well, thanks for saving me Xelin (:

##vote Xelin##

Nukes fired at both zona and LMNOP? I have doubts about whether the mafia would be so stupid, but either way awful awful play.

Iaaan

Canada578 Posts

April 01 2010 01:00 GMT

#1602

two things:

Anyone wanting to switch from Xelin to another suspect has my support, I think he is probably just retarded town, although there is the possibility of retarded mafia. I will probably vote for whoever has the most votes in order to get the majority.

Because I am a big suspect, and people have nukes (thus people might want to nuke me), I feel like it helps to say this: I have a special role, and one of the things it gives me is passive nuke protection, I can only be killed by the lynch or at night; nuking me will just waste a nuke/add to radiation level. And we wouldn't want to reach the ToD o:

Bold because I think that people stupid enough to nuke on a whim will just skip over the thread: I cannot be nuked because of my special role, only lynched/night killed

Iaaan

Canada578 Posts

April 01 2010 02:19 GMT

#1612

@Jeejee

While the idea makes sense, that the mafia would wait and let the town create a bandwagon to hop onto, I doubt all mafia would wait until the end to vote. It makes sense in the same way that the mafia would all vote to lynch the same person. But at the same time, you would think that the mafia would encourage an incorrect bandwagon to protect themselves, and try to distribute their votes/vote time in order to remain inconspicuous.

So I disagree with that theory, but I do agree with some of the inferences we can make from it.

Looking at the lists you made of who has and hasn't voted for xelin, most/all of the towns suspects are on the list that has not voted for xelin. Your theory on the pattern on time could explain why that is. Another explanation could be: if we assume that Xelin is mafia, then the list of people who haven't voted for him makes perfect sense: the mafia do not vote for xelin and hope, or put effort into, getting someone else lynched.

and also, recognizing your suspicion of me, I don't know what to say, I made my first post after seeing the day post/the nuke that xelin fired, and I was a little angry at his stupidity, and slightly irrationally happy that I probably wouldn't be getting killed today because of him (not that I need to be alive for the town to win, but what can I say, I want to live), so I just posted my stupid little vote/comment and felt accomplished. Also, I intend to vote for whoever is closest to the majority so we do now have a no lynch.

so that said, I think that this list has 3or4/5 mafia in it:
Xelin
Caller
Nikon
Nemy
d3

I think we should continue to lynch Xelin, and Discuss nuking (and then proceed with nuking) Caller. Xelin has shown that he has nukes he isn't afraid to be stupid with, however when Caller was nuked before, he posted that he had no nukes nor anti nukes. Caller is also the most likely mafia member in my eyes, with his inactivity and then with Fishball's post about his special abilities.

Iaaan

Canada578 Posts

April 01 2010 02:23 GMT

#1613

and lol @ me, I posted that before reading Caller's post. I don't know anything about all those types of cops, I only started playing mafia recently. But his post makes him look more innocent at least. So if we decide he is innocent then great, ignore my post.
Lucky I didn't just nuke Caller before trying to talk about it, like most people (:

Iaaan

Canada578 Posts

April 01 2010 02:30 GMT

#1616

sup nikon, go read caller's post.

It makes more sense that with 2 cops that they could be screwed up cops.

Iaaan

Canada578 Posts

April 01 2010 02:31 GMT

#1617

I'm sure that a bus driver esque role could work however Ace wants it to.

Iaaan

Canada578 Posts

April 01 2010 02:32 GMT

#1618

Who knows, maybe he got meeple's name and Nikon's role.

Iaaan

Canada578 Posts

April 01 2010 03:12 GMT

#1628

Based off Jeejee and Caller's posts, it seems like the mafia could have 2 special roles (there were three anti town things, nuke steal, role block, and bus driver esque thing). Some of these roles are from the town, some from mafia. Based off the amount of players and the fact there are mafia that have special powers, there are likely more blue roles than 1 medic 2 cops (1 handicapped), and 1 vigi. So @ opz, maybe fishball wont die, because he might have medic protection from the remaining medic/s.

Iaaan

Canada578 Posts

April 01 2010 03:23 GMT

#1632

and @ Xelin, I am suspicious of you being mafia still. I kinda agree that people might want to consider me more (like, if I weren't me I would think that), but the fact that you are bringing it up just looks to me like you are trying to take suspicion off yourself. Yes, everyone who lynch/nuke I supported has turned out green. But did I launch any of those nukes? no, my opinion on them had little effect on the outcome. I could not lynch someone by myself. I do accept that all my support so far has been wrong, but really, I didn't have as much of an effect on the outcomes as your making it seem; if I were mafia it wouldn't make sense advocating for so many people to die, when I knew they were ALL town. Maybe not the best argument, but I don't like to think of myself as stupid.

And I mean, look at your own record, launching nukes at LMNOP and Zona, both of which were completely retarded, and you alone were trying to kill them. Again, compare that to me where I had hardly any effect on the outcomes.

I completely disagree with your saying that I am inactive, I haven't been spamming up the thread, or sitting at my computer all day posting, but I've done my best, and posted more than most people.

And with you asking me to roleclaim, I again see you asking it from the mafia's perspective. Is Iaaan better to kill than fishball/caller? All the town needs to know is that I can't be killed by nukes, anything else I will use alone as best I can to serve the towns purpose based on the discussion about who needs to live/die/learned about.

Iaaan

Canada578 Posts

April 01 2010 03:25 GMT

#1633

Abenson, I am sure that you have read Caller's roleclaim. What are the reasons that you think it is not legit? I am still not sure, but I am leaning toward it being honest, it would be a complicated role claim to fake IMO.

Iaaan

Canada578 Posts

April 01 2010 03:26 GMT

#1634

And also, I think someone should use an anti nuke on Xelin's nuke toward zona, doesn't it seem logical that North Korea would have multiple nukes? And why should we trust him, he hasn't done anything this whole game to earn trust.

Iaaan

Canada578 Posts

April 01 2010 20:23 GMT

#1702

If peoples plans involve me in some way, feel free to directly ask me questions that might help.

@LMNOP, you asked if I wouldn't mind being nuked to confirm my role. Sure, I could be nuked, and it would help confirm my role, but not really my alignment.

And if we start more specific roleclaiming in the day, I will do it as well, because it would be useless if not everybody does it.

Iaaan

Canada578 Posts

April 01 2010 20:57 GMT

#1704

Yup, if that is considered a gain.

Iaaan

Canada578 Posts

April 02 2010 21:46 GMT

#1733

On April 03 2010 01:37 Nikon wrote:
I am a Veteran. I took a hit last night.

With that out of the way - laaan, if I nuke you, do you think it will hit?

It will hit, but it wont kill me. Do you have nuke protection to? and are you arctica?

Iaaan

Canada578 Posts

April 02 2010 21:56 GMT

#1736

ok @ nikon
still wont show that I have nuke protection, but no big deal, not really relevant anyway.

Iaaan

Canada578 Posts

April 02 2010 21:57 GMT

#1737

and wouldn't it be funny in opz and abenson turned out to be mafia? xd
+ Show Spoiler +

i joke of course ;d

Iaaan

Canada578 Posts

April 03 2010 04:50 GMT

#1745

A few things:

First, nikon says his nuke is fake. Either way, doesn't really matter.

Next, it seems like the serial killer has targetted Nikon 2 days in a row. Nikon has been a suspect, so maybe that suggests that the SK is somehow on the towns side. On the flipside of having 2 serial killers, the mafia could have 2 KP (Ace wasn't clear on this), although I think it is most likely that there are town, mafia, and a third party.
So the way I see it, if the SK is town aligned, he can help us by killing suspects without revealing himself/getting killed by mafia. If there are two serial killers hunting for each other, that could be supported by the night hits, amber, nikonx2, and verse, they have all been reasonable suspects to be mafia (maybe not verse as much), no one who seems really pro town has been hit so far.

But that said, I think the most likely set up is 3/4 mafia, 1 roleblocker 1 nuke stealer, then a SK. The bus driver's switch on meeple/nikon was just be chance. If we assume that the nuke stealer role is anti town, then from that is makes sense that Jeejee (and abenson) are also town.

Last, a solid roleclaim from me, I was being ambiguous before, I am Antarctica, a veteran. My powers are 1 extra life against nukes, and 1 extra life against night hits. This makes me suspicious of nikon still, if we are both veterans, why are our roles different? I asked him a little bit about his role on the last page, from what he has said it doesn't sound like he has an extra life against nukes.

With Caller, I think that we shouldn't lynch him today. See what happens with his check tmrw. We also shouldn't lynch d3 on the chance that Caller is an insane cop, however on the off chance he does die/flip red, it suggests that d3 is red as well.

So all that said, the best person to lynch is Nemy, I don't think there is any chance of him being active, any reason that the mafia would want to kill him, or anyway to show that he is a townie.

##vote nemy##

Who knows, maybe there aren't actually any mafia after all. lol. or maybe the mafia are giggling that we think they might not even exsist o.o

Iaaan

Canada578 Posts

April 03 2010 18:29 GMT

#1780

On April 02 2010 21:13 Abenson wrote:
Alright
I have an announcement:
Someone stole nuke(s) from me
They left behind coffee beens and used cocaine needles

On April 04 2010 03:05 Abenson wrote:
Alright, my nuke was used to extend the day and nothing else.
Before nuking I gave all my nukes to ~OpZ~, so therefore the missile will do no harm.

What

If Caller were to check opz/abenson, I don't see what the point would be, if your town you would be red, if hes paranoid you would be red. The only way too see if he is insane is if he checks a mafia, right? I think we should give him another day or two and see what happens, and lynch someone else today.

And the way my role PM was worded makes me believe that a fake nuke will not use up my nuke protection.