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##vote citi.zen## | ||
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Will split this up into each players because this is taking longer than I expected. First, Fishball First thing that concerns me about Fishball is the way he made a vote on citizen. His first big post is nonsense argument that there are likely to be one Mafia on 1~3, and another around 5~7 due to probability. This is when Zona said in his OP that roles are distributed by random number generator and that lists are clearly alphabetical. I took a quick look at the past games held, and there were lot of instances where Mafia were clumped together on one side of the list. Fishball to my knowledge has played on TL Mafia lots of times, so why is he making such argument? Citizen argued that his 1~3,5~7 idea is senseless, which Fishball responded with a vote calling it a "play". Now this has been already pointed out by nemY, which he defended by stating 1) he said his list cannot be trusted, and 2) the list was created purely for the speculation. This makes his vote make less sense. This is the citizen post that is the problem: Long post saying... that since you are in the middle of the alphabetical player list, you must somehow be innocent? And that there maybe is a mafia in slots 1-3, and another in slots 5-7 (surely not 4 though!) - even though the blues were both bottom of the list? You've lost me Note that main topic of the post was to claim that Fishball's list was senseless (logically for the reasons I stated above) and not to argue that Fishball is Mafia. Now, number one is perfect defense. I post a idea or opinion that could influence other people's thoughts, and when someone writes that idea is flawed, I can criticize him because I wrote in that post that people are free to believe or not believe this idea. Fishball is saying citizen is Mafia for pointing out a flaw in his argument- this is like worse form of OMGUS. I just feel like the vote has been thrown too lightly, especially considering that the idea being criticized was just "speculation" as you state. Another thing I note is that Fishball's first big post implicate Ace pretty heavily for wrong reasons, since out of 1~3 player list Ace is only surviving non-Mafia member. Random hit argument is also ridiculous, since Versatile arguing with citizen gave Mafia far more incentive to kill her than any random Townie like me who post but had not posted any wrong accusations against Townie yet. I did not do firm analysis on Ace yet, so don't know what to make out of this for now. Another thing I note is that Fishball seem to have made a lot of posts that look impressive, but does not help much at all at hindsight; 1~3,5~7 Mafia list, "If I vote randomly, I have XX% chance of hitting Mafia", "Ace, citi.zen, RoL, all give me the same gut feeling. Seems like either one of them are Mafia, or all three of them are green.", "johnnyspazz vote change should be something to be noted". On March 28 2010 16:10 Fishball wrote: Nemy is on top of my gut list, but no point voting for him, unless you guys would change votes. Johnnyspazz haven't posted much. Can't comment. Lurking Mafia? Possible. Especially in a small game setting like this. haster27 have made some logical posts, least concerned as a suspect for the moment. This is the post where he wrote his opinion about all the players before his (still continuing) argument with johnnyspazz occured. First, he comes out of nowhere and state nemY is his top suspect without giving any explanation although he did not post many comments such like johnnyspazz. It should be pro-town move to write at least a sentence about one's reason for suspicion. And I cannot see why I would be treated as least suspect. I checked, and my only contribution was two posts about Xelin absense and Citizen-Ace conflict. Pro-town moves, but definitely not enough to push me out of 'possible Mafia' area. In fact, "If I had the power to kill someone, right here, right now, he would be my top pick" is the correct reaction pro-town player should have toward me, even if just to force me into activity. However, I am concerned about "my top pick" comment. Although I might be lurking Mafia, it is just that- suspicion. There is not much evidence against me besides my preference toward that other game, and in situation where 3 Townie vs 2 Mafia, Town should be trying to lynch suspect with most evidence against him rather than one having dubious alignment. Could have intentionally exaggerated his wording to create a bandwagon attempt against me. Currently I think that he is likely Mafia, although my opinion may change after looking at other players. By the way, don't trust my argument because I may or may not be Townie. This is all speculation, and everyone should make up their minds themselves. | ||
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2) When does the day end? | ||
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On April 01 2010 06:02 Ace wrote: Next Jspazz lurked too. Even worse when he did post well...yea. Clear bandwagoning. I'm sure you yourself would agree you two look the most suspect. And I see nemY lurked reasonably too. Why single out Jspazz? You seem to be here so hopefully we can get some form of discussion going. Btw, it only take few minutes to find a topic you can write about, but to write a big post trying to explain it convincingly eats up your time like no tomorrow. | ||
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"Will split this up into each players because this is taking longer than I expected. First, Fishball" | ||
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Ace 63 posts Fishball 19 posts haster27 28 posts johnnyspazz 30 posts nemY 25 posts First, discussing how posted how much is pretty irrelevant at this point because other than you our post counts are same same. Though I agree johnnyspazz was more prone to posting one-liners until his vote switch. | ||
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##vote johnnyspazz## | ||
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That is why I was dubious about voting for Ace, as he had two votes already and Ace seemed to be scrambling for someone else to bandwagon. Thus I tried to create a situation where there would be 2v2 situation, and seeing how other players responded to my vote (I claimed to have left for the day so that player may believe my vote will be unchanged), counter-vote. Combined with the fact that Fishball had not placed his vote yet, I expected there to be at least one ninja-vote by Mafia to win the game. However, with nemY vote change, I realize if Fishball stack vote on johnnyspazz it will be hard to overturn. Thus changing my vote accordingly now. ##Vote Fishball## | ||
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Upon deeper consideration, as a Townie you know Townies need to unite to vote out someone and yet you would change your vote like that? | ||
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I expected Mafia to vote-switch, but looks like only we ended up scrambling. | ||
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On April 01 2010 11:03 Fishball wrote: I wasn't exactly lurking, like said above. I was waiting to for my chance to vote. I was the only one that have NOT voted yet. If I don't vote I'll simply be mod-killed. Which is why I expected you to be Mafia ninja voter, whereupon I'll immediately counter vote. nemY screwed up that plan. | ||
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On April 01 2010 10:59 Fishball wrote: I was going to make the last call at the 2 : 2 vote tie, during the last minute. You totally screwed up my plan haster... ##vote Ace## The plan was screwed the minute Xelin changed votes. No matter how you would vote johnnyspazz would have been voted out for having early 2 votes against him. Which is why immediately thought this was indirect Mafia move and voted for Ace. | ||
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On April 01 2010 11:08 Fishball wrote: I wouldn't really call that ninja voting, as I didn't even vote yet. Unless you guys actually thought I would get myself mod-killed. Haster ninja changed his vote. That's a real ninja! lol there are good ninjas in the world too. | ||
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