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On March 27 2010 11:42 Bill Murray wrote:
LMNOP is hugely pro-town with his walls of text, but noone believes L is except me
he is playing the exact same way he did last game, and if he is red, hurray, if he is not, whatever
im going to save him
if you all don't like it, or want to lynch me, go ahead. i'll withhold my nukes if i'm lynched
Yeah you're off my kill every game list for actually doing stuff this game. High five.
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On March 27 2010 11:44 Elemenope wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2010 11:42 Bill Murray wrote:
LMNOP is hugely pro-town with his walls of text, but noone believes L is except me
he is playing the exact same way he did last game, and if he is red, hurray, if he is not, whatever
im going to save him
if you all don't like it, or want to lynch me, go ahead. i'll withhold my nukes if i'm lynched I hope you realize that verse said she would nuke, I believe. You're wasting antinukes if that's the case.
You realize she's not afk, just talked in the other game, and ignored the entire NK/time running down conversation going on here, right? Intentional lurking and a hugely anti-town threat to nuke.
Why would you let her of all people dictate town policy on something that was already agreed upon?
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On March 27 2010 11:48 Elemenope wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2010 11:45 L wrote:On March 27 2010 11:44 Elemenope wrote:On March 27 2010 11:42 Bill Murray wrote:
LMNOP is hugely pro-town with his walls of text, but noone believes L is except me
he is playing the exact same way he did last game, and if he is red, hurray, if he is not, whatever
im going to save him
if you all don't like it, or want to lynch me, go ahead. i'll withhold my nukes if i'm lynched I hope you realize that verse said she would nuke, I believe. You're wasting antinukes if that's the case. You realize she's not afk, just talked in the other game, and ignored the entire NK/time running down conversation going on here, right? Intentional lurking and a hugely anti-town threat to nuke. Why would you let her of all people dictate town policy on something that was already agreed upon? How does any of what I said relate to her dictating town policy?
Her being the deciding factor on where town wants to place anti-nukes seems to be a bit of a town policy issue, no?
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Anyways, 3 minutes left.
If I die: you should probably follow the plan I initially suggested: kill everyone that voted for me without a VERY GOOD reason. Opz, for instance, has one.
Additionally: Nuke tree.hugger. Do not let him nuke again. Anyone else who nukes during this period? Nuke them.
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NEVERMIND THE ABOVE. I AM NOT DEAD.
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On March 27 2010 12:00 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
The way I see it LMNOP is so obviously pro town that the NK nukes are 99% sure to come from mafia.
Given how Ace loves retarded roles, its entirely possible that NK has no affiliation. Either way, LMNOP was railing decently hard against XeliN which means XeliN is probably being set up.
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On March 27 2010 12:06 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2010 12:04 L wrote:On March 27 2010 12:00 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
The way I see it LMNOP is so obviously pro town that the NK nukes are 99% sure to come from mafia. Given how Ace loves retarded roles, its entirely possible that NK has no affiliation. Either way, LMNOP was railing decently hard against XeliN which means XeliN is probably being set up. This is true. I should have said 99% not town. It's possible it's a trick to get us to go after XeLiN, though i haven't seen him be particularly helpful anyway. regardless, i'm pretty sure we have to lynch tree hugger tomorrow?
We should kill him before he can nuke again. If he is indeed mafia, there would be nothing stopping him from attempting to rub another out. Worst case; he absorbs anti-nukes.
I'm not entirely certain that he's mafia given how ballsy his move was, but the only thing I'm sure of is that we shouldn't be pussies about counter-nuking people who don't agree with our anti-nuke position. If we aren't firm on that point, we simply can't dissuade nukes.
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On March 27 2010 12:08 Elemenope wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2010 11:51 L wrote:On March 27 2010 11:48 Elemenope wrote:On March 27 2010 11:45 L wrote:On March 27 2010 11:44 Elemenope wrote:On March 27 2010 11:42 Bill Murray wrote:
LMNOP is hugely pro-town with his walls of text, but noone believes L is except me
he is playing the exact same way he did last game, and if he is red, hurray, if he is not, whatever
im going to save him
if you all don't like it, or want to lynch me, go ahead. i'll withhold my nukes if i'm lynched I hope you realize that verse said she would nuke, I believe. You're wasting antinukes if that's the case. You realize she's not afk, just talked in the other game, and ignored the entire NK/time running down conversation going on here, right? Intentional lurking and a hugely anti-town threat to nuke. Why would you let her of all people dictate town policy on something that was already agreed upon? How does any of what I said relate to her dictating town policy? Her being the deciding factor on where town wants to place anti-nukes seems to be a bit of a town policy issue, no? I don't think we as a town had even decided whether to use anti nukes or not as the issue was split with some people supporting your death while others had wanted you to live. I think the fact that it was pretty much down to the wire for your save also shows this. Now, Verse is going to shoot a nuke if she does follow up with her claim, and we're back to the same situation, just down an antinuke which is necessary late game. On top of that, with only one anti-nuke a day, BM can't save you after that. Can you really claim that it was in the town decision to save you if you don't get saved after that second one? Although I'm glad that you're alive since you don't really offend me or anything and I do believe that despite some cases of self-preservation, you do make good points, you have to also see the situation that we're down an antinuke and we still have the possibility that you'll die from Verse/anybody else willing to fire a nuke. I can only hope your power is strong enough to offset the loss of the antinuke.
Well, you're looking at this from the perspective of a game without information; Anti-nuking now instead of later means we have more information prior to mafia being able to start their kill machine going. Given the method of lynching is by majority vote, it means that more information early provides us with more analysis for lynches during a time in which the volume of mafia input is minimal.
Additionally, yeah, the town had spoken pretty clearly. The only people who presented a strong opposition to the save as far as I can tell are tree.hugger, Versatile, Iaaan and Fishball. I'm probably missing someone here, but look at that list: 3 of the members there are people who initially wanted to get rid of me during my ban duration which was an obvious anti-town move. By contrast, players who are relatively confirmed or confirmed, spazz and opz, for instance, were against letting shit hit.
If someone throws a subsequent nuke in the face of the entire town saying "no more nukes" (except to kill people nuking, imo) its a pretty clear sign of mafia intention. So if Versatile IS town, actually going through with her threat now might suck up another anti-nuke, and will result in her death either way. If she's mafia, she doesn't really give a shit. She's very high on a huge spectrum of players' radars already.
Either way, I still don't understand this "anti-nukes are better later!!!" statement. They're good to stop town directed hits always. The more people we keep alive who are town oriented, the stronger the town direction during lynches is. The more townies who die, the more nukes, anti-nukes, and abilities we lose.
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On March 27 2010 12:17 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2010 12:15 Elemenope wrote:On March 27 2010 12:13 tree.hugger wrote:On March 27 2010 12:06 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:On March 27 2010 12:04 L wrote:On March 27 2010 12:00 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
The way I see it LMNOP is so obviously pro town that the NK nukes are 99% sure to come from mafia. Given how Ace loves retarded roles, its entirely possible that NK has no affiliation. Either way, LMNOP was railing decently hard against XeliN which means XeliN is probably being set up. This is true. I should have said 99% not town. It's possible it's a trick to get us to go after XeLiN, though i haven't seen him be particularly helpful anyway. regardless, i'm pretty sure we have to lynch tree hugger tomorrow? Wrong, we have to lynch North Korea. Also, since my nuke didn't land, I won't be voting for myself tomorrow. I regret that a little, because I was honest, and I wanted people to know my sincerity, but oh well. This is the game that keeps on giving. Yes, let's lynch NK! So, who are we lynching again? Well yeah, therein lies the problem. Also to address L's point, I'd don't see myself nuking anyone else in the near future.
Oh, okay. I'll trust the off the handle nuker who just admitted to having more nukes. Cool.
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On March 27 2010 12:24 XeliN wrote:
Excuse me? I didn't even fire a nuke, and if I had I assure you I would have done it publically, i've already stated Elemenope as someone suspicious I wouldn't bother doing it in secret.
Uh, I'm talking about tree.hugger.
You know, like I've been doing the entire time.
Bit too defensive there, cowboy. Calm it down.
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On March 27 2010 12:28 Elemenope wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2010 12:17 tree.hugger wrote:On March 27 2010 12:15 Elemenope wrote:On March 27 2010 12:13 tree.hugger wrote:On March 27 2010 12:06 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:On March 27 2010 12:04 L wrote:On March 27 2010 12:00 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
The way I see it LMNOP is so obviously pro town that the NK nukes are 99% sure to come from mafia. Given how Ace loves retarded roles, its entirely possible that NK has no affiliation. Either way, LMNOP was railing decently hard against XeliN which means XeliN is probably being set up. This is true. I should have said 99% not town. It's possible it's a trick to get us to go after XeLiN, though i haven't seen him be particularly helpful anyway. regardless, i'm pretty sure we have to lynch tree hugger tomorrow? Wrong, we have to lynch North Korea. Also, since my nuke didn't land, I won't be voting for myself tomorrow. I regret that a little, because I was honest, and I wanted people to know my sincerity, but oh well. This is the game that keeps on giving. Yes, let's lynch NK! So, who are we lynching again? Well yeah, therein lies the problem. Also to address L's point, I'd don't see myself nuking anyone else in the near future. A remark we can't exactly trust, especially given the situation that transpired. Show nested quote +On March 27 2010 12:18 L wrote:
Well, you're looking at this from the perspective of a game without information; Anti-nuking now instead of later means we have more information prior to mafia being able to start their kill machine going. Given the method of lynching is by majority vote, it means that more information early provides us with more analysis for lynches during a time in which the volume of mafia input is minimal.
Additionally, yeah, the town had spoken pretty clearly. The only people who presented a strong opposition to the save as far as I can tell are tree.hugger, Versatile, Iaaan and Fishball. I'm probably missing someone here, but look at that list: 3 of the members there are people who initially wanted to get rid of me during my ban duration which was an obvious anti-town move. By contrast, players who are relatively confirmed or confirmed, spazz and opz, for instance, were against letting shit hit.
If someone throws a subsequent nuke in the face of the entire town saying "no more nukes" (except to kill people nuking, imo) its a pretty clear sign of mafia intention. So if Versatile IS town, actually going through with her threat now might suck up another anti-nuke, and will result in her death either way. If she's mafia, she doesn't really give a shit. She's very high on a huge spectrum of players' radars already.
Either way, I still don't understand this "anti-nukes are better later!!!" statement. They're good to stop town directed hits always. The more people we keep alive who are town oriented, the stronger the town direction during lynches is. The more townies who die, the more nukes, anti-nukes, and abilities we lose. The only thing I don't understand is the last part. The other 3 paragraphs make sense except I don't necessarily agree that she's high on player's suspect's list, but the last part is that the counter to the 'antinukes are better later' statement is that we should always use these to stop town-directed hits. The issue with this, which I'm sure you know, is that it's very hard to prove that it's town-directed, especially on day one, unless you'd like to enlighten my feeble mind about this.
Well, I know I'm town, so maybe that was the piece of information that was not explicitly stated.
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And herein we discover mafia players or players who are so intensely bad that I will replace my prior target of bill murray with them in future games.
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On March 27 2010 13:50 flamewheel91 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2010 04:37 Versatile wrote:On March 27 2010 04:36 Bill Murray wrote:
The longer this goes on, the more I begin to trust L's read. Versatile, why so scummy? Bill Murray, why so ugly? Rofl. Show nested quote +On March 27 2010 04:45 Bill Murray wrote:
if by ugly you mean ruggedly handsome i'll accept that Rofl. Man I like these nukes.
I'd imagine this game is 3 times as hilarious to watch if you know the role list.
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For some reason, I can't post? What the shit is this.
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Lol i had a power outage. Sup brosefs. Business:
1) Versatile. You're a cool cat, but put everything you want to say in 1 post, and then stop talking. That way we know precisely what you wanted to tell the town if you flip green.
That said, if you do indeed flip green, It'll be be a pretty solid indication that you're now officially shittier than amber and vivi. Way to go completely fucking the other game up too. gj. Couldn't settle for one complete flame out, could you?
2) Who to kill if I do indeed die? First off clear the list of people who tried to vote me starting based on the players who have the weakest excuses first, then move to meeple and Iaaan.
3) ~Opz~, if you still want me to launch fake nukes feel free to ask.
4) tree.hugger still needs to die before he has the chance at throwing out another nuke at anyone.
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On March 28 2010 06:46 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2010 06:30 L wrote:
4) tree.hugger still needs to die before he has the chance at throwing out another nuke at anyone. Dude, are you blind? How many times do I need to say that I won't be firing another nuke out in the foreseeable future? Do you have trust issues? Did you take it hard when you learned the tooth fairy was a lie or something? I'm not going to nuke. I'm not going to nuke. I'm not going to nuke.
You're the epitome of nuke restraint, right?
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Good fucking lord, chrome and/or TL is fucked right now. Couldn't get on in the last like 3 hours.
##nuke:Caller
Away you go fake missiles. Away you go.
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On March 28 2010 10:21 haster27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2010 10:09 L wrote:
Good fucking lord, chrome and/or TL is fucked right now. Couldn't get on in the last like 3 hours.
##nuke:Caller
Away you go fake missiles. Away you go. Why don't you use FF? I assume those will work b/c I am having absolutely no problem with my Safari (mac). Also I think you can stop breathing down tree.hugger's neck for now- there are too many suspect & crazier non-concensus nukers present to bother about him right now.
Nah, you should still be nuked immediately, as should Versatile and Xelin.
The fact that town is going to let a backlog of people build up essentially means every subsequent nuke is more likely to hit as anti-nukes get scarce, and lynches are farther and farther off. This is pretty much what I said would happen in my first post, but no one bothered to listen.
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On March 28 2010 10:33 Elemenope wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2010 10:23 L wrote:On March 28 2010 10:21 haster27 wrote:On March 28 2010 10:09 L wrote:
Good fucking lord, chrome and/or TL is fucked right now. Couldn't get on in the last like 3 hours.
##nuke:Caller
Away you go fake missiles. Away you go. Why don't you use FF? I assume those will work b/c I am having absolutely no problem with my Safari (mac). Also I think you can stop breathing down tree.hugger's neck for now- there are too many suspect & crazier non-concensus nukers present to bother about him right now. Nah, you should still be nuked immediately, as should Versatile and Xelin. The fact that town is going to let a backlog of people build up essentially means every subsequent nuke is more likely to hit as anti-nukes get scarce, and lynches are farther and farther off. This is pretty much what I said would happen in my first post, but no one bothered to listen. I assume by 'you', you mean tree.hugger/he, unless there's something I missed.
Yep, tree.hugger.
I don't see why ANY of the non-consensus nukers aren't going to be killed prior to them getting another shot.
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On March 28 2010 10:42 Versatile wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2010 09:46 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Versatile...I agree with your list of suspects for the most part...And actually think you're probably townie. A jack ass, but a townie.
-_-...Our eyes will be opened up in a very short time...But again...
L please extend the day by launching the fake at Caller...who knows, he might actually post then. lol. i think that's fair to say. however, i warned BM what happened, but apparently he didn't realize i have bigger balls than him. in any case, i wanted L dead because i believe him to be bad for the town, period. who knows, maybe i'll change my mind in the future. once a nuke was launched at him, i took the opportunity. i guess i underestimated how stupid BM is though, an impossible task though it is. one would think that at the point i nuked L, he would realize nuking me would only lead to his death. if he had been thinking long-term about the radiation levels and to keep himself alive, getting me lynched would have been a far better plan, because why wouldn't i retaliate? either way, for all you dummies who keep putting me at the top of your lynch lists, newsflash: i have a nuke coming at me. i will die. discuss other plans and other targets as i'm old news. further, town may want to think about their attempts to lynch/nuke townies who have broken the precious rules. you guys have got townies attacking townies while the mafia and third party sit back and watch the town do the work for them. yeah, you can blame the townies who acted without town-consensus, but what's done is done. if you want to win, it's time to move on past the blame game. someone has to take the high ground.
Why wouldn't you retaliate to being lynched either?
If town is attacking town, wasn't that directly caused by you and your gang of fucking nitwits? You're a fucking huge box of hypocritical puss.
Here's the high ground: We nuke every player who nukes without the consent of the town. Period. If anyone else nukes, they know they're going to die for it. If townies want to nuke, cool beans, but they'll know the ToD is going to go up twice. The fact that tree.hugger and xelin haven't been nuked yet is a HUGE clue that they're mafia. If mafia saw both of them as guilt free nuke targets, they would have unleashed their shit a while ago while high fiving that they're listening to the town.
So, once again; kill the morons who have nuked, then just stop fucking firing shit. Period. This is the only way forward without us getting into the exact same mess tomorrow. Everyone who's fired nukes has said "I've done bad shit, but lets look to the future.".
What future? You nuking again in a day and saying "I've done bad shit, but lets look to the future" again?
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