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On March 11 2010 05:04 L wrote:
I got a role that makes me want mayor. Mayor is DT checkable in this game, keep that in mind, so even if the other DT wants to check, he can, then the confirmed train can go to town. Mafia will be forced to burn through bodyguards, and if they have a member he'll become pretty obvious after the kill.
So yeah, I'm still planning on killing Bill Murray and I think I'm a pretty cool guy, so vote for me.
In terms of plans; You guys must be joking if you think that killing the town driver is a good idea. The town driver can literally swap mafia hit BACK AT MAFIA. ITS ABSOLUTELY BALLS OFF THE WALL AWESOME.
After I'm elected, I've got a small roleclaim based play to go with; I'll ask DTs to check certain people during the night so that we can get groups started. Should be a pretty simple game from there.
Might as well roleclaim at this point so we can confirm you one way or another. Or not. You've said too much already and are a mafia target anyway. If you are DT I do not want you dead.
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+ Show Spoiler +From: Fulgrim [ Profile | Buddy ]
Subject: Bonjour
Date: 3/11/10 12:26
Tu es rouge oui? C'est la verite? J'espere que je ne mort pas la derniere nuit.
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Keep'em coming.
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LOL - you're right, even I hadn't read it that closely. Man, this is pretty sloppy... wtf gives.
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That was directed @ Zona.
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On March 11 2010 12:57 Fulgrim wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2010 12:35 citi.zen wrote:+ Show Spoiler +From: Fulgrim [ Profile | Buddy ]
Subject: Bonjour
Date: 3/11/10 12:26
Tu es rouge oui? C'est la verite? J'espere que je ne mort pas la derniere nuit.
Reply Keep'em coming. I'm so proud of typing that without a translator, pure skill alone.
My thoughts upon receiving that message were exactly the same: very proud of your French. Duh...
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So BC has not denied his roleclaim. The question is: why choose this weird way to come out? Seems it was a slip-up from vivi? But then why would BC trust vivi without a rolecheeck??? BC is a smart player who knows the importance of dts in this game. Why risk it all for one vote??? It makes no sense if BC really is dt to take that risk in a pm.
Any comments BC??
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On March 12 2010 00:41 XeliN wrote:
If Bill gets a vote and I end up with none I'm going to have to invest in some razor blades.
Out of all the candidates so far, apart from me cos I already know I'm town, Incognito seems to be the strongest candidate.
That said if BC//L are legitimately claiming blue roles and they do not get into office then they may end up being prime targets for the Mafia to hit so I would suggest medic protection on them might not be a bad thing until the DT's can verify, although I wouldn't put it past them to claim that just to try get into office whether town or mafia.
I would probably vote for bill before you. However, there are two blue claims, so I must vote for one of those. However misguided their actions are to date.
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On March 12 2010 01:11 JeeJee wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2010 01:04 citi.zen wrote:On March 12 2010 00:41 XeliN wrote:
If Bill gets a vote and I end up with none I'm going to have to invest in some razor blades.
Out of all the candidates so far, apart from me cos I already know I'm town, Incognito seems to be the strongest candidate.
That said if BC//L are legitimately claiming blue roles and they do not get into office then they may end up being prime targets for the Mafia to hit so I would suggest medic protection on them might not be a bad thing until the DT's can verify, although I wouldn't put it past them to claim that just to try get into office whether town or mafia. I would probably vote for bill before you. However, there are two blue claims, so I must vote for one of those. However misguided their actions are to date. wrong wrong wrong why are you voting because they claimed they are not green? That is stupid. Anyone can do that, nobody can be verified. You should vote on those that seem the least scummy/most likely to be innocent. And yes they'll likely end up blue given the format but them claiming so should not be affecting your decision Look at the plans they've proposed, look at their participation in the thread and how they respond to other's questions. I wouldn't be voting for L if I were you
You're right: anyone can relo-claim. Would you (or anyone else) like to step up?
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On March 12 2010 01:52 JeeJee wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2010 01:43 citi.zen wrote:On March 12 2010 01:11 JeeJee wrote:On March 12 2010 01:04 citi.zen wrote:On March 12 2010 00:41 XeliN wrote:
If Bill gets a vote and I end up with none I'm going to have to invest in some razor blades.
Out of all the candidates so far, apart from me cos I already know I'm town, Incognito seems to be the strongest candidate.
That said if BC//L are legitimately claiming blue roles and they do not get into office then they may end up being prime targets for the Mafia to hit so I would suggest medic protection on them might not be a bad thing until the DT's can verify, although I wouldn't put it past them to claim that just to try get into office whether town or mafia. I would probably vote for bill before you. However, there are two blue claims, so I must vote for one of those. However misguided their actions are to date. wrong wrong wrong why are you voting because they claimed they are not green? That is stupid. Anyone can do that, nobody can be verified. You should vote on those that seem the least scummy/most likely to be innocent. And yes they'll likely end up blue given the format but them claiming so should not be affecting your decision Look at the plans they've proposed, look at their participation in the thread and how they respond to other's questions. I wouldn't be voting for L if I were you You're right: anyone can relo-claim. Would you (or anyone else) like to step up? what's the point? You still haven't answered why you are choosing to vote for the claimers solely because they're, well, claiming.
OK, let me slow it down:
what's the point?
Claiming a role is not without consequence or cost. It's simply not the case that "anyone can do it", just for fun.
You still haven't answered why you are choosing to vote for the claimers solely because they're, well, claiming
This has already been addressed by BC, myself, L, Incognito multiple times. Cliff-note version:
* At some point a blue role, unlike a green, can be verified through a night action.
* Early to mid game having a blue in office for town >>> having a red in office for mafia (the town kills through lynching, bodyguards are useless). Late game the extra votes matter more for mafia of course.
* The DT is pretty powerful in this version, thanks to the unlimited checks. No reason to risk losing them, even if I don't think BC or L are 100% blue.
* Even if someone lies to get elected, that position will force them to post more and leave a thicker trail. Generally good for town.
* MOAR stuff I don't feel like typing if you're not going to read anyway.
Also, somewhere in L's long post there's this:
Once elected, I want a DT check thrown at me with a PM once they know my role. At that point, it should be pretty obvious what I'm trying to do from the DT's perspective and the town will have a relatively safe way to roleclaim.
Don't do that DT. If you want to role-check him fine, but then wait for further proof before giving yourself away. Keep in mind the GF is only chosen after the mafia already knows if the won/lost the election.
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On March 12 2010 04:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2010 03:59 Zona wrote:On March 12 2010 03:39 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
The original reason for me claiming to three people was to garner votes for my campaign. Basically after elections if I didn't get in, and say 1 of those three refused to vote for me, chances are I would find a tell in their posts leading to one dead mafia anyway. I person not voting for you after your claim of DT doesn't necessarily mean they're mafia. Maybe they don't just trust you. No, but it gives alot of information for me to garner from them based off it. For instance, i can instantly out those two as fishy. Anyone can re examine their posts for tells, and voila information. Its not a fool proof test, but it gets something over nothing.
Just to close this discussion: are you saying you were planning to claim publicly anyway, after you gathered some PM intel, and vivi just happened to spill the beans?
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On March 12 2010 04:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2010 04:28 citi.zen wrote:On March 12 2010 04:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On March 12 2010 03:59 Zona wrote:On March 12 2010 03:39 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
The original reason for me claiming to three people was to garner votes for my campaign. Basically after elections if I didn't get in, and say 1 of those three refused to vote for me, chances are I would find a tell in their posts leading to one dead mafia anyway. I person not voting for you after your claim of DT doesn't necessarily mean they're mafia. Maybe they don't just trust you. No, but it gives alot of information for me to garner from them based off it. For instance, i can instantly out those two as fishy. Anyone can re examine their posts for tells, and voila information. Its not a fool proof test, but it gets something over nothing. Just to close this discussion: are you saying you were planning to claim publicly anyway, after you gathered some PM intel, and vivi just happened to spill the beans? Yes
OK, that makes it an internally consistent approach to me. You have my vote. + Show Spoiler +None of this means I trust you. However, I am certainly not willing to risk losing a DT. + Show Spoiler +Your treat for the day is another poem of course! + Show Spoiler +Rest ye in peace, ye Flanders dead.
The fight that ye so bravely led
We've taken up. And we will keep
True faith with you who lie asleep
With each a cross to mark his bed,
In Flanders fields.
Fear not that ye have died for naught.
The torch ye threw to us we caught.
Ten million hands will hold it high,
And Freedom's light shall never die!
We've learned the lesson that ye taught
In Flanders fields.
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Not "relatively content-free" but completely empty one-liners. Insert gay smiley-face about here. To show I'm a friendly chap and all. Wink-wink.
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BC did confirm vivi's story though. He also said he was going to publicly role-claim for himself anyway before the election.
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Probably the best written message I've ever seen from you Bill.
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On March 13 2010 00:56 L wrote:I voted for me. I dunno why that doesn't count anymore.
4. You cannot vote for yourself or anyone dead or outside the game.
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On March 11 2010 09:31 citi.zen wrote:
And L, you still cannot vote for yourself. Not even once, let alone twice. Sorry mate.
I can't even remember the last game to allow people to vote for themselves. Weren't you the one accusing everyone of not reading carefully? La-la-la...
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On March 13 2010 06:45 Incognito wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2010 06:37 nemY wrote:
I think regardless of who gets elected the most important thing the DT(s) should NOT do is ROLE-CLAIM to the mayor/pardoner. The chances of one of them being GF is so high that it's just not worth it yet. Unless the DT is telling other people about it too, you'd think a DT for GF trade is good, no?
No. I would not trade the detective for the GF in this format.
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Thank you Zona. Finally someone else gets it: the dt is huge in this game, and needs to play ultra safe. The medic is another story, if there is a mafia driver (also huge, as 8've been saying). Don't trust... anyone right now, it's just day 1 (a looooong one, to be sure). Madnessman worries me. Foolishness too. Plus those trying to confuse dts. Also, I continue to be amazed at how articulate bill is this game. Night&day change, how can this be??
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On March 13 2010 12:12 JeeJee wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2010 12:03 L wrote:On March 13 2010 12:01 Bill Murray wrote:
jeejee pmed me telling me to change my vote, and I originally wanted Incognito in power anyways. I voted for BC out of necessity so I can make the mafia waste a hit on me later on.
I guess i've finally convinced people not to trust you, and i'm going to admit something now:
I kind of trust you, L.
Sorry that I was so accusatory with you, I sort of had to do that to keep myself alive.
I feel like you're either townie or the bus driver... only like 10-15% chance of being mafia. Well, doesn't really matter. Both you and JeeJee should probably be our next 2 lynch targets. If you believed me, and thought i was the driver, you'd want me sitting protected as pardoner. Incog now has the most BLATANTLY OBVIOUS FISHY VOTE TRAIN that I've ever seen. Bunch of inactives, then a vote swing. Wow. yeah i tried my best to start the swing via PMs because i trust incog, i don't trust you, and if you were mafia, changing votes ahead of time with 3 viable candidates pretty much guarantees that they get who they want in via gradual change themselves (or last-minute wagon if they want to look fishy). at this point, i'm sure they didn't get who they wanted in. but hey if you think i'm mafia and dumb enough to pm random people and ask to change the vote instead of working with my mafia buddies, then what can i say. all mindgamez now 
How can. You openly say you "trust incognito" at this point in the game? Even he will tell you right now it's based on... nothing. Maybe faith. I didn't have you picked as the gullible kind.
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On March 13 2010 12:41 flamewheel91 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2010 12:38 citi.zen wrote:
Thank you Zona. Finally someone else gets it: the dt is huge in this game, and needs to play ultra safe. The medic is another story, if there is a mafia driver (also huge, as 8've been saying). Don't trust... anyone right now, it's just day 1 (a looooong one, to be sure). Madnessman worries me. Foolishness too. Plus those trying to confuse dts. Also, I continue to be amazed at how articulate bill is this game. Night&day change, how can this be?? T_T Sorry. I haven't heard anything from BC so we can't go to night until then...
It's all good. My 13h workday is finally over, on the train home, in no hurry since I'll probably crash when I get home anyway. Take your time!
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Enogh to start pm-ing people campaigning for him. Say you are right and L is red. Would it make sense to contact unproven people to convince them of that? What are the chances of reaching out to another red? Why does that not concern you? Lol - oopsie...
I mean "yes please" spell out the context.
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