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Alright, it's time to speak up.
I am Sweden, a townie. ~OpZ~ asked earlier if I had done anything that was pro-town; I was the one who shot down the North Korean anony-nuke.
I understand that everyone else must be looking at me with suspicion due to my activity level. I'm frustrated too - in the past several games I've been unable to do much as a townie, and I get easily put off by big shitstorms of posting like those that occurred earlier in this game. I'm also frustrated that people always seem to turn to me whenever I'm not as active as some of the other people in the thread, and I have to keep giving the same tired old excuse. It's happened for the last couple of games whenever I've lapsed in regular posting, and it makes me a little sad and frustrated, but it's understandable that people can't take my word.
That's a lot of things that I have to deal with, because it's no excuse for not providing any input so far in this game. I apologize, and I'll work to make up for my lack of action thus far.
Here's what I think - we have an overabundance of townies and blues. Those people that haven't roleclaimed yet are also good targets to focus on, but we obviously can't expect everyone that's claimed so far to be telling the truth. First matter of order - resolve veteran claims. Iaaan/Nikon need to step up and describe in detail about how each of their abilities work. Since Iaaan has already done so, it seems to be Nikon's turn. Then we have Caller/Fishball to worry about.
Second, everyone claiming town needs to be examined thoroughly (myself included). Since we've got so many unclaimed roles with abilities, I'd imagine a few of our townies are actually mafia. Since Nemy's gone ahead and nuked Nikon, we should be looking at him first - but the rest of the town should be critically evaluated as well. We should all be careful of being too accepting of 'confirmed townies'.
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I got lost on a train and just got back. It is currently 6:16AM in Florence, and I need to take another train to Rome in less than an hour. So, let's run through this quickly:
##vote: Nikon
We vote to lynch Nikon to force him to tell us his real role. I believe he is either mafia/SK at this point, given his shoddy behavior so far, but it would be far more useful if he could actually disclose the powers of his role (i.e. if it can be used in the town's favor by redirection a suspicious nuke). For those of you that are worried about mafia hits on him if he turns out to be useable, the fact that he can draw hits away/make mafia think twice about firing nukes is enough. Of course, if he's actually SK/mafia, then he deserves to die, period.
Second, I've actually been watching Elemenope for a while now after Xelin stepped up and claimed for NK; at first I found it rather odd that Xelin would think that (and given his previous track record I wasn't surprised). But since that point, it seems that Elemenope seems to have been cruising on his previous good posting and not saying much of substance. Yeah, yeah, I know - pot kettle black, but there's definitely some sort of inconsistency in his posting style. I really disagree with Iaaan's if X is red then so is Y kind of thinking, as from past experience it just doesn't work very well. What we actually have to watch out for is who ISN'T accusing whom, and the patterns that lie there. For that matter, Caller hasn't said shit about shit, and even if he DOES turn out to be town it's a high possibility that all of his DT info will be useless if he's paranoid. Nemy is also a good target. I would be a reasonable target as well, though at this point if you don't believe I'm town I don't have much I can do to convince you =/
Third, we have ~3 nukes before we run into danger zone for ToD. I definitely expect to see some nukes coming out of the woodwork, but we have to remember the risk of retaliation nukes. I am hoping some of our remaining townies have anti-nukes to fire in the next few days.
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The way HIGH is in all-caps worries me, and makes me think we have far less nukes to ToD than I thought there would be. If the town still has anti-nukes, for the love of god let's be ready.
Since Nikon was 3rd party, the results of tonight will show us whether or not he was responsible for making the hits, or if there's one more 3rd party lurking out there. The OP is pretty clear in that the mafia only have 1KP; I'm actually more concerned if that if Survivor =/= SK then we have a rogue agent out there killing people... in which case we need him to target one of the more obvious mafia suspects so we don't lose.
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Dear town, I am still here. Internet is retardedly expensive in the hotel I'm currently in (10 euro an hour? wtf), so it's hard for me to make any substantive posts. I'll be saving the thread so I can read it while I'm offline and make a real post soon.
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Since the discussion earlier today has been all about Citizen/Caller, here's what I'm thinking. Citizen's PGO claim doesn't make any sense in consideration of what PGO usually is, and I'm thinking that there's some other hidden something to his role. On the other hand, we have Caller, who has spouted a bunch of BS about how he's Israel/Japan/Bratislava/whatever, as well as being an Insane Cop. I'm not sure of Caller's true alignment, since he might easily be mafia making shit up about people - and because he's an alignment cop he would have the information about who is town/not if he were mafia, since alignment cops don't get any details on roles.
Then we've got the heat thrown on Elemenope. If anyone has any questions regarding my anti-nuke, it's because 1) we had an anonymous North Korean nuke (which I thought was a RED attack) and 2) he had been posting fairly town-aligned up until recently. Now that things have changed, well, who knows what he could actually be.
If the argument between citizen/Caller is going to go on any further, here's what I suggest: citizen will attempt to nuke Caller/Elemenope, and if he's PGO (by his description) I'm guessing we're still going to go through the motions of nuclear launch, but it'll land a dud. If Caller attempts to pull any crazy BS, we'll simply either 1) lynch him or 2) anti-nuke if he decides to nuke.
Yes, I'm quite aware this plan is going to raise ToD... but the problem is that we can't afford to NOT nuke at this point in time. The town needs 100% accuracy over the next 4 days if we're going strictly by lynching. I'm assuming we have 3 nukes until we hit the Danger Zone, and unless Ace is going to dick us over hard then WE need to make use of these last three.
One more thing - in a normal mafia game, the town would have lost by now, even with 100% lynch accuracy. It's only because we have nukes/special roles that we're still here.
So, my question - what happens when citizen attempts to nuke Caller? The day gets extended by another 24 hours, but a normal missile falls? Or does citizen implode on himself?
Let's shift gears for a second here, back to the player list:
CONFIRMED:
~OpZ~ [Canada, Mason]
Abenson [United Kingdom, Mason]
d3_crescentia [Sweden, Town-aligned] - I'm confirming myself
UNCONFIRMED
Caller (Israel/Japan, INSANE Alignment Cop)
citizen (China, Paranoid Gun Owner)
JeeJee (???, Town-aligned?)
haster27 (Portugal, Townie)
Elemenope (Vietnam, Townie)
Iaaan (Antarctica, Veteran)
The unclaimed:
- Colombia, Nuke Stealer
- Unknown, Bus Driver
- Unknown, Roleblocker
First thing - JeeJee needs to step up and claim, so this list is complete. The next five on the list are immediately suspect. We can remove Caller/citizen right now since that's who we're discussing currently, so that leaves us with haster27/Elemenope/Iaaan. My gut feeling is that one of these is actually our Colombian nuke-stealer.
Iaaan's claim as Veteran has been virtually uncontested since we lynched Nikon, though this is something that we actually CAN confirm, were it not for our radiation levels - but at least we it's possible to actually account for this, if we need to confirm him. I'm thinking we actually DO need to confirm him, since his claim effectively takes him off as a nuke target. But given the amount of lying that's gone down in this game so far it's entirely possible that his role is completely different (i.e. scum).
My suspects at this point in time: haster27, Elemenope, Iaaan... and one of Caller/citizen.
I'd like to reserve my vote until the last moment, so... ##vote: abstain
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Oh good, I came back to see us win. Really hoped to have done it without JeeJee dying; thinking I could've protected him at night. Will comment later when internet doesn't cost a buttload of money. Cheers.
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On April 11 2010 23:55 haster27 wrote:
JeeJee// actually, if d3 launched his nuke, I would have immediately nuked you also before 24 hours were up. Then situation would be 4-5 to 3-4, but ToD raised up to 8. Since ToD was 9, all the nukes would have been frozen at that point.
~OpZ~// I just didn't want to give a speck of suggestion that tipped Mafia off of my ability lol. Also, you kept blasting me about being Mafia while you kept JeeJee, obvious scum, sliding, so I just decided to NK him and agreed with your points in order to mollify you.
Except we didn't really have any compunction about tying the game. Even on Day 1 Caller wanted everyone to die in a nuclear fire. ^_^
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Oh my god. I loved this game so so much. It was some of the most fun I've had with mafia ever.
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