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On March 25 2010 05:20 Abenson wrote:
Hooray
I'm back and I basically find that I'm gonna end up dying if I don’t post anything soon :O
Anyways, I think I have proven myself quite active in the past few games, even if the post are all crap not very useful, I still am active in terms of posting. Therefore I think that we shouldn’t just simply lynch me on day 1 because I was inactive for the first few hours of the game.
first few hours huh.
or maybe we could look at your history instead
so, when the game started, you post /confirm
then 18 hours later you make a one-liner post, voting for L (we all know how i feel about that)
now 24 hours later (that's 42 in total for those keeping track) you come out with this.
For you to sway people's votes, you'd have to at least come out of lurking, name some suspects, analyze the plans, give us content. you've had almost two full days to do this. that's a tad more than "first few hours". hell, L is almost unbanned by now.
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ok wtf i just skimmed over the last page and see a spam of RoL votes
what did he do?
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right
ok
i'm still reading, for now i will ##vote:RoL
i would like to point out for now that we have 9 votes on RoL, and a tad under 5 hours left.
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ok, i see..
this mason situation is interesting. i hope abenson is at least active behind the scenes with opz as otherwise they are just throwing this away. masons are a huge buff to the town (well, well-played masons are), and unless ace did something hilarious like make them all siblings too (i wouldn't put it past him lolol), i'm feeling a bit more confident. elemenope does have a point that of course they are not confirmed, but that's not relevant atm. what IS relevant is we know they're on the same team. how many mafia do you think there are? losing two has got to be brutal.
anyway i agree with voting for deliberately inactive people like rol. hell, he even READ THE POSTS of people that voted for him and all he had to say is "you are insane". you have to put in more effort than that, man, it's been two full days.
i will keep my vote on him for now.
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ok so i f5'd the thread before posting and saw your latest post RoL
zona contributing nothing? means a lot, coming from a poster who only posted three one-liners up until he's on the chopping block. actually zona has created plans, bounced off ideas, driven discussion. if everyone would do this, we would be in much better shape. conversely, if everyone would do what YOU do (nothing), we'd be screwed.
i am still happy with you as the candidate for day one. feel free to convince me otherwise, i will be here.
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ok listen the fuck up
we have our first nuke (from rol, big surprise)
our plan is to get him lynched as part of our revenge-lynch protocol
...which is what we were doing anyway
so yeah. go vote for the dumbass.
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no
read the fucking rules
day cannot end when a nuke is in the air. therefore you can't die before caller.
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wow rol.. haha
you don't expect us to get majority lynches? really? we were going to get majority on abenson until opz came around, then we were going to get majority on you. this is the reason you launched the nuke, remember?
our goal is to rain death? since when? we are here to kill mafia. maybe if you're some fucked up 3rd party, then your goal may be to rain death. as long as you're putting words in zona's mouth with percentages, is this what you imply here?
i really hate people like you. the triggerhappy idiots are the reason we lost the everyone-with-a-gun game. which we had given to us on a silver platter after iaaan and sidesprang.
btw, i really question meeple for voting for someone else. the revenge-lynch plan didn't come out of nowhere. it was a combined effort of zona and myself (among others) spread over several pages of discussion. the plan has a purpose.
wb L. happs you're alive? xD
i was thinking about organized roleclaims but we don't know what roles there are at all. people can claim the most random ass shit (i'm a hooker lolsup) and get away with it, because hey, ace is the one hosting 
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i must say, i'm really distraught at the few people deciding not to lynch rol.
let's think about what this means. first of all our revenge-lynch plan goes out the window, meaning anyone can go wild with nukes with no fear of repercussions. we'll have a repeat of the everyone-has-a-gun game where we didn't punish malongo -- an action which was followed by a shitstorm then town loss.
but moreover and by far more important, is that WE DONT KNOW WHEN/IF AN ANTI NUKE IS FIRED. that means we can end up with NO information going into night 1. i'm sure L will come around and start some bandwagons anyway, but we will have no history. ideally i would have the nuke land and rol die simultaneously. as someone pointed out, caller hasn't been helping us anyway (his biggest help so far was being the target of this nuke which brought about all this discussion), so i don't mind him dying. rol, well, he just gave a giant finger to the town by launching his nuke and his "lol oops didn't read rules" excuse, so.. =/
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On March 26 2010 05:06 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2010 04:54 XeliN wrote:
Versatile are you black? you seem black... I always thought Versatile was a girl... I know we have a couple wimins playing in mafia games, notably some of the mods' girlfriends.
this just in
blacks cant be women
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NO NO NO
god i thought having lynched RoL, we would prevent the stupidity of people like tree.hugger. i don't understand >.<
guys. say no to nukes. have we all forgotten about ToD? this is the crucial difference between this game and the previous everyone-has-a-gun game. i was expecting one triggerhappy idiot, but after getting lynched so hard i figured nobody else would step up to the plate. yes it's great that you provide your reasoning for nuking but DO SO BEFORE YOU NUKE. and if a sizable amount of people agree with you, proceed. sure it's a little bit of a hassle but it prevents shit like this
at this rate the game might be over day 1 and nobody wins. or some 3rd party laughs their ass off. don't you guys see this? stop fucking nuking people.
i'll go to sleep and post back in about 9-10 hours when i get to work. L, you are planning to extend the day further? it is good to have more discussion but it also gives more idiots the opportunity to go "hey this fag's a fag! nuke:fag" so keep that in mind when you decide.
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i think that is a stupid assumption amber. first of all, i am pretty sure the mason's PM states they can communicate only with the other masons outside the thread. even if DTs could PM people (which i highly doubt), the masons still couldn't do shit about it, because posting their findings in the thread = communication with DTs outside the thread = modkill.
we have to rely on the masons to play with each other and figure shit out. remember in some mafia games masons have abilities to recruit a player into their circle once per night. this may very well be the case here, and as long as they don't fuck up and recruit someone questionable, the townie circle can grow in that way.
of course that is an assumption similar to yours, but the difference is, i believe it holds weight.
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sorry i just realized that post sounds a little dick-ish. i'm still upset over the f'ing nukes flying through the air. we had what, THREE nukes on day 1? seriously
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well, as long as we stop launching them.. :S
if we keep launching three nukes per day (hell, this day isn't even over yet), i'm gonna be pissed.
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##enchantNuke:lightning
##launchEnchantedNuke:flamewheel91
but seriously, posts like that can affect the game dude. some idiot can read them and go "OH OK!!!" and launch a nuke. well i bet if someone were to do that they would've launched a nuke anyway but who knows, right? i'd rather not egg them on.
anyway, i would like to draw attention to meeple. how are you doing buddy? what do you think about this situation, what are your suspicions, what's your suggested course of action? you haven't posted in a while so i hope you can contribute
Thanks!
-Shinbi
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what i think is important to do is to go through the posts of the person, figure out their central claims and stances, who they argued with and against, and come up with an expectation. this avoids the typical "oh i totally knew that" attitude that follows a lynch or a prot or a mafia game in general.
now, i'm going to do this for johnnyspazz.
-supports anti-nuking & lynching rogue nukers
-vote's L cos of day 1, but switches to nemy, and defends L later. then switches to abenson, then RoL due to opz coming in with "lol we're masons"
-against abstaining, wants more info for town
-a little abenson vs johnyspazz thing pops up (re defending L/voteswitching mostly)
-fos's xelin
-a little meeple vs johnyspazz pops up (re voteswitching mostly)
-a little ad hominem between him and opz
**now gets targetted by rol**
-claims he has day 2 abilities (in particular, nukes and anti-nukes that he cannot use until then)
this is a rough summary of all his posts and interactions. what can we glean from this?
first of all, we have a claim by johnny that he has certain day 2 powers. he further elaborates that they are nukes and anti-nukes that cannot be used on day 1. this sounds a little weird to me, but hey this is ace's game. maybe he has an un-shoot-downable (heh) nuke instead of a standard one, but only after night 1. i dunno.
the main people he argued with were abenson, meeple and opz. one of the main arguments was the fact that he tends to bounce around between vote candidates a lot.
one consistent stance of his is that of anti-nukes. now, since we know rol is townie, the nuke launched at him was in good faith, and not to shut him up about his suspicious of, say, xelin.
my take? i think johnny has made generally pro-town plays. however, the vote-switching is a little sketchy, and he did do a weird role claim. but keep in mind, the latter could be explained because hey, this is ace's game and anything including hookers goes.
i would support an anti-nuke on johnny as generally he seems to be playing pro-town, and encouraging information to be shared/generated
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oh dear god.
well, i am disappointed that johnnyspazz was not anti-nuked, i thought i made a fairly good case for him but i guess not. what the hell happened to his anti nukes?
also, this north korea business, doesn't it strike you guys as a little odd? i am surprised this power has not been discussed yet, but granted there are fucking nukes flying (seriously fuck you guys) at this very moment, and the NK nukes are pretty recent. my take? seems like a perfect power for a godfather or third party to have. anonymous nukes as a town power just sounds too uncharacteristic. also, is it just me or are they faster than regular nukes? lol
this also brings into question -- why elemenope? he has been posting walls of text (which i admit to not reading at all but then again who does) and been involved in a few tussles but nothing beyond a little ad hominem and fos'ing. still, to be the target of a day 1 power-nuke? i don't get it.
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i fucking hate you all
fuck you.
i have nothing more to add. we all know my stance on nukes, and we definitely know my stance on nuking L.
fuck you verse, fuck you everyone who launched a nuke
just, fuck you.
i am so pissed because it looks like we are fucking going to lose this game just like the everyone-has-a-gun game because hey, the moment people get the ability to kill people at whim, they suddenly decide to exercise it because its the FUCKING INTERNET
fuck you.
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i mean seriously
L is fucking playing incredibly pro-town right now. so obv bill's decision to save him was pro-town too
then fucking verse comes in and lets two more nukes fly, both at pro-town players. HUH I WONDER WHATS UP THERE?
plus some fucking idiot nukes the wall of text creator lmnop, and hey, what a useful power it is to be able to nuke people without them knowing who you are? i bet you're laughing your ass off too
god i hate you guys
if we ever get to day 2 or if we have night1 vigs, i would suggest to take a deliberate look at the people who initially wanted L dead for no adequate reason, and are causing this chaos right now:
L(7)
tree.hugger
Versatile
Abenson - ill just go with their mason claim
Fishball
RebirthofLegend dead townie
~Opz~ - ill just go with their mason claim
d3_crescentia
tree.hugger, verse, fishball, d3. two people who decide to launch nukes for fun and two people who are mostly afk from this game. GEE I WONDER
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On March 28 2010 04:28 Elemenope wrote:
I do think that L's pro-town and these nukes toward him are out of spite rather than for scum tells; I'd like to see L saved, but that's really up to the town and if they feel we need to save antis or not.
i disagree. if you notice, the chaos right now (as i have posted right before ace's huge picture post) is caused by people who initially voted for L to get lynched on day 1 for no adequate reason (and no, as i have outlined many many times in this thread, him being banned for two real-time days, not game-days, is NOT an adequate reason). L is usually a big asset to whichever side he's on, it's just that idiots take some of his comments to heart and think he's attacking them instead of their logic. which he sometimes is, but hey, he's right more often than not. have to take the good with the bad.
obviously i would love both bm and L saved, as they have both been acting pro-town so far, and i am fairly confident in stating that verse is probably mafia. plus, the other people on that list (treehugger, fishball and d3) haven't been that helpful either. there is quite likely to be another mafia among that list. so saying that the nukes are being launched out of spite by townies as opposed to mafia wanting to wreak havoc on the town and kill pro-town players is stupid, imo.
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oh you have got to be shitting me, eh?
here's my addition to the current shitstorm. zona brought up a point where someone went "oh lul u want the night to start?? eager to use up your abilities huh?" implying him mafia. sure that's all well and good, we all know mafia get a nightkill this game, but hey. did you all forget L flipped medic? that means we also probably have the typical night roles like DTs in this game too. thing is.. the shorter the game is, the less useful they are. and at this rate i'm not even sure we'll ever get a rolecheck out of them before we blow the shit out of each other.
i mean for fuck's sake, do you realize this day started on march TWENTY THIRD? like SIX DAYS AGO? we have been launching nukes for 133 hours now. and of course there's at least another 24 hours of it thanks to canada eh. of course i can't blame him because he's quite likely townie and he *is* nuking a target that's been suggested by quite a few people. it's just that, hey, it's like the seventh nuke fired before night1. as douglas adams' Mr. L. Prosser would say -- "what a day"
now i believe L suggested me and haster nuking tree.hugger and xelin. i'm giving weight to this particular suggestion because he is confirmed townie. well, tree.hugger i suppose is no longer a choice at this point, but xelin's still there. i'd like to point out, for the umpteenth time, how i feel about nukes. if the majority wants xelin to get shot, fine, haster or I can probably take care of that. but if you think i am going to nuke without town consensus you're out of your fucking mind. i already made it quite clear that my stance is "say no to nukes" and gee, maybe this current shitstorm will help you see why.
all these inactivity lists that were brought up are quite interesting actually. i think suspects like d3 and fishball (i outlined them earlier as well) should definitely be looked at as lynch (or nuke... /rolleyes) targets. but hey, instead we're fucking nuking all willy-nilly. whatever works right? OH WAIT WE HAVEN'T EXPLODED A SINGLE RED NOW HAVE WE
grrrr
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