010 13:44 tree.hugger wrote:
On April 19 2010 12:32 Scamp wrote:
Fun note: Tree.Hugger didn't read the rules!

Oh dammit.

I thought they had been put back in for some reason. I double checked, of course. Obviously.


Fun note, we had already discussed this earlier in the thread via my own major post. So you failed on two counts. Reading is fun.


I'm sure he understands that he made a mistake now, so let's leave it at that and open the discussion to something that will help steer us in the correct direction.


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On April 19 2010 13:07 [NyC]HoBbes wrote:
Quick defense of inactivity- was at a friend's weekend house since Friday, only checking TL on a mobile phone. Am going to sleep now, will be active on the thread tomorrow starting around 4-5 PM


As I stated earlier in the thread (not picking on you, just using this as an example), a person being less active than other people in the game at this stage is normal. It's only the first night, taking a tally of those who appear to be either lurking or inactive will help none. The mods will deal with those who are inactive (i.e. reminders/modkills). For those of you who don't know, people have things in real life to do:

Go to school
Socialize
Take care of animals
Set houses on fire

Which means that they will be unable to devote as much time to the game as others will. Additionally, newer players will, understandably, want to get a feel for the game before putting themselves out there. While it is entirely possible that a person's seeming "inactivity" can be an indicator of a mafia member, please take great care in jumping to conclusions and making assumptions. I hope this serves as a reality call and a reminder for some players, IntoTheWow.


But not much has changed; he really isn't giving much ideas towards the town, but mainly arguing with people in the game. I'm not sure if I'm 100% right, but the turning point of his posting behaviour is after Caller pretty much abuses him verbally. What's interesting to note is that Jugan has little to no interaction with Caller after this. (Rarely mentions him)

I honestly don't really understand why he continues to hate on me for being "annoying" when I (In my point of view) haven't done anything to a far extent to annoy him. And yet he continues hold his vote on me :/ Plus, please try to calm down and try not to bring emotions into the game too much (Mostly directed at your bashing on IntoTheWow)

What Incognito Said About Osmoses

As to what Incognito had said about Osmoses, that's a good observation made on him, but I don't think Osmoses is trying to pull off what you said. From what I can see, I think Osmoses is putting in effort and trying to contribute to the town. We should wait until he posts a little bit more so that we can get a concrete reason to lynch him (If he seems scummier by the post).

BC's Post About Inactives

Show nested quote +
On April 20 2010 03:59 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Rage has just started posting as of last page, to jump out of no where and point at RoL. This seems to me a very scummy sort of move.

RoL is really inactive, very off since hes normally really active.


I think Rage is doing something right here and he doesn't seem that scummy to me. The town needed a plan, and here we have one. It's better that the town lynches a random and hope to get a mafia than no lynch at all. Remember, although the chances of getting a mafia with a random lynch is around 20%, the chances of getting a mafia with no lynch is 0%.

But I do have to agree with you about RoL. When I played with him in the Micro-Mafia, he was very active; and now, it honestly feels like he died or something O.o

And finally to Rage, BM is always like that; try to take it as the comedic side of mafia games. XD


good analysis, but where's the FoS? you're not really calling anyone out. Your light FoS on Jugan (if you can even call it that) for changing his post style is actually indicative of him trying to be helpful to the town.
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 19 2010 19:35 GMT
#666
On April 19 2010 11:25 tree.hugger wrote:
For all the talk earlier on about the role of assassins in the town, I think we need to understand that while assassin posting should aim towards prolonging the game; the town can't rely on the the assassins to act on the town's behalf. But here's something for dts to think about.

If you role-check an assassin, you should definitely get in contact with them. Remember that:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2010 11:22 flamewheel91 wrote:
Each Assassin will have two role checks to use per game, and two night kills per game.


Which means that finding an assassin can help you find other townies with which you can begin to develop a town circle. Not only that, but since the assassin's objective has absolutely no bearing on the game as a whole, detectives should be able to work in a pro-town way with the assassin. Remember that assassin hits...
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2010 11:22 flamewheel91 wrote:
If you manage to kill another Assassin with your night kill, it will be refunded.

... don't count against the assassin's total if they correctly hit another assassin. Therefore, detectives should be able to, if you play your card right, get the assassin to take out some spare mafia as well.

Therefore, DETECTIVES:
A) Rolecheck an assassin
B) Establish contact
C) Establish quid-pro-quo
D) Provide names, receive names
E) Establish more contacts
F) Order hits

Objections to this plan?


Yes, I have an objection to this plan. Let's assume you're a detective: you can't out yourself in the thread or you will die.

Let's assume you're another town role: you won't be able to find out who they are

Let's assume you're an assassin lying about being a detective: This would really benefit you

My objection to this plan is that the only person it would benefit is a lying assassin, which I am labeling you as
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 19 2010 19:41 GMT
#668
On April 20 2010 04:36 CynanMachae wrote:
Oh I also forgot to point out that I'm hesitating putting my vote on RoL right now because 3 of those voting for him are among the players I find likely red (IntoTheWow, Rage and TheLardyLooser)


On April 20 2010 04:21 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2010 04:20 Caller wrote:
I propose that we lynch all players that have a tag:

Reasoning:


RebirthOfLegend (4)
BloodyC0bbler
Fishball
RaGe
IntoTheWow

Falcynn


Judging from the past few mafia games, either the third person or fourth person on a bandwagon is scum. Just pointing this out.


I do feel like the RoL wagon probably has scum on it



looks like we're agreeing
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 19 2010 19:45 GMT
#672
i wish i was scum, honestly, i'm always fucking green
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