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I think its at 250 or 300 or something, I'm just over 200 posts and still a wee probie ): | ||
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On February 10 2010 11:35 citi.zen wrote: Fuzzy math - I smell a mafioso. (; | ||
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On February 10 2010 12:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote: the amount of time you've been registered is also taken into account, not just post count ;o Oh, how technical. | ||
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That said, looking briefly at the potential clues, it looked to me that one person from one family is associated with riding horses, and one of the other family is associated with light/fire. Just going quickly over everyones names/profile pic/quote, I saw these people connected to one of those potential clues: 789 + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/userfiles/54363.jpg?1265212766) His profile picture Ace + Show Spoiler + If darkness is bad, why does it hide you? If light is good, why does it blind you? - ItEndsInTears Is his quote, Chezinu pointed this out also Amber[LighT] + Show Spoiler + Just for his name o: Mystlord + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/userfiles/38753.jpg?1265874875) Is his picture, and ""Lolita, light of my life, fire of my loins. My sin, my soul." ~Vladimir Nabokov" is in his public profile, which is really long, but that little bit of text is bolded and right at the start, so it stand out. Malongo + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/userfiles/19294.jpg?1265951140) Profile picutre, and his quote is: Help me! im still improving my English. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. M. G. | ||
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On February 14 2010 08:49 Chezinu wrote: you forgot to mention your quote: "Black is the absence of light, but white is the absence of memory; the color of nothing." just for fairness yea ok ;p On February 14 2010 08:51 Chezinu wrote: You should vote for citi.zen to put your words into action. also: how many people have moons in their profile? o have a profile about darkness and shadows and light.... a lot.... I'm waiting to vote still (: And yeah lots of people have stuff in their profiles. Again I don't think clues are reliable at this point, but I still thought I would point out the profiles that stood out to me. | ||
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On February 14 2010 09:06 l10f wrote: Hello fellow town members, I would like to run for mayor. And you should vote for me. I don't want to die on the first night like last time, and since my star is blue, that must mean I have a blue role! So everyone vote for me  I also agree with Ver that we shouldn't be pointing fingers with one piece of information. We should wait till we have more, and if several clues point to one person, we have a better chance of catching the mafia. Well, everyone GL HF! ): @ getting killed last game But I still think we should consider/discuss clues, as again they are one of the bigger things we have to talk about early on, and can potentially be helpful. of course they aren't accurate at this point, but they should still be talked about. | ||
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But I agree with meeple. | ||
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I hope not too many veteran players are Mafia, or the town is screwed ;d | ||
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The lynching right now doesn't feel too important to me; the main weapon to kill the mafia are the mafia themselves, for the first little bit at least. | ||
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On February 14 2010 12:16 Ace wrote: We should NEVER rely on clues are our primary weapon for catching Mafia. Remember they are based on interpretation NOT fact. This is why I said it DOES NOT MATTER how many more people in the game are Mafia, it's always going to come down to guesswork. At the very least we can focus on behavior. Look at all the people vying for clue work when it's an easily acceptable fact by anyone that has played before that it's a bad idea. Clues aren't the primary weapon for catching mafia, just another tool; I can't see why you say we should completely ignore them, at a time when clues are the only thing we have. Obviously no one is going to change your mind, but your not going to stop people from talking about clues either. Its great that you've warned people to be wary of clues, but repeating it isn't really useful. | ||
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On February 14 2010 12:27 Ace wrote: because I'm not going to sit here and point fingers for no reason. I won't sit here and start revenge accusations just because the clues don't point to me. I won't go looking for people and say HEY THE CLUES POINT TO THIS GUY NOT ME - that doesn't help the town. It just invites one more person into the ruckus and then they have incentive to point to someone else, etc. That's just going to start a bunch of arguments. So far that's 2 things I've got you on that are incentive to cause town uprising aka Mafia Behavior. Come on, one more thing so I can check you on the list and start my epic post. I'm happy that you don't want to accuse people without a good reason, but the clues still point to you. Thats probably not enough for anyone to lynch you, but its still there. | ||
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Or should I just be ignoring him? xd | ||
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I agree with Cresentia tho, if a Mafia member is elected, it becomes the other families priority to kill them. If they are a townie, great, the mafia doesn't care so much about them. Win Win for the town (: | ||
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On February 14 2010 13:46 L wrote: Which brings me to another point; With 20 mafia, how often do you think we'll be revisiting the same characters? Interesting point; clues may not overlap on one Mafia until much later. On February 14 2010 13:42 redtooth wrote: oh and i totally forgot to mention that the reason i want mayor to lynch a losing vet mayor candidate is because mafia wants to get a person into mayor position. they won't send a random member because that person won't have any chance of winning and BC has a legit chance of winning mayor/pardoner. we've done this before (lynching a losing vet mayor) but i think it has double effectiveness because we should have 2 (DOUBLE!) mafia families submitting members for mayor candidacy. I agree with this, but what do the people running think? | ||
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We haven't talked about the blue roles much. Bill Murray seems just dumb to me, mafia or not. Without talking about clues, I'm sure there would be significantly less talk. So accurate or not, still helpful. and arg TSL delays ): | ||
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But that said, I'm not sure who would be a better person to lynch. And I like your post, but do you have a longer term plan? How do you want to use the Blue roles? | ||
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On February 15 2010 12:20 Ace wrote: Of course you can't see it, cuz you're not me ^_^ Don't worry about Iaaan. Dr.H comes off way more suspicious for the mere fact he's equating my behavior as Mafia-ish. Really do we have to go through this every game where someone keeps trying to get a bandwagon against me? Either way like I said if you're going to try and use clues as the motivating factor for lynches this game then the town has to agree to hold anyone responsible for mistakes. If you start a bandwagon, or are a main contributor in the lynching of a townie you deserve to be lynched off the bat. No exceptions. In the event I die, when I flip green I really don't want anyone to say "well it was a mistaken clue interpretation". I'm happy your not worrying about me, but I have a posting coming up on why you are mafia. You'll be happy that its not based off clues. | ||
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For the town to win, we do not need to kill mafia; the Mafia‘s own KP will be the greatest weapon against the Mafia. What we, the town, needs to do is prepare for the later parts of the game, when our influence on the game really matters. In order to get ready for when our own KP matters, we need information. People have talked about putting together information, by profiling the clues, making circles of people who are connected to each other, and just watching what people post. The other way I can think of getting information is through lynches; if one person being red incriminates another person, it is more useful for the town to lynch them, again with the idea of controlling the balance between the mafia families in the later game. Other than having information, how can we increase our chance of winning? By killing the experienced Mafia. It makes sense to me that the veteran players are taking charge of their Mafia families. Therefore, while killing random Mafia members at this point may not ultimately benefit the town (you may disagree, but it would really just give an early advantage to one of the Mafia families), killing their leader will help the town. So who, with what I’ve said so far, who is the best person to lynch? Ace. Ace. is organizing one of the Mafia families, and Redtooth is his accomplice. The way I have linked them is through Redtooths post for candidacy. + Show Spoiler + On February 15 2010 06:53 redtooth wrote: enough of this. time to get the ball rolling. please prepare for content because... I AM ANNOUNCING MY CANDIDACY FOR MAYOR ![[image loading]](http://i47.tinypic.com/hx9rb9.png) PLATFORM I am running for mayor. Some of you may know that I never run for any position regardless of my role, the reasons being similar to the ones Ver listed. However, I am willing to invest enough energy and effort to lead the town to victory. I have participated in enough mafia games and have developed an adequate understanding of the game. My play so far has demonstrated that I am capable of the high level thinking required for mayor of the town. Also, I am a Decision Science major at Carnegie Mellon. I play mafia for a living. THE OTHER CANDIDATES All of the other veterans running thus far (Ace, BC, L) have too much suspicion surrounding them to be good mayor candidates. Some of the other candidates are either jokes (Chezinu, MasterDana, l10f), or unproven so far in the game (meeple, DrH, citizen). Electing Ver after how the early portion of the elections played out earlier is very very dangerous. I stated earlier that we should not vote for Ver but refrained from explicitly laying out the reasons why. Now that he has outright declared his candidacy, I guess it's time to share my thought process. Quoting an earlier PM I sent to someone: Ver has, knowingly or unknowingly, taken advantage of the opportunity and halfheartedly declared his candidacy. This is the exact position we wanted to avoid. Before I was planning on running for Mayor, I requested that he withdraw his candidacy but I think just explaining the reasons in public should be enough to show that electing him as mayor is unwise. PRE-EMPTIVE DEFENSE Some may be suspicious of me due to my somewhat passionate defense of Ace. As stated before, I have a high degree of respect for Ace and did not want to kill him off due to what I perceived as clue analysis on red herrings. I also don't believe any of the veterans should be killed to "gain interesting insight into how Incognito's clues are going to work" (quoted from [NyC]HoBbes). My late entry into mayoral race shouldn't be regarded with too much suspicion either. Nobody expected the mayor candidates to be caught up in so much shit. I wasn't voted for prior to my announcement so my argument against Ver's candidacy doesn't apply to me. LYNCH CANDIDATE If elected mayor, I plan on lynching Bill Murray. There are obvious reasons (noted by Chezinu in a previous post) why we should be suspicious of him but there is much more to gain from lynching BM. So far he has presented himself as either a bad mafia or an idiot townie. Of course there is a chance that he flips green when mayor lynched and we waste a lynch but we get rid of a player that has a history of being detrimental to the town and isn't too valuable an asset to the town if he is indeed green. However, in the case that he flips red, we are provided with a wealth of information via the list that he posted. So far Bill has yet to post a legitimate defense, choosing instead to make a string of five or so posts that amounts to a desperate strike back at those that accused him. This makes him highly suspicious in my book. I am planning on checking over his behavior in the last game he played but FUTURE PLANS To kill the mafia of course. We have to use our lynches to maximum efficiency and somehow get the DTs to broadcast their information without revealing their identity. Later on in the game, clue analysis should be more abundant than ever before because all players (mafia and town-aligned) benefit from the analysis. If Bill Murray flips red then the focus should immediately shift to the list he posted. The most notable oddity in the list was the absence of Ace despite the mountain of suspicion surrounding him. Please also remember that I was on the list. If anything, it would make sense that either both of us are on the list (a mafia defending a fellow mafia), neither of us are on the list (a townie defending a fellow townie), or Ace is on but I'm not (a mistaken townie risking his neck to defend a mafia). It doesn't make sense that I am on the list but Ace is not (a mafia defending a random townie). Please note that my attempt to lynch Bill Murray isn't out of anger towards him due to my name being on the list. So as of now I would place Ace in the same 'group' as Bill Murray. Though I fought hard to defend Ace thus far, he is far from exonerated and L's clue analysis is as solid as you can possibly get with only Day 1 clues. That means, depending on what color Bill flips, Ace becomes highly suspicious once more. Having said all that I feel that we should keep all the veterans alive as long as possible. They are capable of identifying mafia and (whether its through clue analysis or behavior analysis) call out individuals to lynch. Why is this beneficial for the town? Well as I stated earlier, town can't win if mafia takes out town first but at the same time a mafia family can't win unless they kill off the other mafia family. To identify and call out a mafia member in public would mean either the town or the opposing mafia family can kill that person off. Also, anyone who's been mafia before would know that killing off a veteran mafia member doesn't really get rid of their influence (due to reasons I don't want to state publicly). tl;dr You shouldn't vote for other mayor candidates due to various reasons. Vote for me. I am reasonable, logical, and have basic plans with more in the making. Most importantly, I am innocent. Thank you for your time. The things that make me consider him Mafia are his pre emptive defence, lynch candidate, and his future plans. First off, the preemtive defence. Quite simply, this is him justifying his support for Ace. First Redtooth supports Ace, claiming that the Day 1 clues are always useless. Later he wavers slightly in his support, contradicting himself and admitting that the clues may be useful, but now it looks like he has gone back to supporting Ace. This could be a little ambiguous, but I think that complete/blind trust is suspicious, and maybe Redtooth thinks that aswell. This is also significant, because Redtooths main defence against accusations against him, and people linking him to Ace is that Redtooth claims to mistrust Ace, while refusing to provide a reason. As for lynching Bill Murray in order to determine Ace’s roll, this is just silly. I think most of us can see that Bill Murray was being dumb, but not mafia. By saying that Ace is red if BM is red, when BM is obviously green, Redtooth is creating an arbitrary defence for Ace, as well as wasting a lynch on killing a townie that will not give us any useful information. Redtooth also states that we should keep veterans alive; I can’t say this makes him mafia, it sounds reasonable, but I’ve stated my reasons already why keeping veterans alive is not a good strategy. As for other supporting facts, Ace’s posts arguing with L have not actually refuted any of his points, only deflected them by agreeing with Redtooth that Day 1 clues are useless, when I think it is pretty clear that the clues COULD point to Ace. Other people supporting Ace include Decafchicken, who hasn’t said anything, but just voted for Ace (assuming one of the Mafia families candidates are Redtooth and Ace, Ace is the one with more votes, thus the logical one to vote for), and Abenson hasn’t really added anything, only supported Ace IIRC. These peoples connections aren’t solid, and I’m sure there are other people with similar connections, but I haven’t bothered to find them yet. I haven’t covered anything, but many things have already said if you have read through the thread, but I do want to quote this one post: On February 15 2010 12:03 L wrote: Ace and I, while often opponents, do not typically argue about this we consider irrelevant. If Ace says he thinks clues are worthless, he actually thinks clues are worthless. Many of our arguments come up after the game ends again because neither of us are convinced that our opposite made a good case. In the current instance, I don't see what Ace's argument is other than "I SET A TRAP BECAUSE EVERYONE WHO AGREES WITH L MUST BE MAFIA". Seems pretty dumb; if you actually set that trap, you'd be going balls deep trying to kill Iaaan. I agree with many things L has said, the most relevant one being that Ace’s arguments/”trap” are bad, and I support him for saying he may lynch Ace if elected. I was considering voting for citizen, but L is more active, and again I agree with a lot of what he has to say. I can think of a few more reasons that L is the best candidate, but this post is getting pretty long, and my focus is on Ace If anything is unclear/missing, I am happy to talk about that in a later post; I know I haven’t included everything. My last thought, following the theme of getting information for later in the game from out lynch, if Ace is red, it could rule out the other people being accused for the blinding/brightness clues if he flips green, and if he flips red, it gives us a circle of potential Mafia. We win either way. I await your counter arguments; I hope you consider this accusation worthy of a response. | ||
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On February 15 2010 12:48 Bill Murray wrote: - i agree with using a fact and lying to make the lie more believable, but how did you come to the conclusion that i was green? - why? he is behaving completely differently this game compared with the last game... he is scheming and lurking in the shadows. your posts were just incriminating/dumb for a little bit, but your actions after that I think make it pretty obvious that your green. I was considering citizen for the first few hours because of his play the previous game, but last game isn't this game and it doesn't seem like citizen has contributed as much. On February 15 2010 12:42 Ace wrote: oh dear /facepalm That's all? On February 15 2010 12:48 redtooth wrote:  .laaan i was even looking forward to your post. how does everybody see that ace and i can't both be mafia? again, that's all? On February 15 2010 12:47 meeple wrote: I enjoy that you revisited this, and please correct me but what is new about this argument for Ace? We've already discussed that: 1) Clues may point to him 2) He had a vigorous defense that may be suspicious to some Granted alot of the arguments are repeated, I think the main things I had to add are how I think the the town should play to win, and why Ace is a better person to have lynched then anyone else. I also think that I added some things connecting Redtooth and Ace; it seemed like most people hadn't considered Redtooths candidacy post. And i haven't seen Ace address most of the arguments against him still. | ||
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Your not being accused of Mafia because your defending yourself. Your hardly defending yourself at all, just saying that other people are dumb. I had not heard of you before this game; I'm new to mafia and TL/starcraft, I'm not accusing you because of your reputation, but because out of everyone you are most likely to be mafia. People have read the what has been said, I'm sure they can decide if they think Ace should be lynched or not (and thus vote for someone who pledges to lynch him). | ||
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On February 15 2010 14:37 redtooth wrote: listen kid. i'm going to point it out to you again. it's fairly obvious that i'm townie. like very very obvious. so obvious in fact that i'm surprised at the number of people PM'ing me and saying "OH I DONT THINK YOU ARE MAFIA" and either "I AM THIS ROLE" or "WHO DO YOU THINK MAFIA IS" lol. thanks guys. you guys make me blush. for those of you that still don't get it, I AM NOT MAFIA. let's look at the possibilities where i am mafia and why that possibility won't work. - both Ace and I are mafia - Ace is town-aligned and I am mafia Ace and I can't both be mafia. you guys let BM off the hook with the logic that "oh mafia wouldn't let him do something as stupid as that". now think about my actions. i literally went out of my way to defend ace because there were some insights into the clue structure that i felt L wasn't considering it. now if both ace and i were mafia, why would i so blatantly associate myself with ace and create a double target? if anything i can tell ace the same arguments and let him express it himself, letting the mafia family cut their losses with only 1 dead mafia. later on i started to suspect ace of being mafia and stopped defending him, another suspicious event in the eyes of the town but obviously understandable after i explain my reasons. these are all very very very risky plays if i were mafia. the alternative is Ace and i aren't aligned but i am mafia. then reason out why mafia would go out of his way to defend a random townie (or even worse a mafia of the other family). lol i could have done that to earn ace's trust but that's quite a difficult target to trick. that scenario doesn't make any sense at all either. i thought it was so obvious that you guys would understand without me explicitly laying it out but now do you understand why? please understand why... i'm getting sick of this. Your first paragraph is useless; it cannot be proven, it is not a fact, If its true great, you have some people supporting you. I don't think that shows in the main thread. You haven't addressed why you became suspicious of Ace, as myself and DoctorH and probably other people have asked; both you and Ace seem to dodge around many points made against you. You also haven't said anything following up your decision to lynch Bill murray; starting to realize it was a mistake? It is also inconsistent how you have warmed up to the idea of clues. You say its very risky, but considering that fact that your both running in the election, you need to be active/look like you have arguments (and who knows, you could even be trying to find the other mafia family). Its been said before that the day 1 lynch is always a crapshoot. I'm willing to consider other people, but I haven't seen a better argument for anyone else, I don't think more information can be gained from killing anyone else. | ||
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I wrote about this in my first long post, I see connections between you, Redtooth, and possibly other people like decefchicken and abenson. and if your red, we can connect you to one of the clues, and thus rule out other people who also fit the same clue. If your green, then it still leaves suspicion on the people who fit the clue. And I'm going to bed now, no more posts from me for like 12 hours. | ||
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On February 15 2010 17:30 Foolishness wrote: Yes yes, let's please focus on those who aren't contributing. Multiple people have stated that it's going to be very easy for mafia to hide among the shadows this game (mostly due to the large number of people and subsequent lack of posting from a bunch of them). I read these posts where people are saying "oh if so and so is mafia, then x and y are also mafia as well. Or if we kill this person and he turns up green, then these three people must all be mafia". Get real guys, mafia aren't out here sabotaging the election or anything. They are sitting by having fun reading the thread and posting their votes when needed. Bill Murray is the safest option to be in office as he is the most likely to be on the townside. Chezinu is just as likely, but Chezinu is prone to fuck ups so we don't want to put him in office. And might I suggest the 5 line rule to you as well. If on any post the writer does not produce at least 5 lines of his own creation, don't read the post. Chances are nothing important was said. Nobody Cares Syndrome is affecting many people in this game. Iaaan has never said anything worthwhile this game yet so I'd go ahead and ignore anything he says as well. I'm noticing this because its me that your are talking about; you are singling me out as a useless poster, when in my view at least, there are plenty of other more useless posters. While I admit alot of my posts were dumb, I have made a few that are worth reading (specifically on page 41), yet you ignore those ones and single me out as an idiot. People will have their own opinion on what this means, and I don't want to revenge accuse, but it is worth pointing out. In regards to the godfather, it isn't likely for them to choose anyone who will potentially be lynched/killed in the night 1/day 2 post or anyone who may be elected. This basically rules out L, Ace, Redtooth, Empyrean, and some other people who I'm too lazy to think of, but you know who they are. This is important because it makes them good choices for role checks; they are potentially mafia leaders, without protected identities. (these next few things are less important/useless) I'm leaning less towards Redtooth being mafia, and by extension a little less towards Ace, but I think that Redtooth has made some reasonable posts. Still suspicious, but I was considering lynching Empyrean instead (even if I'm not sure what information can be gained from killing him, mafia or not), and seeing Ver's post consolidated that. I see why people (foolishness/Redtooth) were voting for Bill Murray, I'm pretty sure he isn't mafia, but I still don't agree with electing him, with all his useless spamming. I like Ver and Citi.zens posts/plans. | ||
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On February 16 2010 06:57 d3_crescentia wrote: L, I'll nibble... only a bit. The clues we have regarding Emp are that his name has links to light, fire and heaven, but it seems to me that "thinking that an angel had saved the town" is more a manner of speech; a being masked by light is not necessarily the same as an angelic being. Consider BloodyCobbler's profile - plenty of blue-ish light in there, and it seems that he was eager to set you up as super-eager to lynch Ace. I'm curious as to why no one's focusing on the hyena-laughter/psychopathic noises. Madnessman feels pretty red-herring to me, but who else could it be? To add onto why empyrean might not be the best choice; no one is defending him. If he were mafia, him family wouldn't want him dead, it doesn't seem like sacrificing him would really benefit his family. You would think that if he were mafia, at least someone would try to defend him. | ||
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On February 16 2010 09:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Is that everyone who ran? l10f ran quite early on iirc No, these are the people who had a chance. Maybe you/Ace shouldn't be there; overal not many people voted for either of you. But my logic is, consider the people that the mafia families would put out thinking they would have a chance to win. | ||
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@Redtooth, I think Emp being green shows that Ace was a better target than he was, not that the clues were bad ;p @L Why Pm Incognito saying you would lynch Emp? lol | ||
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On February 16 2010 13:16 madnessman wrote: There are many many flaws to this plan. HOWEVER I do believe it will work *IF* the mafia team that does not have Malongo or redtooth on their roster were to hit Malongo tonight, and none of the medics (aside from redtooth obviously) protects him! Reason why: Let's say 1. redtooth is MAFIA A and Malongo is TOWNIE - Mafia A doesn't hit Malongo. Mafia B hits Malongo. Malongo dies. We know that redtooth is not actually a medic and a member of Mafia A! -> this info = good for both Mafia B and the town, bad for Mafia A 2. redtooth is a MEDIC and Malongo is MAFIA A - Mafia A doesn't hit Malongo. Mafia B hits Malongo. redtooth saves Malongo. Mafia B now knows that redtooth is actually a medic and NOT a member of Mafia A! -> this info = good for Mafia B (Town remains ignorant as it has no way of knowing for certain that a hit was placed on Malongo.) 3. redtooth is MAFIA A and Malongo are MAFIA A - Mafia A doesn't hit Malongo. Mafia B hits Malongo. Malongo dies. We now know redtooth is not actually a medic and a member of Mafia A! -> this info = good for both Mafia B and the town, bad for Mafia A 4. redtooth is a MEDIC and Malongo is TOWNIE - Mafia A hits Malongo. Mafia B hits Malongo. redtooth saves Malongo. But because he got 2 hits does he die??? Ok, so DISREGARDING SCENERIO 4 because I'm unsure what happens in that case, if you are on a mafia team and redtooth is NOT on your roster... placing a hit on Malongo will benefit you regardless of whether he dies/does not die. (you'll have info on whether the mayor is on the opposite mafia team or is an actual medic.) and 2/3 of the proposed scenarios will benefit the town as well. Think about it mafia people ;D On a sidenote, in the case of scenerio 4, let's say malongo were to be saved despite having 2 hits (1 from each mafia team). then it really wouldn't matter since both mafia teams will still be on equal ground since they both used a hit on malongo. 5/6. Redtooth and Malongo are medic/townie, and either 1 mafia hits malongo, or neither mafia do. | ||
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On February 17 2010 06:30 Foolishness wrote: Apparently not, I switched my vote from abstain and I'm not on the list. This is a very inconsistent list and someone should go through and try to make it official. However I think what needs to be paid attention to is the time's that people make their switch. If players are switching votes at key moments during the day (i.e. to put one player ahead of another) or if we see a random group of people all vote at once, this needs to be documented and taken note of. I really hope people read Ver's post about spamming the thread. And I hope people also read what I've said on this matter. Nobody Cares Syndrome is spreading fast throughout this mafia game, and it's only hurting the town. Although I suggest anything less than 5 lines of written text be ignored or forbidden. Heaven forbid we all have to read through 20 pages of posts every time we check on the thread. The fact that people are spamming is contributing to the fact that some people are inactive. There are definitely players in this game who are usually contributing or posting more than they are right now. What is probably the case, is that they don't want to read through a couple dozen of pages. This is bad because these people get thrown into the "inactives" and are now near the top of the suspects list. In reality, these people are just intimidated by the number of posts they have to read through, which contributes to the number of inactive people altogether. Separating these groups of people will ultimately help us find the mafia. oh hey guess what? NOBODY CARES! Again you single me out when there are plenty of other useless people. How about you, are your posts really useful? Your first paragraph address useless list. Your second one repeats what you have posted 2 or 3 times already in the thread, and your 3rd paragraph again just bashes useful points. Real nice contribution, a longer useless post. Maybe your not scum tho, you could just not like me. lol. I'm going to hold up on other suspicions until Chezinu makes a post about his night actions. Although with that said, I lack faith in him making a real post. | ||
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On February 20 2010 10:17 Caller wrote: So here are the mayoral candidates: BloodyC0bbler dead townie citi.zen l10f meeple dead townie Ver Ace dead townie redtooth Bill Murray dead townie DoctorHelvetica dead sumiyoshi So now we're down to citi.zen, l10f, Ver, and redtooth. I'm betting at least one of these guys is scummy. I doubt it's Ver, redtooth's been afk, citi.zen's still been contributing, and l10f has been afk. meh I would contribute more but watching people play SC2 is just too big of a priority right now -_- maybe more thinking later interesting how you left L out, and L fails to correct you. I think we established that pardoner would be the role the mafia would want. How suspicious o: Also, I voted for decafchicken because he is acting the exact same way he did the last game I played with him when he was mafia. I don't think hes the best person to vote for, I think that Scamp probably is. I will change my vote to scamp if things get close towards the end. | ||
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On February 14 2010 07:43 Incognito wrote: The horses neighed, and the first horseman charged dreamflower, spear aimed low at her gut. ever linked to anyone? | ||
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On February 21 2010 09:07 L wrote: That's the wrong answer. You just admitted to being mafia. Thanks. I think I missed something, how does this prove redtooth is mafia? not that I don't suspect him, but I don't see how this proves he is mafia. On February 21 2010 09:12 ShoCkeyy wrote: I certainly agree. As for me posting; I've been moving and such so I can only come online when go to my girlfriends house. I really haven't been able to be active that much, but I'm still reading and doing my own clue analysis. But, damn, DrH? I seriously thought he would of been a blue :\ At least I was hoping he was. And what I see here is someone trying to take suspicion off of themselves. | ||
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The interesting thing is, that this still leaves a member of the Gambino family as one of the election candidates. Looking at the remaining candidates, l01f had random support for no reason at the start, but he still never really had a chance. Citi.zen had similar support, and had plenty of votes at one point, but really, L is the most likely to be the Gambino family member; he got the role of pardoner, the role that could save the Gambino family in the later parts of the game. Redtooth is a member of the Sumiyoshi family, and L is a member of the Gambino family. | ||
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On February 14 2010 07:43 Incognito wrote: The horses neighed, and the first horseman charged dreamflower, spear aimed low at her gut. Googling "L", the first thing that comes up is the wikipedia article. The letter L is derived from the Egyptian crook or goad which stood for /l/. This originally may have been based on an Egyptian hieroglyph that was adapted by Semites for alphabetic purposes. The Greek letter Lambda Λ (upper case) or λ (lower case), as well as the equivalent Etruscan and Latin letters, represent the same sound as the Semitic letter. Very much like a spear. I didn't think this was worth posting, however L's profile has little content, only a picture of luigi looking at some guy, which I don't see any clue links at all to. Only to his name. | ||
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While I'm happy that we know Quickstriker is mafia, I think it is more worthwhile to lynch Redtooth or L, since they cannot be killing by the mafia. Why not lynch on of them and let the Gambino family kill Quickstriker? | ||
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On February 21 2010 12:20 L wrote: Kinda matters because if redtooth flips red, you're heavily implicated. The first people to vote redtooth are: redtooth (9) Chezinu x Chezinu x Ver Ace x Chezinu Caller d3_crescentia x citi.zen decafchicken meeple d3_crescentia Ace Empyrean Bill Murray Chez. You. Caller. Chez has recently been found out as the bathroom shitter mafia. Scamp actually came through and made a fantastic clue analysis to save himself. Is he selling out a fellow teammember who he thinks will live regardless? maybe, but it doesn't matter. Chez attempts to distance himself from you in PMs as I showed earlier, but never really attacks you in the thread despite not being worried about throwing out attacks. You and caller early on move to protect each other; Caller gets onto your medic list as proof of this. Caller, meanwhile, doesn't act for the majority of the game despite being a good player. Redtooth and you, similarly, are buddies the entire game through. In the post that I call him out, literally the line after admitting that he's mafia, he basically tells people to slavishly obey you. Simply put: After DrH had mediocre support, redtooth submits a half-assed candidacy very early. His mafia buddies boost him early in the running, but fearing that he would die quickly if he was not protected (which would subsequently reveal many of his allies on the voting list) he fake claims early and can't be verified. Is this true? I don't know. I'll be more certain once redtooth dies, but its very odd that you'd attempt to bandwagon tree.hugger, then switch to quickstriker; if you had such good analysis earlier, why the change? If you're sumiyoshi, then you're essentially trying to trade an inactive member of your team to save redtooth and keep heat off yourself. You completely ignored my accusation of you. As active as you are, I'm sure you didn't miss it. One of my points was that if Redtooth flips Sumiyoshi, that you are Gambino. Seems like it could be a little indirect defense, saying that Redtooth being red implicates Ver, when it doesn't really strongly implicate him. You need to respond to my accusation L, you said yourself that mafia shouldn't just be able to cover up accusations. And Ver, you opinion would be nice to, as well as your support of lynching Redtooth and not quickstriker. That said, the reasons to lynch Redtooth and not quickstriker are: 1) The Gambino family will kill Quickstriker 2) redtooth and L are protected from night hits, lynches are the only way to kill them 3) Redtooth flipping sumiyoshi implicates L, we get information from the lynch as well as a death mafia. | ||
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so two things: Redtooth was in the position to get pardoner, which I think we have established is the role the mafia would want. The Mafia would have screwed up their placements of bodyguards if they weren't paying attention in literally the last 3 minutes. Chances are, they probably weren't. | ||
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Sumiyoshi hitlist: Citi.zen, l01f, Ver Can't see why the Gambino family didn't hit QS when he was checked by a DT. | ||
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So I dont know if l10f told you or not but you were rolechecked. In case I die tonight here is my data that I sent to you and him. Here's the poor level of info I have: Roleclaimed BGs: Malongo Versatile Midori *dead GF* Roleclaimed DTs: You (l01f) Roleclaimed Medics: Redtooth *dead* Have not roleclaimed (remaining blues are here): Vivi QS Dozko Nikoner Tree Hugger Shockeyy Meeple Zona (dead vet) Opz Sidesprang Caller, red Ohn Abenson Cynanmachae Hatters are all dead. No vets. laaan we both know is confirmed green. The rest claimed green. My suspects: Sumiyoshi: Quickstriker Foolishness citizen (dead gambino) lucaswoj (dead townie) Caller Johnnyspazz Gambino: Opz tredmasta? Uncertain but likely: scamp Shockeyy Decafchicken cynanmachae tree.hugger, good rolecheck target, it's possible he's stupid blue Hobbes vivi Chezinu 'told' me he checked hobbes/vivi and got both as greens. That might be possible, dunno what he's doing. He didn't 'tell' me his day 3 check. At some point it's going to be worth saving the rolechecked guys for last to have any remaining medics protect them if necessary in worst case scenarios. But basically we are playing blindfolded with our hands tied behind our back after nobody has claimed and the town lynched 1/3 people who did claim. I added stuff in brackets. Posting it because I'm too bad/lazy at this game to do anything useful with it, and there isn't really anyone to coordinate with anymore, plus I'm not going to have any computer access until this friday. But Gambinos should stop sucking, and hopefully the 1/2 medics/Dts left can do some magic. | ||
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The people I think that are most likely mafia at this point are sidesprang, Johnnyspazz, opz, Tree.hugger, and maybe shocckey. The reason to vote to lynch Chezinu is because the way I see it he is a little suspicious, but it is also very possible that he is the DT. Him flipping DT proves the innocence of vivi and hobbes, the people that he claimed to rolecheck, and him flipping red kills a red, lol. At this point when there are so few town aligned people left, if we can be sure of who are townies, then that narrows down the possibility of finding mafia members by alot. Plus at this point I think the DT is less useful then before, since they will have used all their rolechecks. | ||
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Night 3: Gambinos hit Ver twice. You guys actually thought Ver was mafia? o: | ||
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