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~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
January 23 2010 03:04 GMT
#461
Oh...and I think you are too for defending him....You would know if he was mafia.....and naturally defend him...

Xelin wants to get rid of quickstriker because he's active...and retarded....

I highly suspect them both, but only because of that....Screw that bandwagon...
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
Gabriel
Profile Joined December 2008
149 Posts
January 23 2010 03:06 GMT
#462
I just highlighted the phrases that are out of context as opposed to no_re. He thought that "with a quick attack" was a clue but seems too direct to me. I did some research in another mafia thread and they are always very obscure.
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
January 23 2010 03:23 GMT
#463
On January 23 2010 12:04 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Oh...and I think you are too for defending him....You would know if he was mafia.....and naturally defend him...

Xelin wants to get rid of quickstriker because he's active...and retarded....

I highly suspect them both, but only because of that....Screw that bandwagon...


Nice to have back up.
Life?
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
January 23 2010 03:31 GMT
#464
On January 23 2010 12:23 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2010 12:04 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Oh...and I think you are too for defending him....You would know if he was mafia.....and naturally defend him...

Xelin wants to get rid of quickstriker because he's active...and retarded....

I highly suspect them both, but only because of that....Screw that bandwagon...


Nice to have back up.

I said that wrong anyway....

Either way I mean atleast one of them is retarded and mafia....and the other is just retarded....so lets just lynch them both and call it a night?
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
johnnyspazz
Profile Joined April 2009
Taiwan1470 Posts
January 23 2010 03:37 GMT
#465
if i was mayor i would definitely have xelin lynched next
"The big difference between sex for money and sex for free is that sex for money usually costs a lot less." -Brendan Behan
johnnyspazz
Profile Joined April 2009
Taiwan1470 Posts
January 23 2010 03:37 GMT
#466
but ofcouse i would wait for day 2 clues
"The big difference between sex for money and sex for free is that sex for money usually costs a lot less." -Brendan Behan
XeliN
Profile Joined June 2009
United Kingdom1755 Posts
January 23 2010 04:15 GMT
#467
Johnny just a quesiton, if you were mayor and would definately have me Lynched BUT THEN it came back that I was a Green Townie.

Theres no need to wait for day 2 clues. Lynch me now so that my innocence can put forward a stronger argument than anything I have posted yet and then take my arguments more seriously.

tbh if I was the Mayor I would also Lynch me as if I am innocent you would unfortunately lose a green townie but you would also gain a wealth of information in that you could go over the events in this thread from a new perspective. The perspective that I am a Townie and come to conclusions on other peoples posts based on that.

So to conclude I agree that I should be lynched. If I have done my job right then doing so can only help the townies no matter what my role is.
Adonai bless
XeliN
Profile Joined June 2009
United Kingdom1755 Posts
January 23 2010 04:17 GMT
#468
Johnny i was going to add at the end of the first sentence "Then what would you do?" I'm abit pissed so forgot to finish it and went off on a stream of conscious tangent.
Adonai bless
XeliN
Profile Joined June 2009
United Kingdom1755 Posts
January 23 2010 04:21 GMT
#469
Currently i kinda see the situation going on as akin to the MSL Finals. The Mafia (Flash) are the obvious people to win at this point, but I still hope the Townies (Jaedong) PWN this shit up and come out of it with a 3-0 rapeage.
Adonai bless
QuickStriker
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3694 Posts
January 23 2010 04:25 GMT
#470
How the hell is Flash the mafia and Jaedong the townies? If anything, Flash is the pure innocent townie who is also powerful indeed to be known as the ultimate weapon. Jaedong is the townie as he is the tyrant causing chaos in the town. That being said, Flash will own JD 3-0 in MSL....

And I'm back from my NSL tourney. Darn, so long so tiring.... maybe anyone here want to join me and help out during NSL in the future??

Anyway, when do we know the results for the Night 1? Since I do prefer if Day 2 comes quicker so we can see more clues, leads and more suggestions to come along with it... =/
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tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
January 23 2010 04:26 GMT
#471
On January 23 2010 13:15 XeliN wrote:
Johnny just a quesiton, if you were mayor and would definately have me Lynched BUT THEN it came back that I was a Green Townie.

Theres no need to wait for day 2 clues. Lynch me now so that my innocence can put forward a stronger argument than anything I have posted yet and then take my arguments more seriously.

tbh if I was the Mayor I would also Lynch me as if I am innocent you would unfortunately lose a green townie but you would also gain a wealth of information in that you could go over the events in this thread from a new perspective. The perspective that I am a Townie and come to conclusions on other peoples posts based on that.

So to conclude I agree that I should be lynched. If I have done my job right then doing so can only help the townies no matter what my role is.


We're not going to lynch you because you want us to, now stop being an attention whore.
ModeratorEffOrt, Snow, GuMiho, and Team Liquid
XeliN
Profile Joined June 2009
United Kingdom1755 Posts
January 23 2010 04:27 GMT
#472
I originally posted this just to RoyW but as it is the spirit of sharing and tbh would like to get this out there for all to see then...

Can't tell you how happy I am that there is at least one person that realises that It's clear I'm not Mafia.

PM is not rlly to do with this game, in all honesty I think the mafia are gonna win this which is annoying, but thanks for the support

Hopefully there are others who haven't posted but will come to the same conclusion.

Thought i might let you know out of all the people I have accused here is how I would rank my suspicion

1. Dozko, I literally have no doubts on him, if he is not Mafia then my god he is very dumb

2. Quickstriker, I am less certain about him but only compared to Dozko, this is only because I am still laying alot of emphasis on the "quick attack" clue. I think the clue is significant but also his posting has seemed very mafia like altho more subtle and toned down than Dozko

3. Shockeyy, I am kinda compelled to lump him with QuickStriker, he seems like Quickstrikers cheerleader and the only situation I can see whereby he is innocent is either if

A) he is friends qith quickstriker before this game and quick has managed to persuade him he is innocent and thereby gain his support OR I am wrong on Quickstriker even though both his posts and the clue itself are very suspicious and thus missed the mark completely on both of them

This seems unlikely though and tbh i think all three are red

Also out of the two people who have been elected I am far more suspicious of Tree.hugger than cresentia although it is possible they are both mafia.

For tree.hugger to completely ignore//miss the significance of what i kinda offered, which is essentially that I am happy to die as long as when it transpires I am Green that the town then take action against others is kinda telling
Adonai bless
XeliN
Profile Joined June 2009
United Kingdom1755 Posts
January 23 2010 04:41 GMT
#473
Tree.hugger you lose literally close to nothing by lynching me (you lose a townie but there are over 20 of us..) yet you stand to gain so much by doing so.

I literally see no reason why you would dismiss lynching me. Do it, unless you have a legitimate candidate alrdy that you are highly suspicious of and think it would be more beneificial to lynch but as far as I can tell you do not. You will gain an awful lot by lynching me, and ignorance of this will be viewed, I hope, by the town on large as suspicious.
Adonai bless
XeliN
Profile Joined June 2009
United Kingdom1755 Posts
January 23 2010 04:47 GMT
#474
and btw I believe the term you are looking for Mafia is "Catch 22" or "between a rock and a hard place" xD
Adonai bless
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
January 23 2010 05:03 GMT
#475
On January 23 2010 13:27 XeliN wrote:
I originally posted this just to RoyW but as it is the spirit of sharing and tbh would like to get this out there for all to see then...

Can't tell you how happy I am that there is at least one person that realises that It's clear I'm not Mafia.

PM is not rlly to do with this game, in all honesty I think the mafia are gonna win this which is annoying, but thanks for the support

Hopefully there are others who haven't posted but will come to the same conclusion.

Thought i might let you know out of all the people I have accused here is how I would rank my suspicion

1. Dozko, I literally have no doubts on him, if he is not Mafia then my god he is very dumb

2. Quickstriker, I am less certain about him but only compared to Dozko, this is only because I am still laying alot of emphasis on the "quick attack" clue. I think the clue is significant but also his posting has seemed very mafia like altho more subtle and toned down than Dozko

3. Shockeyy, I am kinda compelled to lump him with QuickStriker, he seems like Quickstrikers cheerleader and the only situation I can see whereby he is innocent is either if

A) he is friends qith quickstriker before this game and quick has managed to persuade him he is innocent and thereby gain his support OR I am wrong on Quickstriker even though both his posts and the clue itself are very suspicious and thus missed the mark completely on both of them

This seems unlikely though and tbh i think all three are red

Also out of the two people who have been elected I am far more suspicious of Tree.hugger than cresentia although it is possible they are both mafia.

For tree.hugger to completely ignore//miss the significance of what i kinda offered, which is essentially that I am happy to die as long as when it transpires I am Green that the town then take action against others is kinda telling


The only reason as to why I back up QuickStriker is because, he actually wants us to win. What kind of mafia would start posting things to help us win. He was the only one that actually did something in the beginning of the game. As to well, you already trying to lynch him, even though he had done nothing to you.
Life?
QuickStriker
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3694 Posts
January 23 2010 05:03 GMT
#476
Alright guys, as we all should know as members of TL (I know some people aren't into Starcraft), we have one of the biggest finals of the century coming up in 4 hours. As a result, I will resort to sleeping. I was skiming through the last pages, and I felt like it's too much for me to think after the incident of NSL today. So you probably won't hear from me at all till tomorrow or ever if I happen to die. I don't know if medics are really doing their job of picking someone to protect but I do suggest to choose carefully of who do you think will be hit next and soon.

The detectives should do a role check tonight. I recommend to pick who you think is mafia and if it has been proven false, then you can still use that person to create an inner circle in order to share thoughts. This is an excellent tactic known for a while and have many uses.

Finally, depending on the clues given tomorrow, I do suggest of voting on the "Double Lynch" for Day 3. Since the rule for using double lynch for the town requires one day in advance to use such an ability, the town should vote on it regardless of not being able to find anyone tomorrow, as by day 3, I am sure we can find 2 possible candidates to lynch on. The other mafia game is using this strategy and I feel it is an effective excellent thought after consideration. So everyone, please keep that in mind. Thanks and out.
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d3_crescentia
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4054 Posts
January 23 2010 05:29 GMT
#477
On January 23 2010 10:08 ShoCkeyy wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

On January 23 2010 09:10 d3_crescentia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2010 08:24 Iaaan wrote:
And last think I can think of right now, If either the mayor/sheriff are DTs, they could tell us, because they can't be killed by the Mafia right? we have to lynch them. for any other role they could just lie (if they were the Mafia), but its not hard to prove your a DT to the public if you have protection.

True, but I think the Mafia can turn this around to their advantage even if they were to lie and claim DT publicly.

If a Mafia officers claims DT publicly, then they'd have to rolecheck someone. Mafia could coordinate to have one person take the hit; they would check and be forced to sacrifice a member after public announcement. All well and good for the town, except that the DT cannot rolecheck twice in a row, and would still let the Mafia kill 6 people for the time being. Then on the third night, the Mafia/fake DT would have a chance of being discovered if two DTs do the same check to be sure. However, doing so could reveal the real DT if they collaborate together and then the Mafia will target the real DT. We could then lynch the Mafia/fake DT if the evidence is conclusive enough, though it's possible that they could also make a lucky guess in checking people, and continue on another day.

Secondly, if the Mafia officer claims DT and says he's doing cluechecks instead, the same thing would happen with the rolecheck above - there's no way to confirm the word that the officer actually IS a DT without outside collaboration, which would threaten to expose any other DTs we have.

If we have the case that the officer actually IS DT, then for all of the reasoning above it would be dangerous to trust him 100%. In other words, it would be extremely advantageous for us to have a DT in office, but it would be extremely suspicious for them to roleclaim that publicly. Privately will be a different story, but even then I would be suspicious.

Lastly, keep in mind that the Mafia are actively trying to figure out whatever OUR roles are, and they have a better chance in guessing Townie over a blue role. If in the first case they decided to not let another Mafia take the fall, they have a good chance of hitting a Townie by guessing, and again we would have to wait until Night 3/Day 4 for a double DT confirmation to be sure.

It would be advantageous, yes, to have a DT in office, and I would think an active DTs would have had the thought cross their mind, even if they didn't decide to do it. I just don't think they would roleclaim so soon.

This is all off the top of my head and someone could (and should try to) find holes in my logic.

Day 2 clues should give us a better idea of who to lynch. I think the remaining DTs should rolecheck the election candidates - whomever they can or mistrust.


The thing with this, is that Mafia won't roleclaim DT publicly. If some one roleclaims DT publicly then we can expect them to be lynched by the mafia. So that means if a mafia member role claims DT publicly and doesn't get lynched, that person must be a mafia. There's no way a DT will survive if he openly says he's a DT.

Possible, but consider the following: DT could have found a medic on first rolecheck; messages medic and lets them know that they know their role. DT then announces that they are DT, but they have medic protection and don't die.

My answer was originally in response to if either Mayor/Sheriff were mafia and roleclaimed DT. Generally I think it's a pretty bad idea to roleclaim DT this early in the game anyway, so...
once, not long ago, there was a moon here
Iaaan
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada578 Posts
January 23 2010 05:30 GMT
#478
I think that there are 1 or 2 mafia that tried out to be elected, then 1 or 2 that are actively posting, then 2 or 3 that are lurking, and maybe 1 or 2 that havent been playing at all.

But i withhold my judgement about who they are for now.
d3_crescentia
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4054 Posts
January 23 2010 05:46 GMT
#479
On January 23 2010 14:30 Iaaan wrote:
I think that there are 1 or 2 mafia that tried out to be elected, then 1 or 2 that are actively posting, then 2 or 3 that are lurking, and maybe 1 or 2 that havent been playing at all.

But i withhold my judgement about who they are for now.

Seems like a reasonable guess.
once, not long ago, there was a moon here
d3_crescentia
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4054 Posts
January 23 2010 05:55 GMT
#480
On January 23 2010 13:15 XeliN wrote:
Johnny just a quesiton, if you were mayor and would definately have me Lynched BUT THEN it came back that I was a Green Townie.

Theres no need to wait for day 2 clues. Lynch me now so that my innocence can put forward a stronger argument than anything I have posted yet and then take my arguments more seriously.

tbh if I was the Mayor I would also Lynch me as if I am innocent you would unfortunately lose a green townie but you would also gain a wealth of information in that you could go over the events in this thread from a new perspective. The perspective that I am a Townie and come to conclusions on other peoples posts based on that.

So to conclude I agree that I should be lynched. If I have done my job right then doing so can only help the townies no matter what my role is.

XeliN, the Mayor has no direct control over who will be lynched on Day 2, the whole town does, by vote. The mayor has 3 votes, if you recall, and given that we have 23 members who voted yesterday (and hopefully more tomorrow from the modkill incentive) the Mayor has some but ultimately not enough influence over the town if we all choose to vote.

Secondly, it is impossible to lynch you now simply because lynch voting is during the Day, not the night. The Day 2 clues will come in before we can even officially VOTE to lynch you, and I think it would be wise to at least LOOK at them for some of the 48 hour period before Day 2 ends.

I am still interested to see a comprehensive post about your proposition to lynch QS and/or dozko (with yourself if you are wrong), detailing what you think suggests that they are mafia. I know you are going to be busy/asleep for some time. I think it would help our more inactive players get caught up to speed quickly, and it would help the town make a vote tomorrow. =]
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