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On March 14 2010 06:47 Iaaan wrote:
@L
I already showed that his vote change was to be expected, why would be vote for you in one thread, and go completely against you in the other? You were talking about killing Jeejee for accountability, at least take responsibility yourself for pushing a bad lynch. And BC also, why didn't you kill madnessman, he switched first and independently of jeejee, without posting reasons in the thread beforehand, or bill murray even? Jeejee was obviously the most dangerous one out of all of them, he actually pushed against people. I'm sure the mafia are glad to have him out of the way.
And you say that if the mafia wanted BC or incognito in, they got them in. Well, You would have gotten in, if it hadn't been for a townie interfering, Jeejee. You could just as easily be mafia, angry at Jeejee for fighting against you, then stopping you from getting elected.
@Bill murray
How does you dying prove that incognito is innocent? Your just tying yourself to him because you think you might die and you want to influence the game somehow, by creating a link that doesn't exist between you and someone you blindly trust.
Nah, it was a good lynch.
If the guy is green and trying to setup vote swings by PM, he should die. Period.
Since I know a bit more about my role than you my perspective of the situation is a bit more clear.
Regardless, Bill Murray is the best lynch for tomorrow.
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I mean, I don't even understand why you'd try to use hindsight to justify a literally TO THE MINUTE voteswing.
When I die and flip whatever I flip, you can take responsability by dying the next day (unless I die tonight, in which case kill bill murray first.
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Your doing the same thing with bill murray and me that you did with Jeejee, Bill murray killed you last game, and so you want him killed. He isnt smart and just wants to live, so he bandwagons on with Jeejee to screw up the election for you. And now you want me to die if I get you killed. Seriously, keep your emotions out of the game, I thought you were a better player than that. Please read the post where I looked at his behavior. It isn't that I'm 'annoyed' at him, its the CONTENT OF HIS POSTS.
Or rather, the incredibly obvious lack thereof.
If you couple that with the fact that his posts use gimmicks like colouring, instead of putting actual content, then look at the post wherein he colours his name not green, but blue and green, you note interesting things. Why claim 'green/blue' over green? Clearly the intention is to say "town", which is consistent with Bill's insistence that he's pro-town, but apart from some pm work that he's got going on behind the scenes he hasn't really produced very much besides an attempt to wagon against someone who he assumed was a DT.
But does anyone really want to claim 'town'? A green player would want to claim green, because lying is bad. A blue player who can't be confirmed and doesn't want to die would claim green too. Out of all the roles that I know aren't accounted for, there are none that would logically want to make that play. Ergo someone's bullshitting out of his ass.
I do think that L could be mafia Good. Take responsibility for this FoS later on. A bunch of people have thought it a good idea to take shots at my credibility when I've been the only person to offer a concrete proof of my alignment via either blue abilities or volunteering to be killed.
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On March 14 2010 07:24 Iaaan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2010 05:27 L wrote:On March 14 2010 05:00 XeliN wrote:
In what way did he actively try to fuck with the town? Well, he basically gutted the plan that was on the table, allowed mafia to swing under the premise of working with him and got the person with the shadiest vote list elected. Do you honestly not see how that would cause problems or require the town to use a lynch or two to clear up? And also to reiterate this point, Jeejee and Bill murray together switched their votes. Jeejee had obvious reasons and is now confirmed town, bill murray simply doesn't like L or want to die. Madnessman, The other guy who switched his votes, was independent of this, and I don't see why he switched his vote from what he has posted so far. This is the only switched vote that is suspicious, it would be useless to lynch Bill, and it was useless to lynch Jeejee.
It was useless to lynch people who are pulling scummy shit?
Wrong.
If they're town, they now know they can't do shit like that in the future and get away with it. If they're mafia they get killed. Bill is the next up to the plate. Period.
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Your doing the same thing with bill murray and me
Wait wait wait, with you?
Seeing as I haven't typed your name once this entire game in my recollection... How do you figure?
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On March 14 2010 08:46 Bill Murray wrote:
also, L, I have said I'm green.
I was sort of interested in not giving it away at first, but I realized that it was fairly obvious, and since I had pm'ed BC telling him something like "i hope i'm not the miller", i figured i'd rather tell everyone than let someone like vivi repeat my entire PM to the thread for me.
i feel like lynching me would be a waste. i am not really hurting the town at all, and the only way that i could have possibly hurt the town at all is if incognito is red, and you are blue.
i do not know if this is the case, and if it is, i am sorry for my mistake.
You were interested in hiding that you were a green? So you admit you were intentionally trying to mislead people when you tried to frame yourself as blue?
Why did you even run for mayor as a green?
None of this adds up unless you're 1) terrible or 2) trying to fuck with the town.
That 'I could only hurt town is incog was red and you're blue' is also bullshit. Depending on the roles we have, putting me out vs having incog in could be HUGE. Which it is. Because I can't claim now. Which fucks up the plan we had.
Lets look at this post of yours:
L is elected
Bill Murray gets lynched
the town loses an active poster
I implore you all to consider voting for BloodyC0bbler. I don't mind L becoming pardoner. I actually don't believe L is red this game. It's just really fishy that he's implied he's a dt, implied he's a bus driver, and implied that he's a green on a suicide mission to discover the mafia. I hope he's any of these, as long as he isn't red, but I'd be hoping for it more if he wasn't after my head.
Other than his wanting to kill me, I'll explain why it is best to not vote for him in layman's terms. He is a loose cannon. When you get a player like BC or Incognito, even d3_crescentia, you get someone who is analytical and normal. They will react coolly to nearly any situation. L is obviously not as cool acting as he would have you believe. He holds grudges, he rages over actions, and he has been acting scummy regardless of whether or not he is red which has been detrimental to the town.
If elected, would I lynch L? ____ no. He is too valuable to lynch if he really IS something like the bus driver. I would be much more apt to go for someone who is going to be modkilled anyways if that is possible. There is a higher percentage of town vs mafia, and thus a higher propensity of picking a town member than a mafia member in a stupid day 1 lynch where you have literally no information of any substance, weight, or value.
Do the right thing, vote for BloodyC0bbler or Incognito. Don't vote for someone who changes their mind like L.
First off, you run under the auspice that you might be blue. Not green. Look at your name here.
So you lied then or are lying now.
Second: You think I'm not red, yet you decide to wagon against me.
Third: You claim that "I change my mind" whereas I've not changed my mind a single time. I've ALWAYS supported killing you. I'm STILL saying lynching JeeJee was fine (although I'd have preferred you). I didn't change my vote. The people you voted with changed their votes chronically, yet you don't have suspicions about them.
More importantly, here you admit that sheer probability makes it hard to hit someone red on day 1, yet since day 2 you've heavily implied that jeejee flipping green makes me red. Bullshit.
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On March 14 2010 09:00 citi.zen wrote:
Weak defense L. Feeling guilty about something other than the jeejee lynching? After all, BC decidedthat one alone. As far as I can tell you were still advocating killing BM. It's not like jeejee got hit at night
1) Nah, i said JeeJee should also be a target. Woulda preferred BM, but oh well.
2) If your team hits me, you're probably going to lose the game for your team. So tell them to hit someone else. I probably have a medic on me anyways.
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On March 14 2010 09:02 Iaaan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2010 08:23 L wrote:Your doing the same thing with bill murray and me Wait wait wait, with you? Seeing as I haven't typed your name once this entire game in my recollection... How do you figure? Show nested quote +On March 14 2010 06:59 L wrote:
I mean, I don't even understand why you'd try to use hindsight to justify a literally TO THE MINUTE voteswing.
When I die and flip whatever I flip, you can take responsability by dying the next day (unless I die tonight, in which case kill bill murray first. I guess thats not quite the same thing... but.... My main point of all that is that, as dumb as bill murray is, his vote switch and jeejees vote switches were connected, and bill's main reason seems like it was simply because he doesnt like you. Maybe he is red and was taking advantage of Jeejee's PM. Probably not. Bill may be acting scummy, but he is also acting the same way he has every game. Madnessman's vote switch wasn't connected to theirs, if vote switches are suspicious, then he is suspicious, he wasn't following anyone that we've seen so far. I'm going to wait to see the day post until I say anything more.
Not even remotely the same thing. I'm saying feel free to take responsibility for the FoS. Madnessman cried to me in PMs going "IM SORRY I FUCKED UP ETC" and I can't really tell if its genuine, because Chez did the same thing 2 games ago, then I got bussed, then I died. Pretty much the exact same thing.
So I can't really tell if he's legit or not, but emotional responses of that type tend to be good, so for now I don't think madnessman is evil. Could be, but I dunno. BM, on the other hand, has contributed ZERO to the game except a smear campaign against me. I offered a plan. His plan was to fuck with mine. Frankly I don't see how you can equate the two in terms of pro-town contributions.
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On March 14 2010 09:06 citi.zen wrote:
My team? Are you now saying I should be lynched? For clarity.
Nah, I just think you're mafia and I dont' want to die. But if you do kill me, I'll be confirmed as town and a few things we've got going on behind the scenes will make you rather unhappy  .
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On March 14 2010 09:16 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2010 09:12 Iaaan wrote:
I don't think bill murray is pro town, I just don't think he is mafia, and I don't want to waste a lynch on him. I'm not set on madnessman either, I'm sure that will change with the day post.
I want a double lynch if we kill bill murray, so it doesn't get completely wasted. Who knows, maybe he is mafia, I just don't see anything out of the ordinary from him.
Perhaps my being "not pro town" is because I have someone busting my balls trying to get me killed every single page of this thread? I have also at least kept my archives relatively up to date, attempted to put some heat on people which led to madnessman acting scummy as fuck, and have been active in my posting, probably posting more content than anyone in terms of the amount.
Lol wait, so now you're trying to redirect attention to me and a co-vote swinger?
Trying to talk about the fact that you're scummy as fuck 'creates chaos'? No it doesn't.
I specifically didn't talk about killing you for the majority of the first day. I didn't even bother trying. I even told you if you wanted to put together a better profile on someone else that wasn't based on me being scum (and therefore agreeing with me = scummy behavior) I said I'd look at it.
So how exactly was I busting your balls, and why is me busting your balls so terrible that it prevents you from doing pro-town work?
Oh. It doesn't.
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On March 14 2010 09:19 Foolishness wrote:Someone called? NOBODY CARES! NOBODY CARES!...wait, you're not in this game... Of all the voting that took place, madnessman had the most fishy outcome. He changed his vote 3 times I think (including the time after day ended), making citi.zen's voting pattern look normal. He also tried to change at the last minute to offset the amount of votes going on Incognito. Definitely something strange going on there. While the swing on Incog is fishy as well, JeeJee turning up innocent probably indicates this was not mafia related.
Oh, you noticed citi.zen's voting pattern too. Good show. That would be the reason for my suspicion of him, as exemplified in the last two pages.
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And nothing of value was lost.
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On March 14 2010 11:21 Ace wrote:
someone actually killed Vivi Night 1?
ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
I know right?
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Citi.zen, if you feel so strongly about killing me, how's about we kill bill murray today and if I'm wrong, you kill me tomorrow.
Sounds like everyone wins.
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L, what makes you think Bill Murray is mafia? Read the thread.
Also: Why would you give it weight? Because unlike in the last game, where I all but claimed Gambino in the thread when Gambino were down, I'm town. If I'm not, there aren't ulterior concerns like keeping the mafia families equal which would motivate us to not kill me.
So, put in another way, what's stopping town from accepting my offer on day 3? Pretty much nothing.
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On March 14 2010 15:33 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2010 15:16 L wrote:L, what makes you think Bill Murray is mafia? Read the thread. I have. I'm not convinced. I'm asking if you have another argument.
The guy participates in a vote swing, posts no content, goes from townie posting stupid 1 liners to posting incriminatory blocks of text. I don't see how he's even remotely unsuspicious to anyone. I can't wrap my head around the fact that every objective piece of behavior bill has given us is 100% mafia tells, yet he has an ardent bunch of semi-defenders who claim to be on the fence but don't really decide to push anyone.
That reeks so hard of scum, its unreal. The fact that I even need to restate the case makes me wonder what's going on here.
If abenson is mafia for the third game in a row, i'd be surprised, but whatever. I don't think we learn very much by killing him if he flips green.
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On March 14 2010 16:23 Incognito wrote:Sarcasm much?
Nope.
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On March 14 2010 16:28 Incognito wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2010 16:25 L wrote:On March 14 2010 16:23 Incognito wrote:On March 14 2010 16:21 L wrote:
Yeah BC's pretty legit. Sarcasm much? Nope. Why do you think the mafia are offing that list though? Seems like a bad idea unless they know all of these people are inno? Otherwise they're just exposing themselves.
Low activity posters that aren't mafia are often blue. Vivi and Fulgrim posted very little during the first day and didn't really try to make themselves the center of attention.
If mafia has a role they want dead right now, its the medic and bus driver. Once one of those are dead, they can start chopping away at the BG block and kill our DT. After the DT/medic die, the mafia 'clock' stops ticking, because the amount of confirmed townies stops growing and the chance that goons get outed starts going up. Given the low kp/round, the game is likely to go on for a while, which means that the effects of the medic, driver and DT are incredibly amplified.
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On March 15 2010 01:07 Bill Murray wrote:
It's possible the mafia felt L would be medic protected.
More like L knew he was going to be bus driven because we even made it clear in the thread that we had the driver claim to us. As for tomorrow night, I have no idea, I'd rather the driver save his drivin' juice and have the medic focused on the BGs. If the mafia kill me, they'll be proving me legit, which will make a lot of the zero content L-haters on mafia look bad.
Either way, the best target for killing tonight is still bill murray. One does not simply walk into vote swings.
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