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So I have an incredibly short attention span, and with the way this game has gone, I can feel my interest slipping -_-;; It seems to me as though both mafia teams are discussing behind closed doors, and townies are not doing anything. I also have a feeling I'm going to get hit tonight, so I figure I may as well take a gamble and write this.
Basically, I would like to propose to townies that we band together, unite, and vote in unison to lynch L. The basis behind my proposal is mainly behavioral related, with some clue analysis thrown in. These are my reasons:
1. The chances that a mayor/pardoner is a member of the mafia are extremely, extremely high. Here's what I wrote in a PM to DoctorHelvetica the day before yesterday:
i wrote a post on pg 65 (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=111913¤tpage=65), but to elaborate on it, the more i think about it, the more certain i am that redtooth and L must be mafia. mayor+pardonner are both incredibly important positions and gives whichever team (whether it be mafia a, mafa b, or town) who "owns" those positions an enormous advantage. the end tally was so low that a mafia team could EASILY get their candidate elected. there's no way a mafia team would let such a big position just slip from their fingers. itd be sheer stupidity.
it is a game of 30v10v10, but the mafia know who their team mates are, whereas townies dont. and with so many people abstaining, it was probably fairly easy for them to have their candidate elected.
you yourself were mafia last game, and ended up being elected mayor, were u not? surely u must know how much of an advantage each mafia team has over the town when it comes to elections
what perplexes me is that redtooth voted for L. is it possible that they are on the same team? could it even be possible for a non-mafia to get elected?
what are your thoughts on all of this.
ill admit im wary of sending u this, esp. since i just realized u kept switching votes and ultimately u voted for L. i did too though..so meh. i might just post my thoughts on the main thread..it's so dominated by spam tho im almost discouraged against doing so lol.
After looking at Foolishness' post though, maybe I am giving the mafia too much credit. Maybe there's a chance they played it too risky/were too disorganized and let a mayoral position slip from their grasp. But I think the chances of that are quite slim. A single team could singlehandedly have won the mayoral/pardoner positions given how many people abstained. (This doesn't mean that we should discredit the people who abstained/voted for other candidates though, obviously. As DoctorHelvetica was so kind to share: ) Yes. When I was mafia our strategy was to throw in just enough votes for me to be mayor. When it was clear I was going to win, I instructed several mafia voters to change their vote to a competing non-mafia candidate. As we can also see from Foolishness' post, a mayoral candidate who played it pretty "safely" and didn't rely on a last minute influx of votes was L. But many of the last influx of votes were green townies, and therefore I think there's a better chance L is mafia over redtooth. I am well aware that I was one of the foolish people who voted L for mayor, but the reasons why I did so I see now in retrospect are quite foolish. I voted for him because (a) he presented himself as a leader with a strong, decisive voice at a time when everyone was confused and unsure (b) i didn't think his profile had enough substance for incognito to write clues on.
with regards to (a), I see how stupid it was of me to jump on the L bandwagon. First off, the fact that he presented himself as a decisive leader is something any mafia member would do. To hold influence over the town is such an invaluable asset in this game.
with regards to (b), this leads me to point #2.
2. At first, I thought that it was impossible for L to be mafia because his profile has absolutely no substance whatsoever. I believe he wasn't able to upload a picture until AFTER the game started, and his quote is "YOU JUST DON'T KNOW." this isn't a reference to anything as far as i can tell, and is SO little for incognito to base claims on. i now see that i was quite stupid to think that way. while his profile/picture contains absolutely nothing for incog to base his clues off, his very name "L" does fit the clues. L is of course in reference to the detective character in death note. let's read this part of day 2's passage:
+ Show Spoiler +When he finally arrived at his victim’s house, he noticed that the door had been left wide open. Cautiously, he peeked in the window, noticing that a pot of soup was still cooking on the stove. A pencil and a few charts were also spread on the table, but the Mafioso could not notice that anything important or telling about the papers. Figuring that his victim had been alerted to his presence and had hidden all his important documents before hastily vanishing, the Mafioso tiptoed upstairs, careful not to make any noises that could alert his victim. Upon reaching the upstairs bedroom, the Mafioso noticed fresh tracks beneath the window, and jumped down, careful not to disturb the tracks. He raced through the forest, and soon found his robed target sitting by the lake. Ace felt no surprise as he turned around to greet the Mafioso. He was about to warn the Mafioso that he couldn’t hide in the darkness, when suddenly the Mafioso sprayed gasoline all over Ace and quickly lit a match. As he left the scene, Ace’s attacker muttered to himself, thinking how much fun it would be to terrorize the town not only in the darkness, but also in the light.
what characterizes L (the detective) in death note? he is extremely thoughtful, clever, observant. the way the mafiaso acts in this passage just REEKS of someone with L's character. he plots/plans/observes/is clever and thoughtful. he doesn't just jump into action but is very sly and clever about what he does. he cautiously checks the room first. he checks the papers to see if they're important. he slyly tiptoes up the stairs so he doesn't alert his victim. he cleverly notices fresh tracks and follows them. with regard to the whole darkness and light thing, L's enemy is Light Yagami. perhaps the whole L hides in darkness because his enemy is Light could account for this part of the clue.
3. so the pm that i sent doctorhelvetica -- time stamp: 09:53. next thing i know, meeple goes
+ Show Spoiler +On February 17 2010 10:40 meeple wrote:
My analysis:
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Killer 5:[r]madnessman[/r]
Bickering and madness references
Dunno about the others yet
followed by L who goes:
+ Show Spoiler +On February 17 2010 11:18 L wrote:
I think incog made the clues easier this time, because I'm pretty sure i can name like 4 people with 80% certainty.
nemy
madnessman
mystlord
phrubaz
Pretty sure i can find more, but that's my quick first reading. I'm going to be pretty blunt and say please lynch me if I post before tomorrow because I really need to get this work done and without the threat of me dying I will likely come back :/
BRB 12 HOURS.
and then later his explanation:
+ Show Spoiler +The two guys arguing seem to be madnessman. This one is a bit weaker than my other connections, but I haven't found anything that explains the key points quite as well: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=madnessmanBasically there are two birds which are fundamentally opposed to each other, but more importantly, one of them is a completely fearless dick who does whatever he wants despite prohibitions to the contrary: hence guts. I don't really have anything that explains the pan, though.
this is the passage in which both meeple and L reference: + Show Spoiler +d3_crescentia was getting ready for bed, when he heard some strange noises outside. It seemed at first that some bickering had broken out. When he walked outside, he heard some cursing, and shouting. Puzzled, d3_crescentia went to investigate. As it turns out, the man who was being yelled at had scrawled graffiti all over the man’s house. d3_crescentia attempted to intervene, but a cold menacing glare came over the duo’s faces. Before d3_crescentia could cry for help, a pan was flung into his face, knocking his teeth into his brain. d3_crescentia died soon after from internal bleeding in the brain.
are you kidding me? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! this coming from the guy who claims he's such an excellent clue analyzer with great success. because when people squabble/argue/draw grafitti, these are extremely telling signs of MADNESS. the fact that both meeple and L would out of nowhere draw such bullshit, terrible clue analysis on me a few minutes apart definitely caught my attn. i'd like to give meeple and L credit and say there's no way they could be so terrible at clue analysis, but why would they both suddenly do this? and within minutes of each other? my behavior has been in no way suspicious; if anything, i started off this game completely ignorant of the mechanics of internet mafia and extremely unsure/looking for the guidance of vets. therefore it is a possibility to me that doctorhelvetica shared my pm (in which i am suspicious of redtooth+L) with them, as both accusations sprung up soon after i pm'd dr.H. but honestly, i think it is behavior like this/tendency to point fingers and create suspicion without a basis that are telltale signs of mafia.
SO i hope i have made a good enough argument that all you townies/other mafia team will consider lynching L tonight. of course i am not absolutely certain that i am correct in my accusation, but i've thought this through and i dont think we have much to lose. i understand that u all may be wary to lynch L; after all, L is pardoner and has the ability to pardon lynches. but what use is a pardoner to us who can't figure out the difference between mafia and townsman? as i've shown in #3, we have reason to believe that either his analysis is extremely flawed or that his accusations are heavily biased. there's no point in having a pardoner who MOST LIKELY will end up pardoning people who are mafia members. if he is a mafia member, he will pardon his fellow mafia members. if he isn't a mafia member, he will probably pompously and incorrectly asses the situation, and end up pardoning a mafia member as well. furthermore, the way this game is going down, it's now 25v10v10. we townspeople are STILL disorganized and disunited vs. two coherent, organized teams, and to add insult to injury, we're being picked off like flies. at this point, there's no point in our going after "small fish." we need to hit them now, and where it would hurt. like i said, i could be wrong that L is mafia, but i hope my reasoning has shown that it is worth it to make this gamble. in terms of calculated risks and potential gain, it is very very worth it.
4. on a final note, consider this: L claims he is such an amazing clue analyzer, but currently he is down 0/2. i dont base this as a reason to lynch him, as everyone makes mistakes. HOWEVER, if u scroll through the thread, u will see that he pushed for ace and emp to be killed/lynched both with extreme conviction. i myself am pushing for L to be lynch, but i acknowledge that there is room for error. L does no such thing. any towns person would hesitate and not be so ready to kill off another person, as there's a high chance (3/5th chance) that said person is a fellow townie, and killing off a fellow townie is not beneficial to the rest of the town. on the other hand, a mafia member would not be so hesitant because either way, as long as the person they accuse/push for ISNT on their team, he's either on the rivalry mafia team or a townie, both of which are readily dispensable for him. while i construct my argument on why it is worth it to take this RISK, L doesn't even seem to care about the consequences for the town if he is wrong.
tl;dr: just read the bold points. we have strong reason to believe L is mafia.
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On February 20 2010 10:17 Caller wrote:
So here are the mayoral candidates:
BloodyC0bbler dead townie
citi.zen
l10f
meeple dead townie
Ver
Ace dead townie
redtooth
Bill Murray dead townie
DoctorHelvetica dead sumiyoshi
So now we're down to citi.zen, l10f, Ver, and redtooth. I'm betting at least one of these guys is scummy. I doubt it's Ver, redtooth's been afk, citi.zen's still been contributing, and l10f has been afk. meh
I would contribute more but watching people play SC2 is just too big of a priority right now -_-
maybe more thinking later
Wtf?? Did I miss something? When did meeple die lol
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On February 19 2010 02:32 L wrote:
I am, however, happy that someone took the time to accuse me, because that probably means that of the 6-7 people I pointed towards today, 3+ of them are on the same team and are shitting bricks. I wouldn't see the motivation to write up a huge offensive post unless there was some if a single person had been cluefucked given the amount of leeway before losing kp. Additionally, the fact that you essentially admit that you're mouthing for DrH makes me think that you're probably innocent and that he's on their team.
Late reply, but I didn't write that "huge offensive" post because bricks were being shitted. Shat? I did it because there was a lull in posts and I wanted decisive action to be taken. With regard to the doctor, I DO know what "mouthing off" means, but I'm afraid I don't know what "mouthing for" means :/. Speaking on behalf for, maybe? In which case I wasn't. Reason why I PM'd DrH was because he was mafia+mayor last game and I wanted to know what he thought were the odds that the elected mayor/pardoner were mafia. Plus he seemed like a nice enough guy to answer my queries and didn't seem like the type that would play super duper hardcore mind games. His responses completely lacked any real substance though, which made me quite certain that he was mafia, but not enough to call him out..so good call on your part I guueeeessss
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I actually think there's validity to L's claim that redtooth is in the Sumiyoshi clan. DrH was in the Sumiyoshi clan, and here are the pm's between him and me. While there's nothing directly incriminating, from the way he dodges my queries and gives me nothing of substance made me suspicious. I directly asked him if he was suspicious of redtooth, and while he does make a conscious effort to sound uncertain as a fellow townie would, he gives me zero explanation and bullshit logic and goes: "I think either redtooth and ace are both mafia of the same family, or redtooth is a medic as he claims and is just using some sort of information gathering technique to decide who to cover" and instead starts voicing his suspicions of L.
PM's in spoiler:
+ Show Spoiler +Yes. When I was mafia our strategy was to throw in just enough votes for me to be mayor. When it was clear I was going to win, I instructed several mafia voters to change their vote to a competing non-mafia candidate.
Considering each mafia candidate is in cahoots with at least 9 other players, there are a lot of ways this could work out.
I've also noticed L's arguments becoming seemingly less reasonable recently. I'm gonna comb over them again soon when I'm not so busy. I seem suspiciously inactive but I am too addicted to this ARG I blogged about (http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=112469) to worry too much about mafia right now.
One of them is mafia, no doubt. It is possible they staged their disagreement in the beginning. It's a common way to get people to not group mafia together.
I was way out of it for the first half of day 1 because I wasn't paying attention which is how I'll justify most of my vote switches. At the time, I felt most strongly that L was pro-town, but now Ace is dead and he flipped green
I don't know what to think yet. I'll give it some time and post my thoughts more comprehensively later
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i wrote a post on pg 65 (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=111913¤tpage=65), but to elaborate on it, the more i think about it, the more certain i am that redtooth and L must be mafia. mayor+pardonner are both incredibly important positions and gives whichever team (whether it be mafia a, mafa b, or town) who "owns" those positions an enormous advantage. the end tally was so low that a mafia team could EASILY get their candidate elected. there's no way a mafia team would let such a big position just slip from their fingers. itd be sheer stupidity.
it is a game of 30v10v10, but the mafia know who their team mates are, whereas townies dont. and with so many people abstaining, it was probably fairly easy for them to have their candidate elected.
you yourself were mafia last game, and ended up being elected mayor, were u not? surely u must know how much of an advantage each mafia team has over the town when it comes to elections
what perplexes me is that redtooth voted for L. is it possible that they are on the same team? could it even be possible for a non-mafia to get elected?
what are your thoughts on all of this.
ill admit im wary of sending u this, esp. since i just realized u kept switching votes and ultimately u voted for L. i did too though..so meh. i might just post my thoughts on the main thread..it's so dominated by spam tho im almost discouraged against doing so lol.
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I'm really not buying redtooths defense that it's impossible he and ace are both in the same mafia and that he is 100% confirmed pro-town
his arguments have been super inconsistent since the beginning of his posting. laughably so.
I think either redtooth and ace are both mafia of the same family, or redtooth is a medic as he claims and is just using some sort of information gathering technique to decide who to cover.
The voting history doesn't seem too suspicious to me. I can see a pro-town voting for redtooth to get a possible medic in a protected role, but it isn't a smart move since there is no longer any way for him to confirm he is blue.
I'm torn about redtooth, but I'd be surprised if Ace wasn't a mafia, if he isn't that immediately makes me suspect L.
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sorry for taking a while to reply. im actually at a lecture right now, and on a crummy, minuscule netbook at that. what are your thoughts on what went down at the elections? with the whole role claim, ace switching to L, and then switching back to redtooth at the last minute, etc? if you're suspicious of ace, would it then follow that you are suspicious of redtooth as well?
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THat's fair reasoning.
Was there anything specific speculation-wise you wanted to discuss? I don't feel to confident that anyone is mafia at this point, although I definitely suspect Ace.
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haha why thank u. reason i pm'd you was not to be passive aggressive, but rather i want somebody to speculate with/shed light on things, and you seemed the best fit to me.
though i have no idea if you are actually mafia or not, i figured it wouldn't hurt to pm u. if you are mafia, you're looking for other mafia members as well so it shouldnt be TOO much of a problem. unless of course i ask you about members in your own group--in which case you can always feign ignorance. that was my reasoning at least...
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watching marble hornets and playing zone of the enders 2
im halfassedly browsing teamliquid atm. I'll be active later today, although i might be semi inactive tomorrow, as ill be having guests over ;o
btw i like ur posting
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for someone who claims to 'spend their life on the internet,' where did u go suddenly? busy pming/posting elsewhere?! -.^
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This possibly accounts for the light/dark references: In Death Note, L's nemesis is Light Yagami.
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On February 22 2010 09:08 SugiuraMidori wrote:
Mod-kill hell tonight, will the town be all right?
Will the lightning strike you into loss, or will you take out the Sumiyoshi Boss.
What will we do with no town, after all their members lay dead on the ground!
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Why are you still here? Aren't you dead.
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^ that was in response to
On February 23 2010 10:46 johnnyspazz wrote:
so is the town conceding? rofl
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On February 23 2010 11:08 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2010 10:40 Iaaan wrote:
PM I got from Ver before he died:
So I dont know if l10f told you or not but you were rolechecked. In case I die tonight here is my data that I sent to you and him.
Here's the poor level of info I have:
Roleclaimed BGs:
Malongo
Versatile
Midori *dead GF*
Roleclaimed DTs:
You (l01f)
Roleclaimed Medics:
Redtooth *dead*
Have not roleclaimed (remaining blues are here):
Vivi
QS
Dozko
Nikoner
Tree Hugger
Shockeyy
Meeple
Zona (dead vet)
Opz
Sidesprang
Caller, red
Ohn
Abenson
Cynanmachae
Hatters are all dead. No vets. laaan we both know is confirmed green. The rest claimed green.
My suspects:
Sumiyoshi:
Quickstriker
Foolishness
citizen (dead gambino)
lucaswoj (dead townie)
Caller
Johnnyspazz
Gambino:
Opz
tredmasta?
Uncertain but likely:
scamp
Shockeyy
Decafchicken
cynanmachae
tree.hugger, good rolecheck target, it's possible he's stupid blue
Hobbes
vivi
Chezinu 'told' me he checked hobbes/vivi and got both as greens. That might be possible, dunno what he's doing. He didn't 'tell' me his day 3 check.
At some point it's going to be worth saving the rolechecked guys for last to have any remaining medics protect them if necessary in worst case scenarios.
But basically we are playing blindfolded with our hands tied behind our back after nobody has claimed and the town lynched 1/3 people who did claim.
I added stuff in brackets.
Posting it because I'm too bad/lazy at this game to do anything useful with it, and there isn't really anyone to coordinate with anymore, plus I'm not going to have any computer access until this friday.
But Gambinos should stop sucking, and hopefully the 1/2 medics/Dts left can do some magic. Umm, why the **** did you just post this for?
Apparently he doesn't care if the town loses. Heh.
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Gahh, sorry all. Voted in thread somewhat blindly; will catch up on here soon and adjust my votes if necessary.
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WHY IS THE GAMBINO TEAM SO LOUSY. GET SOME SUMIYOSHI BLOOD GOGO
I'm sorry to my fellow townies; I kind of lost interest after I wrote that massive post against L and nobody read it  But in these dire times I will try to be more useful... After I finish my stupid 8 pg paper that is...
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Why are we so sure that Chezinu is in fact a DT? Has there been indisputable evidence that he in fact is one (that I may have missed)? Can I know which (if any) mafia members he has caught during role-checks? Because his lynch votes surely don't reflect any sort of certainty.
Day 2
On February 17 2010 09:47 Chezinu wrote:
I vote for Ver
Day 3
On February 20 2010 13:05 Chezinu wrote:
I vote Scamp
On February 20 2010 22:02 Chezinu wrote:
I vote to lynch johnnyspazz.
die Gambino die!
On February 21 2010 16:14 Chezinu wrote:
I change my vote to Quickstriker (Sumiyoshi).
Please be mafia so that the detective will be real then I can make a deal with town and ask for a rolecheck and medic protection for another day. Your death is my only hope quickstriker!
Day 4
On February 23 2010 11:27 Chezinu wrote:
I vote L (Gambino)
town killer! Even if you are town, we need to know...
On February 23 2010 11:45 Chezinu wrote:
I change my vote to QuickStriker (Sumiyoshi).
I vote for Double Lynch.
May the Circle Prevail. Remember Quickerstriker was confirmed mafia. Or is he just a miller?
Day 5
On February 26 2010 12:50 Chezinu wrote:
I vote Amber[Light] and Scamp
On February 27 2010 04:49 Chezinu wrote:
I change my vote from amber to to L (Gambino)
I vote to save myself!
On February 27 2010 09:50 Chezinu wrote:
I change my vote from L (Gambino) to Amber[LighT]
On February 28 2010 03:20 Chezinu wrote:
I change my vote from Amber[light] to tree.hugger
On February 28 2010 07:02 Chezinu wrote:
I change my vote from Scamp to CynanMachae (Gambino)
As a DT, I would like to know why he voted to lynch townies several times, and why he never informed the rest of the town who he role-checked. If anything, as the DT, he should given us direction on who to vote and who he knows to be mafia. Sure, he has voted for a Sumiyoshi before (Quickstriker), but as part of the "Town Circle" with redtooth and other DT's, surely he knew that if he didn't vote for Quickstriker he would look extremely guilty. Furthermore, when he voted for Quickstriker, the end tally was 20 vs. 10 or something, and surely he knew that his vote wouldn't count.
I am very suspicious of Chezinu.. Let's say an anonymous person was a DT. I could understand that he would be wary to say "I am a DT, I role-checked person X and he is mafia, we must lynch him" due to safety reasons and not wanting to get hit. However, everyone thinks that Chezinu is already a DT. There is no point in secrecy and not telling us who he has role-checked, and who he knows is mafia and that we should lynch. He hasn't contributed anything as far as I can see, although I won't deny he might have contributed something but I didn't see it because he also posts quite a bit of spam.
Also, if he was suspicious of Amber[light] or tree.hugger (and he definitely must've been suspicious of them since he VOTED for them), why didn't he just role-check them instead?? Also, is it coincidence that people who were blue+role-claimed/were part of the special town circle ended up dead, SAVE FOR HIM?
Chezinu please provide a list of who you've role checked throughout the game. We also need someone who can verify your role checking, as it's easy in retrospect to go "oh i role checked masterdana and he turned out to be townie" or something like that.
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On March 03 2010 09:32 XeliN wrote:
They jump voted on johnny at the last minute without posting reasons why or trying to persuade others to do so, seems very mafia like to me, especially dozko who has consistently been trying to have me lynched but then randomly changes to chezinu and johnny at the end without posting. Also thinking about it chezinu is most likely innocent given the voting.
On March 03 2010 10:25 XeliN wrote:
Dozko definately, foolishness looks like it and no not scamp, madnessman
OFC it is possible one or both of foolishness and madnessman are in fact townie which would complicate things slightly.
Hahaha WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED. Let me explain my voting, so whoever's the last gambino doesn't waste his hit on me. Drowning in school work, I completely forgot to vote, to the extent that good ol' incog PM'd me to remind me. Ergo since I was not caught up on the current mafia affairs, I voted on people who I was pretty sure wouldn't get lynched anyway and therefore my vote would be for the most part inconsequential. (at the time I voted chez had only one vote and foolishness had only two.) Perhaps it would've been much less incriminating if I had abstained, but given the poor standing the town is in, I figured I may as well vote on whoever I *felt* was guilty based on previous behavior rather than wasting my votes... (foolishness for not contributing to the town and posting "NOBODY CARES" repeatedly, and chez for a lot of confusing/misleading posts.)
Anyways there's still a chance the town can win! Sumiyoshi have 2/8 chance to hit the remaining gambino. That's only a 25% chance, so there's still a 75% chance that the game won't end tomorrow! What we as the town must help the remaining gambino do is figure out who the last 3 sumiyoshi are so that gambino can get the sumiyoshi headcount to 2. and from there.. double lynch town gogogo! so chezinu is telling us that dozko is definite sumiysohi, but as I wrote in my previous post, I don't know how much I trust this guy, if at all...
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So you want to lynch me only based on my last voting? No offence, and I'm not just saying that because you're proposing to lynch ME, but that's a terrible idea. Think about it -- the town needs to be as close as to 100% sure that whoever they vote tomorrow IS sumiyoshi. because if not, town loses. more or less. i'm just saying, if you want the town to lynch me, build a solid case. dredge up all my previous posting. analyze my behavior. bring forth solid clues that reference me. i'm saying this because not only am i fairly certain that my previous posts show me to be clearly town-aligned, but also because "oh madnessman voted shittily one time" is a terrible basis on which to propose to lynch someone, especially when SO MUCH IS AT STAKE. provided the town+gambino doesn't lose tonight, the next lynch is basically the sole, deciding factor as to town's survival and victory. so pleaes, if you're going to say "TOWN! LYNCH PERSON X!", you better damn well build a rock-solid case.
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that was in response to xelin btw. if that wasn't clear.
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did you just read the FIRST sentence of my post and then stop there? -_-
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actually maybe chez is dt after all. so i guess the remaining gambino should hit dozko, if he's 100% guaranteed sumi.
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On March 03 2010 11:17 Chezinu wrote:
BREAKING NEWS:
From: dozko [ Profile | Buddy ]
Subject: Re: don't do it!
Date: 3/3/10 11:16
Its the gambino you should be worried about killing you. They are letting us win in exchange for some sushi.
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Don't kill me out of spite!
SUSHI AINT WORTH SELLING OUT FOR YO
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On March 03 2010 12:52 Versatile wrote:
welp, our next lynch targets should be foolishness and madnessman, obviously. assuming gambino hits dozko.
"obviously"? provide an argument please? i didnt vote for the spazzoid. please don't base an argument just on the fact that i voted for chez+foolishness, as i dont see how that's a telling sign of mafianess at all. and please read my previous post on how it is of crucial importance that the town be VERY VERY sure that someone is mafia before lynch them, otherwise they lose. because if you lynch me, you waste a lynch on a townie, wont be able to kill off all the sumiyoshi, and will prob lose the game. just sayin'.
On March 03 2010 10:50 madnessman wrote:
So you want to lynch me only based on my last voting? No offence, and I'm not just saying that because you're proposing to lynch ME, but that's a terrible idea. Think about it -- the town needs to be as close as to 100% sure that whoever they vote tomorrow IS sumiyoshi. because if not, town loses. more or less. i'm just saying, if you want the town to lynch me, build a solid case. dredge up all my previous posting. analyze my behavior. bring forth solid clues that reference me. i'm saying this because not only am i fairly certain that my previous posts show me to be clearly town-aligned, but also because "oh madnessman voted shittily one time" is a terrible basis on which to propose to lynch someone, especially when SO MUCH IS AT STAKE. provided the town+gambino doesn't lose tonight, the next lynch is basically the sole, deciding factor as to town's survival and victory. so pleaes, if you're going to say "TOWN! LYNCH PERSON X!", you better damn well build a rock-solid case.
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lol nice. gg all.
i have 2 remarks... chez how come u didnt tell gambinos that foolish was sumi? and also: wow, scamp was quite the awesome medic lol.
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EPT
