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On February 20 2010 08:59 johnnyspazz wrote: Isn't it just a closed beta? How can a closed beta get so many people to stop caring? Livestreaming has got people watching and discussing en mass... not just the people playing | ||
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On February 20 2010 09:23 L wrote: Error ??? | ||
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Scamp + Show Spoiler + The rain poured down steadily as darkness fell over the town. Inside an old shack in a deserted part of the town, 789 was content relaxing in the quiet of his bedroom. He could hear the light rain on the top of the roof, but was jolted out of his trance when he heard some panting, a few grunts, and then a loud crash upstairs. 789’s mind raced for a moment, but he was interrupted as the whole second floor of the shack came crashing down from the weight of the water and sewage above, ending his life. Profile picture including drainage and gutter references. ShoCkeyy + Show Spoiler + SugiuraMidori smiled, thinking about the murders that would happen tonight. But it was cold tonight, and she decided to watch the murders from her apartment instead of watching from the tower in the middle of the town. As she turned around, she noticed the light in the background floating slowly to her location. At first she thought the light to be an omen of success, but she was suddenly shocked as the charming light sped up and pierced her skin. She felt a burning sensation, followed by more attacks from the light. A few moments later, SugiuraMidori died as her heart was overloaded from shock. His name is indicative of lightning... and this death was riddled with clues about light and shocking | ||
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On February 20 2010 10:31 L wrote: On that note, I just went and updated foolishnesses old post with the new information we have because of the fact that uh... its a secret. Time-----------------Action--------------------------------------------------Results 5:57-------------------------------------------------------------------L - 8 votes; redtooth - 5 votes; Ver - 4 votes 5:57------citi.zen changes from abstain to redtooth--L - 8 votes; redtooth - 6 votes; Ver - 4 votes 6:32---------L changes from abstain to Chezinu--------L - 8 votes; redtooth - 6 votes; Ver - 4 votes 6:41------------decaf changes from Ace to redtooth----L - 8 votes; redtooth - 7 votes; Ver - 4 votes 6:42-------BM changes from abstain to Chezinu-------L - 8 votes; redtooth - 7 votes; Ver - 4 votes 7:27-----------------sidesprang votes for L-------------------L - 9 votes; redtooth - 7 votes; Ver - 4 votes 7:28---------d3 changes from redtooth to Chezinu-----L - 9 votes; redtooth - 6 votes; Ver - 4 votes 7:54-----------infundibulum votes for Ver--------------------L - 9 votes; redtooth - 6 votes; Ver - 5 votes 7:55---------Nikoner changes from abstain to Ver------L - 9 votes; redtooth - 6 votes; Ver - 6 votes 8:10----------------Zona abstains--------------------------------L - 9 votes; redtooth - 6 votes; Ver - 6 votes 8:45-----------------redtooth claims medic--------------------L - 9 votes; redtooth - 6 votes; Ver - 6 votes 8:46------------Ace changes from redtooth to L-----------L - 10 votes; redtooth - 5 votes; Ver - 6 votes 8:49-----------------meeple votes for redtooth---------------L - 10 votes; redtooth - 6 votes; Ver - 6 votes 8:52---------------tredmasta changes to Ver----------------L - 10 votes; redtooth - 6 votes; Ver - 7 votes 8:53------------d3 changes from Chezinu to redtooth---L - 10 votes; redtooth - 7 votes; Ver - 7 votes 8:55------------Nikoner changes from Ver to abstain----L - 10 votes; redtooth - 7 votes; Ver - 6 votes 8:55---------- Ace changes from L to redtooth--------------L - 9 votes; redtooth - 8 votes; Ver - 6 votes 8:57---------- Empyrean votes for redtooth-------------------L - 9 votes; redtooth - 9 votes; Ver - 6 votes 8:58----------BM changes from Chezinu to redtooth-----L - 9 votes; redtooth - 10 votes; Ver - 6 votes updated. Nikoner stands out even more now; with so much green, and now a confirmed red voting for ver, why would he throw down the deciding vote after having voted for ver only an hour before? He also voted within a minute of a known red. His profile has graffitti. Which brings me to another point; It seems the herrings that are listed in the clues are valid clues, but they aren't linked to the particular killer. We may have been very, very wrong about how we assumed bombs would be declared, as well as how double hits would be declared in the clueset. We just lost 2 hatters. That's 4 bombs. There should be TEN people dead. We're missing 3. The clues dont' account for 3 overlapping hits. This is pretty bad news. I don't think its 4 bombs... Don't the rules say one player per night? | ||
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On February 20 2010 10:17 Caller wrote: meeple dead townie I'm not dead... yet | ||
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On February 20 2010 11:16 Ver wrote: Relevant info: I talked to Nemy last night. He had a bomb on bill murray from day 1 then planted one on me, but then roleclaimed to me. he removed the bomb on me, put it on dr h, and then died. Both bomb deaths are from him. Shikyo did not roleclaim, frankly I don't even know if he planted a bomb given his activity. 1 mafia kill for sure overlapped with Nemy's bombs (most probable on Dr H). Either Shikyo's bombs overlapped, were blocked, or he didn't place any (most likely). This is why you roleclaim though, so we can avoid pointless death's like shikyo's. As for today's lynch, Tree Hugger sounds like the best bet for now. What's the reason for lynching tree.hugger? You never got around to do that analysis | ||
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On February 20 2010 11:30 L wrote: If helvetica was bombed and shikyo didn't bother placing any of his bombs, one of the hits is still missing; potentially one is tied up with shikyo I don't understand why Ver thinks the hit is on Helvetica when it seems like Shikyo has two hits on him. Bill Murray was bombed no? | ||
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On February 20 2010 11:42 L wrote: Helvetica and Murray seem to have been bombed. Helvetica has pretty much no clues attached to him. There are 5 kills besides those 2 with 6 mafia kp. There is a hit missing. Someone got hit twice or someone protted something. Right... @ Ver Did the medics that roleclaimed to you protect anyone last night? | ||
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On February 20 2010 15:03 johnnyspazz wrote: meeple, what do you think about my super awesome clue analysis on quickstriker? Well... to be honest I was going to include that in my clue analysis but I ended up not because of the power of suggestion. There are some problems with the Quickstriker analysis, like the tendency of the mafia to burst through thin walls... and the "fork" that is used in the killing is a queen chess piece and not really a fork, though it bears a resemblance. I see the connection but I'm not sold on its strength like I am with some of the other connections. | ||
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On February 21 2010 10:10 L wrote: Because unless redtooth is mafia, he doesn't know which team has been hitting more town members apart from the 1 hit discrepancy. The manner in which he articulated his conviction basically flat out states that he knows something that he wouldn't know if he was a towns person. Redtooth hasn't even bothered to try to defend himself; the bulk of his argument is that he believed sugi was part of some conspiracy to get into a town circle. Why would he taunt the mafia as town anyways? What's the purpose of this line? Redtooth admits he hasn't thought the situation through, he he's posting from the hip, so to speak. So if he's posting from the hip, why wouldn't he address both mafia teams together and say something akin to: "why are you mafia guys hitting so many townspeople; go hit each other!"? Well, its pretty obvious, he's sumiyoshi and he's taking a jab at the other team because he knows which hits his team is responsible for, and he has a general idea about which hits the other team is responsible for (sans bombs, etc.). Also; Chez was joking and trying to say that if redtooth was mafia that he'd have contacted him? Doesn't seem like it here: From: Chezinu [ Profile | Buddy ] Subject: Re: Clues Date: 2/21/10 09:09 Ding Ding ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Was it redtooth? Because he just admitted to being mafia. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Psh, me work with Ver? yeah right! My mystery mafia contact wasn't Ver.. keep trying! Well... that PM is questionable, since I don't think we can take anything Chez says seriously. I do agree that redtooth seems to know things that he shouldn't. I wouldn't mind so much if he said that those were things he thought, instead of stating them as facts. | ||
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On February 21 2010 11:49 Iaaan wrote: Also some clue analysis that I don't think is spectacular, but could have some merit: Googling "L", the first thing that comes up is the wikipedia article. Very much like a spear. I didn't think this was worth posting, however L's profile has little content, only a picture of luigi looking at some guy, which I don't see any clue links at all to. Only to his name. That's fairly weak... if we are to draw clue connections to L. I think madnessman brought it up. But L is a detective in Deathnote and this death is suspiciously detective-y + Show Spoiler + When the three Mafiosi made it to the city gate, they each decided to go in their separate directions, moving swiftly towards the houses of their victims. The first Mafioso went straight for the town center. When he finally arrived at his victim’s house, he noticed that the door had been left wide open. Cautiously, he peeked in the window, noticing that a pot of soup was still cooking on the stove. A pencil and a few charts were also spread on the table, but the Mafioso could not notice that anything important or telling about the papers. Figuring that his victim had been alerted to his presence and had hidden all his important documents before hastily vanishing, the Mafioso tiptoed upstairs, careful not to make any noises that could alert his victim. Upon reaching the upstairs bedroom, the Mafioso noticed fresh tracks beneath the window, and jumped down, careful not to disturb the tracks. He raced through the forest, and soon found his robed target sitting by the lake. Ace felt no surprise as he turned around to greet the Mafioso. He was about to warn the Mafioso that he couldn’t hide in the darkness, when suddenly the Mafioso sprayed gasoline all over Ace and quickly lit a match. As he left the scene, Ace’s attacker muttered to himself, thinking how much fun it would be to terrorize the town not only in the darkness, but also in the light. I'm still not totally convinced though... since it doesn't really explain the gasoline/light dark references... | ||
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On February 21 2010 11:50 Ver wrote: Okay I need to make some things VERY clear. First off, double lynch is our trump and should be saved till the very end. With our hatters likely gone the double lynch is the only way we have of fixing an imbalanced power situation (say 5 vs 3). That means we are not double lynching tomorrow, and possibly not even the day after depending on how the kills go. With maf.ia KP this high still double lynching doesn't really do much, but when mafia have only 1 or even 2 kp each, it becomes a lot more useful and more important it is our failsafe in case one family does manage to take a lead Double Lynching this early only helps the mafia. This means: L Fishball Foolishness LucasWoJ tree.hugger Iaaan Chezinu Scamp Caller sidesprang meeple Remove your double lynch vote now, no excuses. Double lynching at this point only favors the mafia. Secondly, here are two alternative game progressions: 1) Ideal Scenario: We keep both families at 7/7, 4/4, 2/2. Of course that means we and they would be 100% accurate, but in general keeping them at the same kp is good enough. 2) Bad Scenario: 1 family gets KP and a member or two ahead, then further increases their lead if both families keep hitting mafia. In other words, keep both families at the same KP/roughly equal member situation and we are good. Yes all of this is quite obvious, but that's what is going on right now. The Sumiyoshi are trying to get Scamp (who is extremely likely Gambino) killed, thus achieving a superior position of 3:2 in kp and 8:6 in numbers. It's not a big deal if 1 family is a member ahead but we cannot let them get KP ahead, because that is a neverending spiral that leads to our loss. Thus it is extremely important that we make sure a Sumiyoshi dies in this lynch, tying both families at 7. It is possible I might be wrong about Sumiyoshi intentions since a lot of people are voting for johnnyspazz (who can wait for tonight, quit voting for him), but regardless the most important thing is to make sure a sumiyoshi dies. A DT (the one who checked me actually) inspected Quickstriker last night and found that he is Sumiyoshi. Who cares about all these stupid conspiracy theorr lies, they are not important and distract us from the real task at hand: ensuring both families stay equal in power. Vote for Quickstriker and DO NOT Vote for Double Lynch. And btw anyone who pm'ed me sorry, you're going to have to wait a bit more for a response. I don't have much time but this needed to be said. We have 3 double-lynches... and alot of targets... I really doubt we'll be able to use all three in this game. We might as well use it while we can. | ||
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On February 21 2010 12:03 madnessman wrote: This possibly accounts for the light/dark references: In Death Note, L's nemesis is Light Yagami. Ahh very nice... | ||
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On February 21 2010 12:20 L wrote: Is this true? I don't know. I'll be more certain once redtooth dies, but its very odd that you'd attempt to bandwagon tree.hugger, then switch to quickstriker; if you had such good analysis earlier, why the change? If you're sumiyoshi, then you're essentially trying to trade an inactive member of your team to save redtooth and keep heat off yourself. Thats kinda true... redtooth being mafia would implicate you (and me too, since I did switch to him last minute). I'm not totally sold on redtooth, but his death will have much greater consequences than simply keeping the mafia families somewhat equal, since 6-8 isn't that big of a difference this early in the game. | ||
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Abenson Sure enough, the two horsemen began slowly approaching the town. They did not rush across the field, but drifted in and out of the shadows, taking cover from the shadows cast by the clouds. Dreamflower became more nervous, and pointed her gun out the window, waiting for the horsemen to approach. However, she was startled as she noticed a figure walking towards the horsemen. She breathed a sigh of relief when she recognized Qatol. But what was Qatol doing out so late at night? Dreamflower was puzzled, but was snapped back into reality as she noticed the horsemen were only a football field away from her location. Thinking quickly, she decided not to fire a shot, but ran outside to get Qatol to safety. She tried to run in the shadows, but was caught in the middle of the road as the moon pierced through the cloud layer and shone directly on her. The horses neighed, and the first horseman charged dreamflower, spear aimed low at her gut. Dreamflower was blinded from the moonlight that reflected off the horseman, and was a little slow to react. She leaped to the left, and narrowly avoided death. But the second horseman just cackled loudly. Noticing Qatol sneak quietly into the barn to his right, he charged and leaped through the thin walls of the barn, landing straight on Qatol, who died instantly. In a panic, dreamflower ran back into her house to grab her gun, but it was futile. Abenson's profile has a chess board and these two horsemen could represent the two knights. The dark and light references could refer to the restrictions on the knights needing to alternate between light and dark squares when they attack. The first knight is in the shadows and when Dreamflower steps into the moonlight the knight attacks her, indicative of the knights attack pattern in chess. | ||
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