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On February 26 2010 09:37 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2010 09:24 XeliN wrote:
Ah wasnt even able to vote, silly mistake. Btw if johnny is mafia like he states and also gambino like he states would the other family simply not hit him? surely by his still being here that makes him sumiyoshi or am i missing something? I'm starting to worry about that too. However at this point I don't think we have any reason to not believe him. And anyways, it's not like we don't have other people to lynch. I think it's evident that one of our lynches should be tree.hugger, if for not any other reason, Ver was highly suspicious of him. tree.hugger has yet to make any real contribution to the town, and has made one shaky post about how we should not kill him.
I'd say we also need to kill scamp to see if chezinu is legit, but i'm pretty sure the clues today are pretty blatant when it comes to captain drainage.
Interestingly enough, the encasement in black goo that I originally thought would be something between meeple and malongo ended up killing meeple and reinforcing the malongo link. Malongo typically posts a lot more than he does. That said, we need to get some credible information on if chez is lying through his teeth at us, which prioritizes scamp over him.
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Oh wait, malongo and chez both fit that clue.
Goddamit this is bad news
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On February 26 2010 09:44 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2010 09:40 L wrote:On February 26 2010 09:37 Foolishness wrote:On February 26 2010 09:24 XeliN wrote:
Ah wasnt even able to vote, silly mistake. Btw if johnny is mafia like he states and also gambino like he states would the other family simply not hit him? surely by his still being here that makes him sumiyoshi or am i missing something? I'm starting to worry about that too. However at this point I don't think we have any reason to not believe him. And anyways, it's not like we don't have other people to lynch. I think it's evident that one of our lynches should be tree.hugger, if for not any other reason, Ver was highly suspicious of him. tree.hugger has yet to make any real contribution to the town, and has made one shaky post about how we should not kill him. I'd say we also need to kill scamp to see if chezinu is legit, but i'm pretty sure the clues today are pretty blatant when it comes to captain drainage. Interestingly enough, the encasement in black goo that I originally thought would be something between meeple and malongo ended up killing meeple and reinforcing the malongo link. Malongo typically posts a lot more than he does. That said, we need to get some credible information on if chez is lying through his teeth at us, which prioritizes scamp over him. How does killing scamp guarantee us that Chezinu is legit?
Doesn't anymore. Used to be because chez had zero clue links besides that potential 'he took a shit' one, but the recent wave of black crap with creatures in it thing identifies with chez's picture as well. Which means the original stain clue is more just a black substance clue.
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On February 26 2010 10:03 Scamp wrote:
Well awesome. The town and mafia are now even.
And is it just me, or is it clearly obvious that Caller was killed by J-spazz?
I'm 100 percent positive now that L and Chez are in the same family. The only problem is that it wastes our double-lynch to target them both, but at least we have two more. Probably looks that way to you because I kinda trust what he's saying, but given the amount of people dead and the amount of detectives in said dead group, I kinda think he's not bullshitting (but i'm not sure, hence why I want to confirm it, but with these clues, now I can't).
Either way you're probably sumiyoshi so killing you is still all good in the hood.
The caller clue thing seems to point to Dozko at the start, then j-spazz at the end.
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On February 26 2010 10:39 Scamp wrote:
Well you did tell Fishball "you'll find out tomorrow" and you've already posted seven times today with no mention of why Cynan or Versatile were the ones protected by the medics who claimed to you within two hours.
At this point, you're spamming the thread more than Chezinu is. Not to mention you haven't pressed Chez for any info whatsoever. You also don't seem to mind that he's being his usual waste of space. Your only plan to see about his legitimacy has been to kill me.
On top of all that, you never apologized for being wrong about Redtooth, and now you want to lead the town again? Plain and simple: you're not good for the town.
Sorry about redtooth. My bad bro. If my nearly 2 days of not posting after the event because I was seriously disgusted with how wrong I was wasn't enough, what would be?
I told Fishball he'll find out tomorrow because now we have confirmation that Caller's a fucking liar scumbag like I told you guys earlier. There's no way he'd PM me some stupid shit like that and have it be legit. Granted that, I've been trying to read something out of his posts from yesterday. His list especially is interesting because its a pretty cute attempt to colour some people red.
As for Chez, if you think I'm not pressing him for info, you're dead wrong. We just interact by PM, that's all. That said, I just said like 2 posts above yours that killing you isn't really useful as a method of figuring if chez is legit anymore, but you're still sumiyoshi so you're still a good kill.
You surface briefly when accused then disappear for the majority of the game. The only thing you've produced was a clue analysis with the intent of getting heat off you, and between today and yesterday's sets of clues, I'd be highly surprised if you don't match up with anything.
That said, I like my analysis of amber being a gummibear so much that I might consider switching to him due to the lack of chez info due to today's clues.
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On February 26 2010 11:06 Amber[LighT] wrote:
If people lynch me over L then there's really no hope for this town.
There's no hope for town when they ignore the you/scamp sumiyoshi train? Sorry I don't buy it.
You kept a straight vote on bill murray of all people day 2 instead of voting mystlord.
Interestingly enough, It was another Xelin/Amber combination.
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1) Ok.
2) I'm in awe that you wouldn't vote tree.hugger even if you thought on the balance of probabilities that chez was more mafia than scamp.
Would be pretty fucking odd to give us 3 hatters, 2 vets, 2 medics and 1 only dt in a 51 man game.
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On February 26 2010 14:07 Versatile wrote:
oh, and lastly, if you guys are not going to lynch L, i would really like to be lynched so the other mafia can kill him.
since dumb ass #9540239432 outted me as BG however long ago, let's get on with it. i think i may be more useful to the town dead.
So do you do anything other than PMS and admit you don't give a shit if the town loses? Because I'm pretty sure the idea here with a double lynch would be to net 2 mafia kills, not settle grudges.
I mean, why aren't you asking one of the mafia teams to kill you; wouldn't them wasting a hit be better than us not hitting a mafia?
Besides you, the only people bothering to vote for me are inactive lurkers or 100% candidates.
So yeah, way to be a part of an obvious train.
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On February 26 2010 15:07 Versatile wrote:
wtf is this trash? are you crying? i'm sorry if i struck a nerve, didn't mean to hurt your itty bitty feelings. no need to get personal. stop bitching.
anyway. you're playing like shyt. i've said you're mafia for ages. i've been advocating you should die for ages. don't act like this is brand new.
but since i have your attention, why would you have a medic protect me if you think i'm such a bad player? and if a medic told you they were protecting me why would you put it in the thread if you're really helping the town?
as far as your comment about only inactives and candidates voting for you, i'll point you to fishball's last few posts where he was advocating for your death and miraculous ended up dead himself. clearly it's more than a girl "PMSing" (btw, nice chauvinist dig, that must have taken quite a few brain cells on your part, good job!) and inactives. i mean, even you offered yourself up. time to follow through on your word.
Because I would rather that you didn't die, because I think you're an emotional townie who is terrible at this game, but a townie nonetheless.
Fishball and I were in PMs for the vast majority of the end of the last day, and a lot of the posts that were setup were attempts on both of our parts to get mafia to hit certain non-town players, but they completely avoided all of the bait and hit 4 fucking townies instead of other mafia members. Sumiyoshi missed three hits in a row: why?
Do you think that was a mistake given that johnny was roleclaiming straight to their face and that we purposely said that medic protection would not be on him?
Think a bit about it.
Regarding the PMS; get over it. You took some shots at me; Am I supposed to sit there and listen to your self destructive rants and your "i want to die" spiel without thinking "emotional green townie :/" like last game wherein RoL went batshit insane for like 2 days on me?
As for offering myself up, I did. However, then the game took a swing to the point wherein we can't waste lynches or miss hits. I'm not going to fuck over the town twice, in an effort to assuage my own guilt. But yeah, obvious train voting behavior. Way to go.
Now: Onto more important matters like killing red people.
If anyone can write scripts, can we get a full list of posts that caller's made?
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There's a lot I really don't understand right now. One are the people who are voting for both L and myself. I don't get that either, tbh :./
But what also doesn't make any sense is that people think I'm a higher priority over Chezinu. I don't see how a useless non-posting mafia player with multiple solid clue links should be a lower priority than a DT.
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On February 26 2010 15:58 Scamp wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2010 15:46 L wrote:But what also doesn't make any sense is that people think I'm a higher priority over Chezinu. I don't see how a useless non-posting mafia player with multiple solid clue links should be a lower priority than a DT. You exaggerate the truth with "multiple solid clue links" and I say that if he is a DT, and a very public one, he should prove it. Also I'm not mafia. I can sort of prove it with voting records. I'm curious about this list of people who voted for me on day 3 and then left. Scamp Votes: 1 Chezinu L Caller johnnyspazz tree.hugger Nikoner There should be lines through everyone but Nikoner. This could be a nice collection of mafia....and also Nikoner. It should be fairly obvious through the context of the thread that the probability of me being bussed is very low. Thus, confirmed mafia Caller and Johnnyspazz agree on something here, along with mafia suspects L, Chezinu, and tree.hugger. Both mafia families know that I'm not with them, and they should also know by now that I'm not with the other side either.
You probably remember the context of that vote better than I do;
I linked you to the shitter clue and said "feel free to disprove me", you came up with another possibility for the clue, so we killed redtooth instead like morons. If caller, spazz and hugger wanted to try and bus you, I sure as fuck stopped it when I said you were right and injected enough doubt with your rebuttal.
But how exactly does that make you innocent?
Right now the votes on me:
L: (5)
Scamp
Amber[LighT]
tree.hugger
Versatile
sidesprang
Scamp, amber, tree.hugger and sidesprang all are likely mafia members. 4/5 Pretty damning.
I guess by your logic I'm innocent too.
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On February 26 2010 16:22 Scamp wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2010 16:11 L wrote:
I linked you to the shitter clue and said "feel free to disprove me", you came up with another possibility for the clue, so we killed redtooth instead like morons. If caller, spazz and hugger wanted to try and bus you, I sure as fuck stopped it when I said you were right and injected enough doubt with your rebuttal.
But how exactly does that make you innocent?
Right now the votes on me:
L: (5)
Scamp
Amber[LighT]
tree.hugger
Versatile
sidesprang
Scamp, amber, tree.hugger and sidesprang all are likely mafia members. 4/5 Pretty damning.
I guess by your logic I'm innocent too. Killing Redtooth had nothing to do with me providing another possibility. Also saying you stopped a bus goes against everything I said since my claim was that the probability of me being bussed was very low. And no, the votes on you now is not the same thing. There are no confirmed mafia in that list, just some probables. On my list are confirmed mafia from (most likely) both families as well as likely mafia. The confirmed part makes all the difference. I also asked for some evidence that Chez provided help to the town as a DT. What happened to that? Stop twisting/ignoring my words and start looking for reds like you said you were going to. Also do not ignore Malongo's posts. That goes for everyone.
Had plenty to do with it. You were the best candidate for that lynch until you suggested chez for the same clue. I'm not going to fault you on trying to protect yourself; that's natural, but it was a part of the cause.
The confirmed part really doesn't make a difference because the same people who are highly suspicious are the ones trying to counter bus to save themselves, and the votes against you were all happily retracted. Those people did not keep their votes on you in a tightly contested race to the death (which seems to actually be the case here, so which is more compelling?). Behaviorally you still haven't even bothered to produce anything when not threatened with the gallows, despite being called out twice.
Either way, if you die and flip anything other than red, chez and foolishness look really bad.
And I am looking for reds. Its 3 am, but I plan on posting pretty much full lists of both families as far as I can tell tomorrow with clues on everyone. That's what I was telling people to wait for, but it seems some antsy mafia can't wait to try and bus me to death so they can coast to victory.
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On February 26 2010 23:42 Amber[LighT] wrote:He has jumped on my ass because of this PM session: Show nested quote +Your arguments don't really make sense. If you suspect redtooth is mafia, you should be deadly afraid of his 3 votes, and you'd want information on chez/ver/caller. Caller admitted to being mafia. Chez got cluefucked. Ver's probably a GF.
If we don't hit them now, we're going to lose more votes tomorrow, and redtooth is going to have 6 total votes during a double lynch.
I don't personally give a shit regarding the BG list besides to hope that if it IS given out that we protect someone on it because i'm pretty sure I'm in danger of being killed tonight.
But what's more: None of the rest of this PM makes sense: If redtooth isn't mafia, why would we want the mafia hitting bodyguards and missing mafia members? That's incredibly anti-town. Why would we hit someone expendable at all? Why hit Chez when Chez can soak up mafia hits during the night because he's clearly a target?
I just don't get this PM at all.
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Original Message:
Okay here we go, I'll keep it brief:
-I'm against giving the BG list out. If there are townie BG's they still protect you assuming you're a townie.
-By killing redtooth, you've essentially risked the lives of Caller/Ver/Chez assuming redtooth flips red. Seems like an obvious hit for the other mafia family if they're going to act based upon your analytical methods.
-Maybe we can not kill redtooth, but instead kill someone expendable, like Iaan (who I've had a problem with since day 1). He still has a sorta-connection with the redtooth clique from what I'm reading in the thread and it would be better if we kept the mafia family hunting for the bodyguards to take out Redtooth (town still has control over the game if we do this).
-If you don't want to gun for Iaan then go for Chez. He's obviously trying hard to drown your posts and he's aligned with Ver/Redtooth it's too obvious. It would help clear some air too and you wouldn't have to risk yourself in the long run.
So conclusion:
I won't vote for Redtooth, but I'll vote for Chezinu or Iaan, otherwise I will abstain. We can revisit Redtooth later if need be. The votes are still townie-favored. There's plenty of us still alive.
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Original Message:
Hi guys.
A lot of you are busy playing SC2 and couldn't give a rat's ass about mafia at the moment but that's a mistake! Exciting things are happening in that funky forum.
In particular, the game's about to end. Please read pages 96-99 in the thread and see if what I'm saying makes sense. So far I suspect that Chez, Caller, Ver and Redtooth are all mafia and working together.
Chez has a fantastic clue incriminating him and has essentially admitted to being mafia in pms. He's also spamming the thread right now and trying to get people to ignore what I'm saying.
Redtooth has another uncontested clue against him and has been unfaltering in his support of ver. More importantly, he essentially outted himself in public by admitting that he knew which team was responsible for which hits. He was voted in largely on the strength of Caller/Ver/Chez giving him an early boost, which is odd because his campaign didn't have any content in it. Redtooth claimed medic early and then refused to go along with malongo's confirmation plan too.
Caller is quick to admit that he's bad at mafia and busy playing SC2, but he responds instantly to criticism and was protected by Ver's early medic list. That said, he doesn't really produce anything for the town.
Ver, well read the thread.
This isn't assured: That's why I want to kill redtooth tonight to see if he flips red. If he flips green, I'll volunteer myself to get lynched the following day.
If I'm right, mafia have access to all our DTs, all our medics, and what seems to be an almost stalemate is about to explode drastically in one team's favor as they have medics prot their members and use DTs to find members of the other team. On top of that, they have the mayoral votes in a game where inactivity is huge; voting against their bloc is very hard unless town comes out en masse.
At the very least read pages 96-99 and then spend a bit of time thinking about it.
Thanks for your time
-L
He's defending Chezinu. The second I didn't want to lynch Ver/Redtooh he was NOT having my contribution. Everyone should vote for L AND JohnnySpazz tonight. Can we finally follow Malongo's plan for once this game? This is the only way we can obtain some god damned clarity in this game. If L flips red I'd have a hard time believing Chez or Iaan are pro-townie.
1) You voted to kill redtooth.
2) Look at what you're actually saying in that pm. You're asking townies to get hit over mafia members. That's pretty fucked.
3) I'm not trying to kill you because of that set of PMs. I found a really good clue link to you. That said there are even better links to scamp and tree.hugger, but I'm still persuadable on that.
The fact that tree.hugger has 2 votes when Ver's been trying to kill him since day 2 is pretty hilarious. You guys are getting bussssssssssssssed.
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On February 27 2010 07:22 XeliN wrote:
Who, who are the mafia you helped catch, what was your role in helping catch them? The other is abit more difficult as it could potentially help the mafia if you reveal but just saying "i have confirmed so many townies that they can't...." ammounts to nothing. You can give no evidence of this just simply say it, there seems to be no-one here who is putting forward a strong argument against lynching you and if people can i would like them to as well.
Everything in that post, so far ammounts to, "ive done this and that honest trust me, lols!"
You realize pretty much every post today amounts to either "I'm honest, trust me" or "He's untrustworthy, kill him". There's been almost zero work done besides that.
Pretty standard mafia mudslinging going on here. I was out all day so I'm going to post my team lists early tomorrow after they're complete. When I die and you guys realize how stupid you were to kill me, maybe you can salvage the game using the information I give you.
Also; if there's another legit detective out there, you should probably claim to town asap because a certain someone's credibility rests solidly on the fact that you haven't claimed.
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On February 27 2010 07:45 XeliN wrote:
Also it's a shame your going to get voted, seems pretty clear to me now that your not mafia, although str8 after red's death i wanted you lynched as well...
Well, if i die and it helps the town out, so be it. The only real question for me is how much can I figure out before I die and how can I post it so that we pull ahead. I felt really shit after killing redtooth because I honestly thought he was mafia. I was right about caller being on sumiyoshi, and I might still be right about chez, but for now I think we have better targets than him.
Chez claims he's checked like 3-4 people who've flipped green, and that's cool. Maybe he's lying. Maybe he isn't. Regardless, the easiest way to see if he's lying is to kill scamp, but for some reason scamp/him are tied.
Additionally, targets like amber and tree.hugger, who have been playing incredibly obvious as mafia, or players like OhN, who have a ton of clues pointing to them but don't fucking post aren't being looked at.
This is pretty much what the mafia tried to do to us in mini-mafia 2, but it blew up in their face because we went after them for it. This game has essentially been a huge amount of town pointing fingers at each other and mafia not even bothering to post because no one is looking their way.
Its as if people haven't even bothered to look at the game's win condition or think about how we're going to get from here to 8 dead on both teams without having one team fully dead.
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On February 27 2010 08:35 Scamp wrote:
Foolishness your defense of Chez is "read the thread carefully." Instead, how about you provide anything to defend him, because I'm very confident he's not a DT.
I am, however, less confident about L being mafia. But I really don't see the case against tree.hugger. I don't see any solid clue links to him. Yes occasionally part of a tree appears but that's about it, I'd hardly consider that solid. And yes a bunch of innocent people voted for him on day 3....but how does that prove anything?
Ver's got a truckton of analysis done on tree.hugger, and his main point is one that becomes stronger every day.
Tree.hugger just got raped in the last game because of inactivity. This game he posts that the town shouldn't be inactive, then GOES AFK FOR FOUR DAYS.
The clues against him aren't perfect, but they never really are. Originally I didn't want to hit tree.hugger because OhNhas a 'tree' as a centerpoint of his profile. That changed recently when I figured out that the following clue (which seems like a gimme to finger shockey off of, given our previous discussions. I thought it would be odd for incog to throw out a blatant clue based directly on what we had fingered shockey for, so I looked through profiles again to see if anything caught my eye.
Here's the profile bit:
"No matter how dark the night, morning always comes, and our journey begins anew."
Here's the clue:
At home, l10f was busy compiling a list of suspects, frantic after his long night’s work. Fearing that his death was imminent, he proceeded to hide his findings in his house, hoping that some diligent townsperson would come along to find his work. Unfortunately, l10f did not know the nature of his fate. While hiding the last pieces of his information under the tile between the kitchen and the dining room, l10f thought he saw a shimmer of hope. Beyond the clouds in a distance l10f saw the sun piercing through the clouds. His hope soon turned into puzzlement when he remembered that it was 2am in the morning. Thinking that he still had some time before his death, l10f had no time to think as a lightning bolt struck from behind the cloud and sent an electric volt surging through his body. The whole house erupted into flames as a result of the lightning strike, and l10f knew that his work was in vain. As the light behind the clouds began to fade, l10f’s mind began to race as he thought of his new beginning in heaven… Links incredibly strongly to:
"No matter how dark the night, morning always comes, and our journey begins anew."
The reason I haven't really posted this until today was that I was hoping tree.hugger would die so that I'd get clarification on whether or not ohN's clues are tree related or not. If that's so, then this could be shockey instead. The 2 am morning, however, as well as the our DT going to heaven and starting a journey anew seem pretty strong though.
Anyways, I won't really be done getting candidates for every clue section until tomorrow because there are a number I'm still debating about. And Malongo, I know you put some work up, but you're a grand total of one person, and that doesn't really add up to the town as a whole trying to fucking do work. At least Fishball was regularly PMing me and trying to put together ideas and a plan to go forward.
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Wow i'm good at proof reading. Thought I left that bit out, but I put it in twice instead.
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[quote]Wait what?
How on earth does that point to me? You quoted ohN's profile twice, and apparently that links to me? What? [quote] I already quoted the tree clues earlier. I didn't want to attribute them to you because they also could fit ohN. When I found a clue to him that was non-tree related, it meant that trees could be connected to you again. The tree that smashed Shikyo to death and the root that tripped phrubaz's target.
[quote]Now, as one of this game's most prolific posters, with a strong interest in these games, I doubt anyone was fooled by this sudden depression, and hopelessness.[/quote] That shit was legit. Its happened before. Feel free to look at past games; it wouldn't be the first time I'm 100% convinced of something, fuck up and go "FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU" for 2 days. Pretty much every time I've killed Ace, I've been pretty certain that he was mafia
Feel free to read other games; Its not like this is the first time I screw up, nor would it be the first time I'm exasperated with myself for missing something.
[quote]Surely he proved himself by the QS lynch[/quote] Uh. that was Ver's DT who checked him, not chez. Ie, If0l or whatever (sorry bro, your name is hard to remember). No one really is cleared by the QS lynch because the entire town bussed him, and it was pretty obvious the town was going to bus him.
I'm about to go to sleep, but I've been having a lot of trouble with the ritual murder clue as well as the black liquid killer. If you guys can brainstorm or something, that would help me a lot. I want to be sure I get things accurate this time.
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Wait what?
How on earth does that point to me? You quoted ohN's profile twice, and apparently that links to me? What? I already quoted the tree clues earlier. I didn't want to attribute them to you because they also could fit ohN. When I found a clue to him that was non-tree related, it meant that trees could be connected to you again. The tree that smashed Shikyo to death and the root that tripped phrubaz's target.
Now, as one of this game's most prolific posters, with a strong interest in these games, I doubt anyone was fooled by this sudden depression, and hopelessness. That shit was legit. Its happened before. Feel free to look at past games; it wouldn't be the first time I'm 100% convinced of something, fuck up and go "FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU" for 2 days. Pretty much every time I've killed Ace, I've been pretty certain that he was mafia
Feel free to read other games; Its not like this is the first time I screw up, nor would it be the first time I'm exasperated with myself for missing something.
Surely he proved himself by the QS lynch Uh. that was Ver's DT who checked him, not chez. Ie, If0l or whatever (sorry bro, your name is hard to remember). No one really is cleared by the QS lynch because the entire town bussed him, and it was pretty obvious the town was going to bus him.
I'm about to go to sleep, but I've been having a lot of trouble with the ritual murder clue as well as the black liquid killer. If you guys can brainstorm or something, that would help me a lot. I want to be sure I get things accurate this time.
Edit: Gj I forgot a /.
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On February 28 2010 07:07 Chezinu wrote:
L hurry up and write a bug speech to give town the info you know before you die. May the Circles guide you! Almost done.
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