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On March 08 2010 02:25 Fulgrim wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2010 02:01 L wrote:On March 08 2010 01:49 ~OpZ~ wrote:On March 07 2010 15:06 meeple wrote:On March 07 2010 15:05 nemY wrote:
My thoughts on the situation?
Malongo's a fucking idiot for what he did, but the reality is that he's unlikely to be CIA and so we should probably ignore him for the rest of the game (unless someone is really sure that he's CIA)
I don't think we're worried about him being mafia... but more about the consequences of acting without consulting the town. Right? Why would we waste another day/night cycle? That's just handing the mafia over more kills to make without doing ANYTHING. No body points that out to Ace? On March 07 2010 13:56 L wrote:
Also, if we're following the list, next person up to hit is abenson, and the next person to get DT checked all up ins is Ace. Terribly wasteful if every DT checks Ace. I agree, but DTs rarely listen to the town anyways, and they generally go off and check whomever they feel like checking. On this page Bill Murray and Abenson post useless shit. Fulgrim goes from posting useless shit to rehashing other people's positions, then back to posting shit. Abenson should probably kill one of the other two come tomorrow. What's more:!:!:!: 100% on the 'no taking a shot out of order or you die' unless you have a REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEALLLLLY good reason from tomorrow onwards. L this page: Shit Seriously why aren't we pm'ing a player all of our lists and then going with the list of a green who died? Does anyone have a reason why we SHOULDN'T follow that? Also if we ARE going with Ace's list and ignoring Citi.zen, then DT's should be checking Absenon tonight not Vivi, work from the bottom of the list up, so that way if Ace is mafia we catch the people who he tried to keep safe at the end of the list.
Wait, why am I being skipped/ignored? By all means check me/ask me to shoot someone :-)
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Also, I did think of many variations of the "list", such as pm-ing them. We'd need multiple players, not 1, otherwise we could be picking a red. Then these can all post the list. However, one or more could still be mafia, others could become targets at night, etc. Messy, I don't like it.
The reverse order of Ace's seems fine, as does Incognito's sign-up list idea.
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so it is just me or there's a big flaw with just deciding to randomly pm someone the lists, then rely on them to post the list of the ones that died? it is just kind of staring there at you
also L why are you ignoring my posts =( not cool.. i still want to hear your reasoning for wanting to shoot someone who you think is green and is acting in the best interests of the town, and you're going to have to do better than (direct quote) " because malongo is awesome"
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WE NEED TO VOTE FOR A PLAN OF ACTION.
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Lets stop discussing how to generate lists. The list has been generated. Right now lets discuss on who to shoot. I'm down for Malongo for obvious reasons, but I'm all ears for other suggestions. My second target would be Xelin for not reading the thread or anyone else against the idea of the ordered role claim that doesn't give us better options.
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A. GOP: Ace's list of random fun
B. Challenging for power: Citi.zen's dead man's style
C. Third Party Candidate: L's if you kill him I'll kill you Babe Ruth "called-shot" style
PM me your votes lol
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Well if we are going to go with random lists that is made by a confirmed green. Here's my proposition. We start with Ace's inverted list which will have Abenson as the first to execute. I think you can all agree with me (no offense abenson) that it is unlikely abenson was chosen as the CIA agent. If he can shoot he is more than likely green. Then abenson could use the same method Ace did to create a list. This would give us a list that we will not have to worry about bias.
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i agree; in addition i like one of abenson/bill as targets
they're both shitting up the thread
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@789: I agree with that idea. Even if the GF got the list early, it would be rerandomized again so scum won't have enough time to come up with a good fake claim. ^_^
So when we decide on who's the must scummy person, Abenson shoots. If it goes through and he's a confirmed shooter he randomizes the next list. However DTs should still check me that night.
The next Day we follow Abenson's list.
Player in the first slot has to shoot the person the town decides is most scummy.
Player in the second slot gets DT checked.
^_^
I love this idea. Rotating random lists is like a search light in prison looking for escaped convicts.
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did anyone even read my post?
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Done re-reading, much clearer than yesterday how this game is working.
First of all, people (and mainly 789 just now) pointed out that the CIA Agent would be chosen (like the GF in previous games). I don't see anything that point toward this in the OP, so I would just want to know if that really is the case.
If that's the case, I like the idea of using the randomised list of the first shooting person (Abenson).
And rereading the part with Malongo shooting Chezinu, I really don't see how Malongo could be anything but green...
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Sidesprang, you left out some critical details that makes it hard to reach a conclusion on your idea. The first is how do you arrive at who gets executed; you didn't address this at all. If it is a random person it is really no different then having a random person executing the most suspicious player. The next is what happens when the most suspicious person does not perform a kill. Obviously that person will role claim blue, regardless of being red or blue. Do you kill him for refusing and possibly kill a blue or let a red skate by for another night. Sure he can be role claimed and killed the next day, but what if it ends up being the difference in lowering their KP for that night.
CynanMachae, yeah I guess I kind of assumed it was the same. It would be good to have a clarification there.
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Just read all the posts, Malongo probably isnt mafia, but I guess it is good to keep the metagame going or whatever. I do kinda think it was inevitable that Chezinu would die, he even PM'ed me before the game saying he thought he would die from the way he played other games.
but I guess it really helpful to say much about it, I'm not going to change anyone's mind.
All I really have to reiterate at this point, is that we should all use Incognito's Red Army Archives, to make life easier for everyone.
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I disagree with Aces plan and quite frankly i would consider the simple fact that he is pressing to kill molongo, someone who to me seems highly likely to be green, as a valid reason in itself not to go along with it.
If aces plan is implemented I will not be following it and if this results in my death then meh, the life expectancy of Russians is probably quite low anyway.
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On March 08 2010 02:17 Ace wrote:
List order
dozko
Vivi57
Incognito
citi.zen
Meeple
XeliN
JeeJee
Bill Murray
CynanMachae
789
L
l10f
Fulgrim
d3_crescentia
Johnnyspazz
~OpZ~
Foolishness
Shockeyy
Nemy
Iaaan
Fishball
Sidesprang
Ace
Abenson
Plan of action:
dozko shoots Malongo unless there's a better target. I'm all for players that are clearly not thinking or criticizing the plan without giving us better options. Players that only criticize and offer nothing are playing anti-town and hence would be good to shoot.
DT check on Vivi57.
INVERT. THE. LIST.
Dt check Ace, Abenson is the first to hit.
Also JeeJee what have I missed? Quite frankly I don't see anything that you've said that isn't covered, so feel free to bring something up explicitly if you want me to deal with it.
Fulgrim: Rofl, basically you're pulling a standard "don't tread on me". Pretty sure your overreaction to a rather weak suspicion is indicative of mafia or blue.
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Xelin, if you read the thread, its pretty clear that the reason to kill Malongo is to preserve the quality of future games more than it is because he is red. I dont know if I agree with it, but no one has really suggested a better target (I don't think).
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On March 08 2010 03:33 Iaaan wrote:
Xelin, if you read the thread, its pretty clear that the reason to kill Malongo is to preserve the quality of future games more than it is because he is red. I dont know if I agree with it, but no one has really suggested a better target (I don't think). Fulgrim, Abenson, the current most inactive player.
Many suggestions have been put out but people seem to be intentionally not talking about it.
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+ Show Spoiler +On March 08 2010 03:31 L wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2010 02:17 Ace wrote:
List order
dozko
Vivi57
Incognito
citi.zen
Meeple
XeliN
JeeJee
Bill Murray
CynanMachae
789
L
l10f
Fulgrim
d3_crescentia
Johnnyspazz
~OpZ~
Foolishness
Shockeyy
Nemy
Iaaan
Fishball
Sidesprang
Ace
Abenson
Plan of action:
dozko shoots Malongo unless there's a better target. I'm all for players that are clearly not thinking or criticizing the plan without giving us better options. Players that only criticize and offer nothing are playing anti-town and hence would be good to shoot.
DT check on Vivi57.
INVERT. THE. LIST. Dt check Ace, Abenson is the first to hit. Also JeeJee what have I missed? Quite frankly I don't see anything that you've said that isn't covered, so feel free to bring something up explicitly if you want me to deal with it. Fulgrim: Rofl, basically you're pulling a standard "don't tread on me". Pretty sure your overreaction to a rather weak suspicion is indicative of mafia or blue.
It was more of the fact that you told me I was posting "shit", which I was pointing out you weren't doing much better, but whatever =).
Why are people so opposed to everyone making a list, and pming it to two people and then those people will post the list of whoever dies tonight?
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On March 08 2010 03:41 Fulgrim wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 08 2010 03:31 L wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2010 02:17 Ace wrote:
List order
dozko
Vivi57
Incognito
citi.zen
Meeple
XeliN
JeeJee
Bill Murray
CynanMachae
789
L
l10f
Fulgrim
d3_crescentia
Johnnyspazz
~OpZ~
Foolishness
Shockeyy
Nemy
Iaaan
Fishball
Sidesprang
Ace
Abenson
Plan of action:
dozko shoots Malongo unless there's a better target. I'm all for players that are clearly not thinking or criticizing the plan without giving us better options. Players that only criticize and offer nothing are playing anti-town and hence would be good to shoot.
DT check on Vivi57.
INVERT. THE. LIST. Dt check Ace, Abenson is the first to hit. Also JeeJee what have I missed? Quite frankly I don't see anything that you've said that isn't covered, so feel free to bring something up explicitly if you want me to deal with it. Fulgrim: Rofl, basically you're pulling a standard "don't tread on me". Pretty sure your overreaction to a rather weak suspicion is indicative of mafia or blue. It was more of the fact that you told me I was posting "shit", which I was pointing out you weren't doing much better, but whatever =). Why are people so opposed to everyone making a list, and pming it to two people and then those people will post the list of whoever dies tonight?
Generally you need to actually be pointing out something that is true, and since I've been posting real content and you decided to take an upswing in activity by plopping out empty posts after someone threatened to kill inactives I've got a feeling that I'm still a shining white knight compared to you.
Why would
1) everyone make a list
2) pm it to 2 people
Is there a purpose there? Is there some importance to it? I mean I understand that we're going to try to randomize the list, but I really don't see why we'd do so in a way that lets people severely game the system and avoid detection.
Additionally; Plans that require EVERYONE to do something (rather than not do something) never work. Not once. The only exception is a 100% confirmed townsperson asking for roleclaims.
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On March 08 2010 03:46 L wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2010 03:41 Fulgrim wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 08 2010 03:31 L wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2010 02:17 Ace wrote:
List order
dozko
Vivi57
Incognito
citi.zen
Meeple
XeliN
JeeJee
Bill Murray
CynanMachae
789
L
l10f
Fulgrim
d3_crescentia
Johnnyspazz
~OpZ~
Foolishness
Shockeyy
Nemy
Iaaan
Fishball
Sidesprang
Ace
Abenson
Plan of action:
dozko shoots Malongo unless there's a better target. I'm all for players that are clearly not thinking or criticizing the plan without giving us better options. Players that only criticize and offer nothing are playing anti-town and hence would be good to shoot.
DT check on Vivi57.
INVERT. THE. LIST. Dt check Ace, Abenson is the first to hit. Also JeeJee what have I missed? Quite frankly I don't see anything that you've said that isn't covered, so feel free to bring something up explicitly if you want me to deal with it. Fulgrim: Rofl, basically you're pulling a standard "don't tread on me". Pretty sure your overreaction to a rather weak suspicion is indicative of mafia or blue. It was more of the fact that you told me I was posting "shit", which I was pointing out you weren't doing much better, but whatever =). Why are people so opposed to everyone making a list, and pming it to two people and then those people will post the list of whoever dies tonight? Generally you need to actually be pointing out something that is true, and since I've been posting real content and you decided to take an upswing in activity by plopping out empty posts after someone threatened to kill inactives I've got a feeling that I'm still a shining white knight compared to you. Why would 1) everyone make a list 2) pm it to 2 people Is there a purpose there? Is there some importance to it? I mean I understand that we're going to try to randomize the list, but I really don't see why we'd do so in a way that lets people severely game the system and avoid detection. Additionally; Plans that require EVERYONE to do something (rather than not do something) never work. Not once. The only exception is a 100% confirmed townsperson asking for roleclaims.
You could call it an upswing in participation, it was a saturday night I was out. I like posting my thoughts whether you think them trash or not.
Ok lets talk about the town's plan for a minute. We wanted a list of people that we could use to decide the order for who is doing the shooting each day. Ace came up with a list of people and declared Malongo to be the first target. So the issue with his list is that we don't know whether Ace is mafia or not, which could be solved by either A) Killing him, B) Rolechecking him, or C) Using a different list! I was trying to expand on citi.zen's idea that everyone could make a random list and pm it to two designated people. That way we could solve the problem without wasting a DT check (which Ace could be a CIA agent), or killing Ace. It makes the most sense to ME at least.
I agree with your last point at least, that getting a large amount of people to do something is difficult, but chances are the mafia would kill one of the people who are being active, and who would pm their list to these people.
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