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On January 22 2010 21:14 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2010 15:43 ShoCkeyy wrote:Wait a minute... On January 22 2010 14:00 tree.hugger wrote:
Aww damn, I was expecting lunaticman to ninja vote for me. Soon after he becomes major, he lynches the same person he wanted to ninja vote for him. It was a joke, a joke! But I guess lunaticman was on my mind because I had searched earlier for this guy's post in the sign-up thread as well, and hadn't found it. I thought of how ironic it would be if someone who hadn't said a single word yet ran in at the last moment and voted.
Uh huh... sure... I'm watching you mayor
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Royw you high? I have posted mostly facts and base lines as to why people can be mafia. Which I suspect, you're mafia. I feel like you and xelin are mafia. Because I pointed out xelin the most, which now you're trying to back up xelin because that's all you have been doing with oiut a reasonas to why you are. Now you're out to attack me, even though I haven't attacked you yet. Now I am.
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Well my typing at the moment sucks, since I am on my phone. But like I said, if you would have actually read any of my post, you would notice that I did not just post one liners, yet I've posted plenty of things that very suspicious and very note worthy. I've only attacked people that have put themselves up for mayor, because that's most likely a mafia move of course.
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I say we lynch you first. Ever since the game has started, you've only wanted qs to be lynched.
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Lol Xelin, I have more things on you than me. I have posted way more things that urge you being the mafia.
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On January 23 2010 08:59 dozko wrote:Xelin, of course my long analysis on you (and primarily your campaign post) was opinionated and a bit vague. You seem to forget that it is day 1, and I stated in the beginning that this is my gut feeling, its really not black and white. For the sake of putting the topic to rest I will now post examples and clarifications for each of my seven points. WARNING: the mother of all spoilers! + Show Spoiler +1) + Show Spoiler +You are called out by a certain member whose name now escapes me, and you ignore this but go off on a tangent. Given that you have made your claim to mayordom about a dozen of posts ago it seems weird you bring this up now. Here is the post I am talking about in the bold bit: + Show Spoiler +On January 21 2010 10:00 ShoCkeyy wrote:
This is why I have voted for you. I like that you're already trying to help us newcomers and win the game. If you were to be a mafia, you wouldn't be doing this. Back to lynching XeliN
Notice he hasn't posted since I called him out! Note that before this post you have not posted for a page and a half, and after this post you do not respond to Shcokeyy but do an unrelated and weirdly timed campaign post. This leads me to the next part of the point. The remaining bit. The "claim to mayordom" is a short way of saying "your desire to step forward as a candidate for election". Initially you posted your candidature on page six + Show Spoiler +On January 20 2010 17:19 XeliN wrote:
Also I put myself forward to run for election. Considered not doing as I have a survival instinct and don't want to have too much attention drawn to myself at an early stage but in all honesty I think i would be a good choice for either of the roles. Then six pages later you finally add the reasoning as to why we should elect you. My conclusion: given that all other candidates have expressed their reasoning with their campaign posts it is out of the ordinary. 2) + Show Spoiler +If you look at his posts you will notice a certain tendency. He basically commentates a lot: i.e. he likes to state things which are obvious. To me this seems like some attempt to subtly gain credibility by not saying anything too provocative but still going with the trend a lot, since by saying obvious things no one can disagree with him and hence when people read the posts they will be subconsciously be lead to believe he is credible and trustworthy. Even if he is not red this still is not good since we all can read for ourselves and he is not adding any analytical value so far. After the very first piece of analysis you start a bandwagon claiming QS is mafia, going with the trend. + Show Spoiler +On January 20 2010 17:01 XeliN wrote:
A quick attack? Well with a player named QuickStriker in the game this looks like a kind of obvious clue. Also he was the first to respond to the first Sheriff Candidacy anouncement of Fulgrim, drawing attention to himself being "amused" by Fulgrim's "I'm not a mafia" comment.
Comment post + Show Spoiler +On January 20 2010 17:01 XeliN wrote:
This however, as far as I can tell is an exceptionally bad strategy, the point of electing a mayor or sherrif is someone who seems active, discerning and importantly decisive, and your suggestion of sit and wait reeks to me on manipulation at an early stage.
Another comment + Show Spoiler +On January 20 2010 22:02 XeliN wrote:
Sure i am aware of that xD, but im also concious that it is certainly going to be an ambition of the mafia in general to have their members run in the election race and so anyone who puts themselves forward is simply by that action more suspicious that one who doesn't.
Another + Show Spoiler +On January 21 2010 03:12 XeliN wrote:
heh Sagaz interesting you raised that as I was just outside having a ciggarette thinking over the things in this thread and how there have already been claims made, suspcions cast e.t.c and was thinking it might be extremely intelligent for the mafia as a whole to simply not post much, rely on us creating so much confusion amongst ourselves that they do not need to try to provoke it or develop it. Following the trend: Initially: + Show Spoiler +On January 21 2010 03:12 XeliN wrote:I don't agree that we ought to lynch the person who has posted least in any way though and am also inclined to think that the mafia have not adopted this strategy of just letting the town fuck it up for themselves. And after d3's post, only a few hrs later: + Show Spoiler +On January 21 2010 07:46 XeliN wrote:
Im starting to warm to the idea someone mentioned earlier about lynching those that post least, not because i think it relates to them being mafia or would be productive in any way just out of sheer annoyance. Yet another: + Show Spoiler +On January 21 2010 10:53 XeliN wrote:Furthermore anyone who wishes to question anything about My posts or has any suspicions at all I will respond with openly and what I will intend to be clear and rational. These are plenty examples. Note that the rest of the point is deductive analysis, which is based on such posts, yet you dismiss it completely in your reply. 3) + Show Spoiler +His last point, does not respond to an accusation from another poster but simply explains his campaign. ( I repeat myself here with point 1) What strikes me is that he is the only candidate who is speaking in definite terms i.e. On January 21 2010 10:53 XeliN wrote:
My candidacy for Mayor.
I strongly believe that some of the Mafia have already given themselves away at a very early stage in this and as such know preciciely what I plan on doing were i to be elected into either of the roles. This is subject to change and reconsideration but let me be frank, I would vote to lynch, kill or incarcerate Quickstriker and or crescentia. There are others that I have suspicions about but nothing as strong as my feeling that both of these posters (Most specifically Quickstriker) are being manipulative and acting in a fashion that i would expect the Mafia to act.[/QIOTE]
Now why would he write this when it is clear that he has a very small chance of actually being correct, and he knows it? I think it is because he wants to further add some false credibility to himself (further putting emphasis on point 2). Compare this with the other candidates before him, who approach this in a more open-minded fashion. Again i stand by my conclusion. How can you be so sure that your theories are correct, that you consider them an important part of your campaign, when even you realize we do not have enough info for that level of certainness. 4) + Show Spoiler +He claims that he will be a top priority for the mafia and we should protect him because of the "openess" of his posts. Well this makes no sense at all, because a) So far he has not said anything significant (still keeping his master plan under wraps) and b) the mafia would be silly to kill him, since that actually gives us MORE information than letting him live. Your claim + Show Spoiler +On January 21 2010 10:53 XeliN wrote:I urge people to vote me in, I think i am likely to be a target for a mafia given the nature of my posts and openess of my suspicions and so on that basis only i would enjoy the protection. I still stand by my point. Your claim i have quoted above makes no sense because of the two points a) and b). 5) + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2010 10:53 XeliN wrote:
I am also slightly drunk as i was playing HoN with a friend on skype and drinking abit so i probably ought to wait untill putting forward a post like this but what did waiting ever acheieve!
This paragraph makes me very suspicious. Firstly why bring up that you have been drinking at all? The most likely reason is that he can use that as an additional tool, to make people not read too much into his post. Again it seems he is trying to say obvious and genuine things to win our trust. Secondly and more worryingly look at the grammar of the quoted paragraph. Note that before the paragraph about the drinking, he has only committed 2 spelling mistakes in 350 words; yet in a single 37 word paragraph commits 3 spelling mistakes. I believe these are intentional and he is artificially supporting his drunken claim. I think my points here are valid even though they are a bit far fetched, the variance of the errors in your writing is very large up to this point. Again this is what I felt at the time thinking about the game and put it in words. You completely ignore this paragraph in your retort. 6) + Show Spoiler +6) He keeps repeating that people who disagree with him are welcome to an open debate. Well this again is obvious. Anything posted here is obviously open for debate, and the fact that he keeps telling us this, coupled with the fact that he hasn't been called out so far again furthers his aim to gain our trust. Note how he has been far busier in making these types of posts rather than actually trying to analyze for clues. Example + Show Spoiler +On January 21 2010 10:53 XeliN wrote:Furthermore anyone who wishes to question anything about My posts or has any suspicions at all I will respond with openly and what I will intend to be clear and rational. Another + Show Spoiler +On January 21 2010 02:49 XeliN wrote:Neither of those two assertions has any merit and i challenge you to make a clear and logical argument as to why. Another + Show Spoiler +On January 21 2010 02:49 XeliN wrote:Likewise please provide clear explanation for everyone to see and assess as for why you have named me, otherwise i suspect they may draw similar conclusions that i have. Given the above my reasoning is plausible. Also you have indeed only been involved in arguments with other players and only have 1 post on analyzing the clues (which is the only real concrete info we have so far). So my other point still stands. 7) + Show Spoiler +7) In the last paragraph of his post he does what ? You guessed it, going for the "friend available" routine, which again serves to further the aforementioned goals. This is self explanatory. As you can see from the above I have indeed based the analysis on your posts, and since 99% of the thread so far is speculation since we have little concrete info, it is laughable for you to begin PM'ing me and lunging at me in the thread simply because I have called you out. Before I conclude this mammoth of a post, let me draw attention to your posting style again. You write about everything with 100% certainty and you still sprinkle your arguments with certain things, which at this point are pointless to say as anyone will claim this when queried. e.g. + Show Spoiler +On January 23 2010 07:10 XeliN wrote:Another reason i suspect him and is I have the knowledge that I am innocent, Finally, I still stand by my original conclusions. Your posting style is still making me suspicious and I believe this may be down to one of the following reasons: - You're mafia and being a new player got freaked out, that you might be found out, given someone is putting so much effort in analyzing your posts (which is my default posting style anyway). - You have a blue role and dont want my posts to risk you getting lynched, but you jump to conclusions very quickly and dont think things through (further evidenced by your unprovoked flame PMs to me). Again read the very first sentences of my initial post on you. It is a gut feeling and my thoughts, why do you feel so threatened?
You have read my mind. I don't like the way Xelin has to offer things, or the way he puts things.
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On January 23 2010 09:10 d3_crescentia wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2010 08:24 Iaaan wrote:
And last think I can think of right now, If either the mayor/sheriff are DTs, they could tell us, because they can't be killed by the Mafia right? we have to lynch them. for any other role they could just lie (if they were the Mafia), but its not hard to prove your a DT to the public if you have protection. True, but I think the Mafia can turn this around to their advantage even if they were to lie and claim DT publicly. If a Mafia officers claims DT publicly, then they'd have to rolecheck someone. Mafia could coordinate to have one person take the hit; they would check and be forced to sacrifice a member after public announcement. All well and good for the town, except that the DT cannot rolecheck twice in a row, and would still let the Mafia kill 6 people for the time being. Then on the third night, the Mafia/fake DT would have a chance of being discovered if two DTs do the same check to be sure. However, doing so could reveal the real DT if they collaborate together and then the Mafia will target the real DT. We could then lynch the Mafia/fake DT if the evidence is conclusive enough, though it's possible that they could also make a lucky guess in checking people, and continue on another day. Secondly, if the Mafia officer claims DT and says he's doing cluechecks instead, the same thing would happen with the rolecheck above - there's no way to confirm the word that the officer actually IS a DT without outside collaboration, which would threaten to expose any other DTs we have. If we have the case that the officer actually IS DT, then for all of the reasoning above it would be dangerous to trust him 100%. In other words, it would be extremely advantageous for us to have a DT in office, but it would be extremely suspicious for them to roleclaim that publicly. Privately will be a different story, but even then I would be suspicious. Lastly, keep in mind that the Mafia are actively trying to figure out whatever OUR roles are, and they have a better chance in guessing Townie over a blue role. If in the first case they decided to not let another Mafia take the fall, they have a good chance of hitting a Townie by guessing, and again we would have to wait until Night 3/Day 4 for a double DT confirmation to be sure. It would be advantageous, yes, to have a DT in office, and I would think an active DTs would have had the thought cross their mind, even if they didn't decide to do it. I just don't think they would roleclaim so soon. This is all off the top of my head and someone could (and should try to) find holes in my logic. Day 2 clues should give us a better idea of who to lynch. I think the remaining DTs should rolecheck the election candidates - whomever they can or mistrust.
The thing with this, is that Mafia won't roleclaim DT publicly. If some one roleclaims DT publicly then we can expect them to be lynched by the mafia. So that means if a mafia member role claims DT publicly and doesn't get lynched, that person must be a mafia. There's no way a DT will survive if he openly says he's a DT.
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On January 23 2010 10:39 Iaaan wrote:
But for the electoral roles shockeyy, they have protection from the mafia.
That's if EVEN a mafia was elected as a electoral role. And I really doubt that. I feel like the people we have at the moment aren't mafia, or detective.
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On January 23 2010 11:36 Iaaan wrote:
I'm happy that you feel like that, but I'm sure you can understand if we consider the all the possibilities and don't just trust blindly.
I understand of course, that's why I said, "I feel."
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On January 23 2010 12:04 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Oh...and I think you are too for defending him....You would know if he was mafia.....and naturally defend him...
Xelin wants to get rid of quickstriker because he's active...and retarded....
I highly suspect them both, but only because of that....Screw that bandwagon...
Nice to have back up.
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On January 23 2010 13:27 XeliN wrote:
I originally posted this just to RoyW but as it is the spirit of sharing and tbh would like to get this out there for all to see then...
Can't tell you how happy I am that there is at least one person that realises that It's clear I'm not Mafia.
PM is not rlly to do with this game, in all honesty I think the mafia are gonna win this which is annoying, but thanks for the support
Hopefully there are others who haven't posted but will come to the same conclusion.
Thought i might let you know out of all the people I have accused here is how I would rank my suspicion
1. Dozko, I literally have no doubts on him, if he is not Mafia then my god he is very dumb
2. Quickstriker, I am less certain about him but only compared to Dozko, this is only because I am still laying alot of emphasis on the "quick attack" clue. I think the clue is significant but also his posting has seemed very mafia like altho more subtle and toned down than Dozko
3. Shockeyy, I am kinda compelled to lump him with QuickStriker, he seems like Quickstrikers cheerleader and the only situation I can see whereby he is innocent is either if
A) he is friends qith quickstriker before this game and quick has managed to persuade him he is innocent and thereby gain his support OR I am wrong on Quickstriker even though both his posts and the clue itself are very suspicious and thus missed the mark completely on both of them
This seems unlikely though and tbh i think all three are red
Also out of the two people who have been elected I am far more suspicious of Tree.hugger than cresentia although it is possible they are both mafia.
For tree.hugger to completely ignore//miss the significance of what i kinda offered, which is essentially that I am happy to die as long as when it transpires I am Green that the town then take action against others is kinda telling
The only reason as to why I back up QuickStriker is because, he actually wants us to win. What kind of mafia would start posting things to help us win. He was the only one that actually did something in the beginning of the game. As to well, you already trying to lynch him, even though he had done nothing to you.
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:O! Oh my god, WHEN WILL IT BE MORNING?
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On January 24 2010 04:08 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2010 04:04 ShoCkeyy wrote:
:O! Oh my god, WHEN WILL IT BE MORNING? When the sun rises.
Lol, I know that you sly dog.
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On January 24 2010 04:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
He was stopped partway by a man with a long blade. Raising his rifle to shoot the man, he watched almost hypnotically as the man performed some odd formations in the air with his blade. When the blade finished moving, toplexa dropped dead.
!!!! I Think I know who may be a mafia. I will be right back.
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On January 25 2010 05:39 decafchicken wrote:
I think quickstriker could be mafia going off the clues, but at the same time referencing "quick" in both days seems too easy...or is it? Rest of the clues i have no fuck about, so i'll probably end up voting for quickstriker, and double voting for the next highest number of votes on a person if enough people are double lynching.
You follower, I really suspect you being a mafia. First you lie when you join the game, On January 20 2010 04:52 decafchicken wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2010 04:48 Ace wrote:
I think this game is almost all new players, or at least 75% are. The game you linked was quite complex but yea you'll get the gist of Mafia reading that.
The wikipedia article is also a great source of basic information. i've never played before!
But, I don't have enough evidence yet to say this with a 100% sureness. Another person I really think might be fishball. Since both of you show up at random times. Not only that, fishball is the only person with a Dark Templar in his name. If you guys have ever watched that SC2 trailer with the DT jumping and doing somersaults all over the place, it reminds me of the clues that they left for us. Not only that DT's have blades.
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On January 25 2010 10:38 no_re wrote:
References to "long" weapons also made me think of VelkanKnight as Knights often have a lance when jousting.
The only thing is, I doubt a knight can do flips in the air, lol.
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On January 25 2010 09:48 dozko wrote:
But then again fishball's clue digging on other members is well creative so its hard to incriminate him.
So? What if he's digging these clues so he can just slide under our noses? What if these clues lead us to killing townies. I only agree with royw, cause him and xelin are my top suspcious people.
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And ever since XeliN has been called out plenty of times, he just stops posting. And now we rarely see him posting.
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On January 26 2010 01:23 no_re wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2010 00:04 dozko wrote:
Why is everyone suddenly switching to Xelin without posting any reasons in here? mafia coordinated attack? :o
There's actually a lot of reasons as to why he's a mafia. You just have to look through the thread.
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On January 26 2010 09:35 johnnyspazz wrote:
damn its a shame we lynched another non-mafia, i was pretty sure softer was mafia too
Well it just brings us closer to a mafia.
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