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On January 27 2010 03:31 XeliN wrote:
The the next lynch I propose Tree.Hugger, He has shown through his votes and also some of his postings that he is likely to be Mafia. He gets 3 votes each lynch and the longer this game goes on with him in that position we are going to have a far more difficult time of actually lynching Mafia. I consider Quickstriker and Dozko certainly more obviously Mafia but they have far less influence over this game.
With Tree.Hugger out of the picture we can actually stand a chance of our votes meaning something and the Mafia may not be able to just outvote us each occasion as shown most obviously by the Softer lynch last.
Tree.Hugger is my pick for lynch
Don't go too hasty until Day 3.
I personally won't make any decisions until then.
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Are our blues more active now and investigating things?
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Actually, that seems like a very dumb question to ask in public, since no one would actively admit that. But I would hope that they are.
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Like anything Fish I am not suggesting we rush into it but for now he would be my pick.
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On January 27 2010 03:31 XeliN wrote:
The the next lynch I propose Tree.Hugger, He has shown through his votes and also some of his postings that he is likely to be Mafia. He gets 3 votes each lynch and the longer this game goes on with him in that position we are going to have a far more difficult time of actually lynching Mafia. I consider Quickstriker and Dozko certainly more obviously Mafia but they have far less influence over this game.
With Tree.Hugger out of the picture we can actually stand a chance of our votes meaning something and the Mafia may not be able to just outvote us each occasion as shown most obviously by the Softer lynch last.
Tree.Hugger is my pick for lynch
I don't even think we can lynch the mayor.
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On January 27 2010 05:00 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2010 03:31 XeliN wrote:
The the next lynch I propose Tree.Hugger, He has shown through his votes and also some of his postings that he is likely to be Mafia. He gets 3 votes each lynch and the longer this game goes on with him in that position we are going to have a far more difficult time of actually lynching Mafia. I consider Quickstriker and Dozko certainly more obviously Mafia but they have far less influence over this game.
With Tree.Hugger out of the picture we can actually stand a chance of our votes meaning something and the Mafia may not be able to just outvote us each occasion as shown most obviously by the Softer lynch last.
Tree.Hugger is my pick for lynch I don't even think we can lynch the mayor.
But yea, like fishball said, let day 3 come
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we can lynch the mayor if we think they are mafia; otherwise if there was a mafia mayor, they would autowin.
It is not worth it right now to lynch tree.hugger without any evidence, and I don't think that choosing softer alone is good evidence. While he benefits mafia if he is a mafia, the power of 3 votes benefits us as well. If we lynch him, it is like lynching three townies, so it is not a good choice to make at the moment.
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I thought lynching people without evidence is what we did? Might as well Lynch someone who has acted like a Mafia would rather than going on a vague "clue" or whatever poor logic you guys used to pick Softer
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On January 27 2010 05:44 XeliN wrote:
I thought lynching people without evidence is what we did? Might as well Lynch someone who has acted like a Mafia would rather than going on a vague "clue" or whatever poor logic you guys used to pick Softer
I will ask you again, so you may completely outline your thoughts in your reply.
What makes feel that X is mafia (where X is the name of a suspect you've listed previously)? What behavior do you find suspicious and why?
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Iv'e tried to systematically line out reasons clearly in some of my earlier posts but seeing as how the Mafia's technique of making vague associations and arguments seems to work so well there seams no reason not to save some time and use it also.
But sure i will go over the reasons later on about Tree.
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honestly i voted for softer because of his quote in his profile. I thought the quote "don't believe your eyes" was connected to do "hypnotizing" blades.
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waiting for day 3 and a new batch of clues 
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On January 27 2010 08:46 RoyW wrote:waiting for day 3 and a new batch of clues
You scared you might be in those close? Lol.
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Clues* wooow what a fail, I just woke up. Lol.
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Wow shockeyy, 1500 posts for a reaver icon ^^
Anyway I think that because 1) every day 3 people from the mob participate in the killings 2) BC's rotating them so that not a single person appears too many times in the clues; it is safe to assume that after the dawn of day 3 every mafia member would have done at least one of the kills.
Now we have a double lynch which I think is a good thing because theoretically we now have all the info we need. If we dont lynch any mafia with 3 days' worth of clues then the marginal helpfulness of further ones is surely diminishing.
I think we need to focus first and foremost on identifying recurring patterns within the clues and looking at them more generally (i.e. not hinging on adjectives/sentences alone since that didnt help us so far, but looking more for concepts and themes) . Ill be doing a massive analysis of the 3 days' worth of clues in parallel so hopefully that will shed some light, since I am a bit confused at this point.
Also one thing I want to, tentatively (because it is based a lot on my opinion), suggest is that we use at least one of the lynches on an election candidate. Reasons for that being:
1) A lot of people are inactive and as I convinced myself after last night's lynch, inactivity + single word clues are not the way forwards. Sure these people are not very helpful and some might be mafia, but I severely doubt that any (or the strong majority in any case) of the reds will downplay their presence to such an extent as being inactive.
2) I am convinced that the mafia ran at least one member for election, therefore it is a good idea to lynch at least one of them because 1/4 is certainly good odds and that theory makes sense.
Now to conclude currently I am presenting to you two ideas for your consideration (and pls agree/disagree since I am slightly annoyed at the inactivity of the game):
I - We lynch only among the active people in the game - i.e. those with more than a few meaningful posts.
II - We lynch one of the election candidates - i.e. d3_crescentia, tree.hugger, fulgrim and Iaaan.
Of those 4, my gut feeling is that d3 is not mafia - however I have no evidence to back this up and so it will be good if all posters say which person (if such exists) they 100% believe is a townie, so feel free to disagree.
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Well doing II means that we will lynch either me or Iaaan because we don't have enough evidence to convict either elected officials. (Imagine lynching d3 and him turning up green XP) If enough people in the town are behind this then I guess one of us will have to die, which is a shame because I really don't think Iaaan is mafia.
On the other hand we could start lynching "Active" people, but I have a hunch that there are few active posting mafia this game, most of them are probably lurking and just popping in to say something/accuse another player. I am suspicious of Xelin being mafia (although there aren't really any clues to support this, just by behavior) And of d3 because of the "pot of flowers", and some of his votes. I have no idea why Quickstriker abstained all three votes, and that plus the "quick" clues make me suspicious of him as well.
Perhaps people could start debating WHO specifically they want lynched tomorrow.
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I think that lynching people who will hopefully be modkilled (i.e. no votes/posts at all) is useless, but I'm sure that several mafia members are lurking; why should we prioritize the active ones over the lurking ones?
I also think that the mafia would want to put at least one person up to be elected, but at this point I don't know who, and while I'm pretty sure the mafia will have slipped someone into the election, there is always the possibility that they didn't. If you, or anyone can make a strong case against one of the candidates, great. But if you simply want to lynch them because they are candidates, then I think there are other people that are more likely mafia.
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On January 26 2010 07:34 XeliN wrote:
I already considered Tree.hugger Johnnyspazz and Dozko as being prime suspects for Mafia, well Tree and Johnny, Dozko is more of a certainty.
I am very curious to hear Cresentia and Laaan's deeper explanation to their votes. I very much do not suspect Laaan and am suprised he voted Softer, cresentia I am more suspicious of.
Before this i posted a link to my friend of the 7 suspects I would choose, at a push, to be Mafia
ShoCkey
Dozko
Quickstriker
Haster
~OpZ~
Jonnyspazz
Tree.Hugger
Haster is dubious, all he is done is somewhat irrationally voted for me and given some of my posts its more than possible he could have just got the wrong idea and believed I am Mafia. As such Cresentia could be the substitute for Haster.
For the love of god can we plz Lynch one of these next round, if we go one more time with lynching a Townie this game is completely lost, as of now it is barely salvagable.
Okay jack ass, I've done proposed we lynch quickstriker....You're just mad I voted for you. And called you retarded.
Find a clue that points at me, then lynch me. I dare you. You won't find any that work BECAUSE I'M NOT MAFIA.
That is all.
Xelin
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On January 24 2010 08:37 Iaaan wrote:
and just because I think it might be relevant, I will post some stuff about the voting.
fulgrim - 3
tree.hugger
itspaul
decafchicken
d3_cresentia - 5
Fishball
Dozko
softer
i10f
johnnyspazz
It could mean nothing, but the Mafia could have killed these people (itspaul and i10f) to show that it wasn't the Mafia voting for Cresentia/fulgrim, when they really were. But that said, The mafia would have been aiming to get someone in the position of mayor, so looking at the votes for tree.hugger:
tree.hugger - 3
d3_cresentia
~opz~
no_re
This is who everyone thought would win, as he had 4 votes before i changed mine. I changed my vote to try to screw things up because like I said, I think the Mafia would have wanted the Mayor position the most, and the Mafia thought tree.hugger would have won (which he did) since he was in the lead. Any more votes for him would have caused a tie for sheriff, and at that point in the game, we didn't know what would have happened in a tie. Again with wanting the position of mayor, the Mafia could have voted for Cresentia in order to put them ahead of their candidate.
So all that said, at this point the people I suspect the most are Softer and Johnnyspazz for bumping up cresentias votes towards the end, ~Opz~ for voting free tree.hugger, tree.hugger for being mayor (again because the mafia would want this position, and the mafia should have thought tree.hugger would win), and Quickstriker for the clues (which Fishball outlined, and I also think the line "Drawing something technical" points to his profile.)
Yo...
Okay, so I voted for tree.hugger because I hadn't read all the thread, and Xelin and Quickstriker really seemed newbie and like they THINK they know whats going on, but they type without any purpose and without any actual knowledge. They seem too vague and unspecific. You know? And they talk like they think they're smart, WHEN YOU CAN TELL that they aren't as smart as they seem. It's weak. I voted for tree.hugger because he didn't sound stupid.
That is all. So quit being weaksauce.
And if you want to see who I'm acting like....well, I won't tell you who I'm modeling my persona off of.
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Better question is who knew who the vigi's were....
I now suspect tree.hugger too....Someone consolidate and find all his posts and put them together.
I'm currently out of state, on my lap top, hence my no posting yesterday. Proof would be easily obtainable, and sadly, anytime soon, week/month(s), an even sadder proof would be obtainable....
Severe, and sad, family issues. My grandfather has been diagnosed with cancer, so if I don't post often it's because of that.
and Mr. Sheriff, plz lock up Xelin or Velkan....
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