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citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
January 28 2010 13:23 GMT
#1602
The evidence is there for all to see, all you can do is stall / make slightly more work for me to write a long post. This is like flying your cc and barracks around, instead of typing gg already. Tonight you will fall to 4 people, and after the next lynching to 2 known mafia members.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
January 28 2010 15:03 GMT
#1603
On January 28 2010 14:51 Mystlord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2010 14:35 citi.zen wrote:
Nikoner, Phrujbaz, keit, Hyperbola and Mystlord, please stand up.

GG guys.

Reasoning? I'm interested.


Ok, let me answer this with respect to you.

1. Strong clue link - look at the freaking picture:

On January 27 2010 06:45 Ng5 wrote:
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Left by himself, Faronel was starting to feel nervous as he saw his comrades leaving one by one and not returning. "Guys?" he called, sounding torn between trying to keep his voice down and wanting it to carry. "Where are you?" Nothing answered him but the faint rustle of the grass. Unnerved by the eerie appearance of the cemetery at night, Faronel decided that he should leave. He had only gone a few steps, however, when someone tapped on his shoulder. Automatically, he turned to look and saw a large fist descending toward his head. He barely dodged out of the way in time. His attacker let out a loud, barbaric bellow and charged at him. Backing quickly toward the cemetery gates, Faronel tried to fend him off as best he could. But he wasn't nearly strong enough to fight off his attacker, who picked him up bodily and smashed his head repeatedly against a gravestone until he died. Dropping his limp body to the ground, his attacker then pawed through Faronel's pockets, searching for food, before he trudged off into the night.


Wait a minute...

I don't know much about wrestling, but... Someone could look into it. A wrestler! It's usual in wrestling to grab the other's face trying to hit them to solid objects, no? Or some kind of modern-age gladiator 'reality show'? There was also one with... Bucket heads and blunt objects trying to push each other off of planks into water, no? It could fit the... Geez.

It could fit the PAIL! There was this gladiator or what show. They had bucket-helmets like those from rugby and they tried to kick each other off of planks (pails) into water or nets or whatever.

And then there's the wrestler thing. It could be two mafia members, but both worth researching I think.

With keywords like... Sledgehammer... Barbaric... Or animalistic?

Again it takes a lot of strength to grab someone by the head...

Wait... I just google image findered Mystlord and what did it drop right off the bat?

Mystlord

Hammer.

Bucket helm.

Even if the post wasn't made by a user called Mystlord. It was dropped to a Mystlord search.


2. Shady posting behavior from the start, which got a LOT worse in the past 2 days. After my post on page 74 you should have read the writing on the wall and given up on DrH. The same goes for your mafia team-mates - sadly you guys just fell apart. After the votes/evidence started to pile in, you STILL argued. You bring up repeatedly the supposed "solution" of lynching keit first to "prove" DrH is not red. Even freaking DrH had given up at that point man - he stopped posting because he knew it was over! Even after that, you continue to claim we should not double-lynch, using nonsensical arguments and pointing fingers at the same players DrH obsessively attacked for many days now. Give me a break - this is not even subtle. I don't have the patience to copy/paste - anyone interested read from page 74 onwards.

You are getting vigilante hit tonight. GG man, I feel there wasn't anything you could do, the entire team strategy lost you the game.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
January 28 2010 15:13 GMT
#1604
On January 28 2010 15:30 meeple wrote:
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On January 28 2010 15:27 Jugan wrote:
On January 28 2010 14:35 citi.zen wrote:
Nikoner, Phrujbaz, keit, Hyperbola and Mystlord, please stand up.

GG guys.


I believe you are wrong on all counts.


keit?


Yes, keit. Let us track the mafia's attitude towards him in this game.

The first mention of keit, after the day 1 clues, comes from our now deceased bodyguard (cheers buddy):

On January 20 2010 12:24 blue_arrow wrote:
I glanced through everybody's profiles as well, and I can confirm with DH that there are no obvious references to monkeys. Although, I couldn't find anything relating to apples or cooked pigs.

But while scrolling through everyone's profiles, on a completely off-the-side thinking, and continuing with my possibly-incorrect golden monkeys, I'm begining to suspect keit.

Here are my reasons:
-keit has a bunch of pictures of the cookie monster in his profile
-the golden monkey was thought to be a subspecies of Blue Monkey
-the cookie monster has always reminded me of a monkey (albeit tailess, blue, and on crack)
-blue monkeys and golden monkeys eat fruit, possibly referring to apples, although i'm pretty sure apples aren't part of these monkey's normal diets
-the cookie monster eats his food by shoving it down his throat quickly and violently

of course, this is all speculation on my part. Objectively speaking, I myself believe this 'analysis' isn't very convincing given the degree of speculation.


Who responds to this man's reasonable accusation? Surprise!!! The very next post is from DrH. Now, if keit was not mafia, DrH would at least accept that there is a possible connection there. Instead, he says this:

On January 20 2010 12:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
The cookie monster isn't a monkey

and he eats cookies not fruit. the cookie monster reminds me more of a retarded bear or something


Um... yeah, retarded bear alright.

Later on, DrH starts to feel the heat. Knowing full well DrH has left too much of a paper trail, the mafia tries desperately to build a strong alibi for him and decides to sacrifice keit. So suddenly, the entire team starts to claim that either DrH is red or keit is red. After all, they have been attacking each other. Fail.

keit is mafia.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
January 28 2010 15:14 GMT
#1605
Please don't make me write any more posts like this... you're just flying lifted buildings around the map. Graciously say gg guys.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
January 28 2010 15:16 GMT
#1606
Oh, I didn't even go into the clue links to keit - they are just too obvious. Also, for Mystlord, I forgot to mention the eye'm the strongest quote. And many other things.

There is just too much information pointing to the mafia now.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
January 28 2010 17:24 GMT
#1607
Since our mafia guys continue to be silent (I guess at this point they have said enough/nothing left to argue), I'll cover the rest of the list sometime today as well. That way, if I get lynched tonight it will not matter one iota.

Hyperbola

1. Clue link: please review his profile pictures, then read this:

Walking home from the post-election celebration, a slightly tipsy blue_arrow was whistling tunelessly to himself in the violet dusk. After a block or two, he noticed the sound of someone shuffling behind him. Though unnerved, he tried to shrug it off and started walking faster. The shuffling did not speed up in response, and blue_arrow felt safer the further he walked from his follower. As the streetlamps flickered on one by one, he took a quick peek behind him. One glimpse of his follower's frightening appearance was enough to clear his mind and convince him the Mafia was after him. Blue_arrow took off running. Sweat dripped off his forehead and fear spurred him to achieve near-Olympian speed as he sprinted for his life. He flew past several blocks in a few minutes, but always he could hear his attacker plodding relentlessly after him. Finally, the exhausted blue_arrow slumped against a lamppost, so worn out by his headlong dash that he couldn't move another step. All he could do was watch with mounting dread as his entirely unperturbed attacker caught up to blue_arrow and strangled him to death.


2. Forum posts

First mention of him as a suspect - our Mayor:

On January 20 2010 12:58 meeple wrote:
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On January 20 2010 12:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On January 20 2010 12:45 [NyC]HoBbes wrote:
On January 20 2010 12:40 meeple wrote:
If anyone knows alternate meanings of names that could be of significance, you should state them. Just in case other people don't know them. For example:

Ng5 could be construed as a chess movement reference


Ng5 as a chess movement could suggest calculating/cold


If that would put Ng5 under suspicion, then what about ghote? I google the name after seeing the beatle lyrics in his profile (possible reference to Apple) and Ghote is a detective in a series of novels. A detective would have that sort of calculating/cold nature, and there is also the possibility of the apple reference pointing to him.


I think those types of classifications are too vague... Hyperbola is a math term, so that could be construed as cold and calculating as well.


Guess who wrote the very next post? Why, the ever-present DrH of course! This is what he tells us:

On January 20 2010 13:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
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On January 20 2010 12:58 meeple wrote:
On January 20 2010 12:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On January 20 2010 12:45 [NyC]HoBbes wrote:
On January 20 2010 12:40 meeple wrote:
If anyone knows alternate meanings of names that could be of significance, you should state them. Just in case other people don't know them. For example:

Ng5 could be construed as a chess movement reference


Ng5 as a chess movement could suggest calculating/cold


If that would put Ng5 under suspicion, then what about ghote? I google the name after seeing the beatle lyrics in his profile (possible reference to Apple) and Ghote is a detective in a series of novels. A detective would have that sort of calculating/cold nature, and there is also the possibility of the apple reference pointing to him.


I think those types of classifications are too vague... Hyperbola is a math term, so that could be construed as cold and calculating as well.


Maybe. The apple reference is what stood out to me the most, so I think I just really want to connect that to something. Although it definitely is, something.

The StimiLant/Tea connection seems the most solid to me though.


Right, my mistake there are other stronger clues. Lets move it along then, since we next have Hyperbola's only "real" attempt to solev the mystery. Check out the high powered arguments he finds, many days into the game:

On January 21 2010 03:34 Hyperbola wrote:
Hello everybody, how's it going. As there are no real viable suspects to lynch yet I have decided to compile some clues I was thinking about:

1. “The killer blocked Kennigit's blade with an apple that had had fallen out of the refrigerator and swiftly proceeded to shove the remains of the apple down Kennigit's throat before throwing him out the window.”

This clue in particular caught my eye. Something of importance along the lines of an apple, forbidden fruit maybe? Anyways... possible suspects:

skronch - Really no other reason than his name. As he does not have any text or images in his profile, his name is the only thing that could be used as a clue. And “skronch” sounds like the sound one makes when eating the apple.

The_Master – A little weak but blocking a knife attack with a fruit and then killing the assailant with it takes a lot of skill. Besides his name, his quote is: “[CPL]Master on team Prodigies!”



2. “Two newcomers strode inside.”

This one I actually have a firm belief on.

Abenson – His profile text.
+ Show Spoiler +
Hello!
I'm Abenson, an E-/D-/D zerg player who just started playing Starcraft December 2009... I'm actually a noob, so please bear with me if I ask stupid questions or seems inexperienced :D

Note: Iccup ID: xNoobZerg


This seems to suggest that he is very new at the game, a newcomer.



3. “With that, he launched himself forward at the three town leaders, lifting his fists and taunting them with strange barbaric noises.”

citi.zen
– I don't mean to infringe on anyone's campaign but his quote: Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam. Sounds like someone babbling something nonsensical. I wasn't able to find a translation so correct me if I'm wrong.

StimiLant – Again, not much to work with in his profile. Sounds like the person screaming was using stimulants?



4. “The second Mafia member glared at Qatol in disgust and contempt. "Vile, dirty scum," he muttered, shuddering.”

meeple – This one is a bit of long shot
+ Show Spoiler +
A marine approached a hooker
Who had once been quite the looker
(Well before a thousand took her),
"Carnal bride,
On the planet of Tarsonis,
Whores are known to earn a bonus
If they cast protection's onus
Far aside."

That pecuniary offer
From the horny private's coffer
Held appeal. She let him boff her
Very long.
In their frenzied copulation,
She released an infestation
On his dong.

Once their sex was interrupted
With his manmeat thus corrupted,
Sunken colonies erupted
At its base.
The marine observed his error
With a look of pallid terror
On his face.

Having waived his sole protection,
He was led by his erection
By the Swarm, in the direction
Of his watch.
Twenty soldiers of his nation
Perished in precise formation
To the massive conflagration
From his crotch.

Should you seek a lady's graces,
Plasma-shield your nether places,
Sheath your psi blades, cast a stasis
On your probe.
If you can't resist temptation,
Just resort to masturbation.
Don't disrobe.

The poem in the profile briefly focuses on an old prostitute that infested the marine's cock.

That's all I got. I think we should really come to a decision soon though.


Poor guy can't even find a translation of my profile quote! I am sure he tried to google it, read previous posts trying to find anything about it and so on, he must have tried to click that damn wikipedia page explaining the quote. Unfortunately he came up with NOTHING, so naturally the whole thing sounds nonsensical and barbaric. Good solid find, worth posting together with the other gems!

Now, at the time, I read his big post and scratched my head. Guess who tried to 'splain it to me:

On January 21 2010 04:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2010 03:58 789 wrote:
I think we need to go more into outter space. I accuse myself ... let's see uh... there number of victims last night was 3, and there are 3 numbers in my name. That's concrete proof that I'm mafia, lynch me up boys.

But yeah, whoever the mayor ends up being doesn't have much to go on for the first lynching. Hopefully day 2 will have some nice clues for us.


lol. well, the mayor will go with whoever fits best. I'd say that is hobbes at this point, maybe stimilant.

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On January 21 2010 03:57 citi.zen wrote:
Waw, going back over your post Hyperbola I find nothing useful there! You leave out important things others already said and seem to go on these side-lines without any apparent reason. I mean, after all the conversations we've had, for bad guy one you offer this:

skronch - Really no other reason than his name. As he does not have any text or images in his profile, his name is the only thing that could be used as a clue. And “skronch” sounds like the sound one makes when eating the apple.

The_Master – A little weak but blocking a knife attack with a fruit and then killing the assailant with it takes a lot of skill. Besides his name, his quote is: “[CPL]Master on team Prodigies!”


I am puzzled.


I think he's trying to add new speculation rather than pontificate on old ones. We've already said about everything there is to say about hobbes/ghote/etc. at this point, so it's good that he is avoiding redundancy.


Thanks DrH, that explanation really helped. Nail Hyperbola, that is.

If this is not enough read his posts after page 74... see how he reacts.

Byebye Hyperbola, you are getting 2x lynched with keit, right after Mystlord is getting vigilante hit.

Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
January 28 2010 17:34 GMT
#1611
... read keit's post right above yours.

And as I said, if you want, read everything after page 74 of the forum. Pay attention to their reaction. If you cannot figure it out I cannot help you.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
January 28 2010 17:35 GMT
#1612
gg keit, no re for sure - I would get killed day 1 by the mafia.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
January 28 2010 17:39 GMT
#1614
On January 29 2010 02:32 Jugan wrote:
So let me get this straight. You're basing your accusation of hyperbola on a short post that DrH made in attempt to look like he was analyzing and contributing? There are a multitude of better candidates at the moment than Keit and Hyperbola. You're just aggressively pointing fingers because you think you've got everything figured out, when in reality you're not looking at things objectively. You're just seeing what you want to see.


Read/comp problems much? Hyperbola states he cannot find a translation of my sig quote, and thus it sounds barbaric and nonsensical (try googling it for yourself). And he is always defended by DrH. And he defends him back. And there is a clue link.

Sorry to pick on you... I guess there just isn't anyone else left to argue with.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
January 28 2010 18:00 GMT
#1616
Jugan: please explain to me how someone would go about finding a quote translation? If you were seriously trying, what steps would you take? Since we're on the computer, a search engine makes sense, no? Yet he does not try that - or he would find 1000x the translation. What DID he try then?

He just threw together that post to try to blend in. Look at the other people he lists:

skronch - (dead now and not mafia)
The_Master - he sees a connection between “[CPL]Master on team Prodigies!” and killing someone with an apple. Solid, right?
Abenson - dead / blue
myself - (covered above - he can't find stranslation)
Stimilant - half decent at the time, but nothing since fits + DrH pretty much exhorated him in my eyes
meeple – because "The poem in the profile briefly focuses on an old prostitute that infested the marine's cock." Err?!??

This is not a person ernestly trying to interpret the clues. This is a person pretending to do so to look half-active and making sure not to incriminate other mafia.

If you cannot see this I cannot help you. In fact, I don't think anyone can.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
January 28 2010 18:20 GMT
#1619
With each additional piece of evidence I give you, you get angrier at me for being a "douche". I cannot win that conversation, so I will stop answering you.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
January 28 2010 18:24 GMT
#1623
No, no, I am nuts and a douche. And probably mafia. You're all toast.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
January 28 2010 18:30 GMT
#1628
A donkey? I love it, thanks man!
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
January 28 2010 18:32 GMT
#1630
It was really Jugan on my computer, you see.

At least now I'm not alone - you're ignorant too! How long to "donkey" status?
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
January 28 2010 19:13 GMT
#1635
I did not engage in any name-calling. I just stated facts. He got angrier with each one. Whatever.

I am out the rest of the day.

For posterity: hit mystlord; lynch keit and hyperbola.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
January 28 2010 22:47 GMT
#1643
On January 29 2010 06:04 Qatol wrote:
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On January 29 2010 05:21 Ng5 wrote:
What has priority? Vigilante's or mafia kills? What if a vigilante indeed kills a mafia member tonight. Will there be two killings or three from the mafia?

All night actions go through. So even if a vigilante kills a mafia, the mafia get 3 kills tonight. Similarly, if the mafia kill the vigilante, the vigilante still gets to use his hit, if he is using it tonight.

The other ways (applying hits either town first, mafia first, or according to when they are sent in) are unfair to one side, or unfair to players in certain time zones.


What does this mean for clues: if a mafia is killed by a vigilante, does that mafia leave behind clues that cycle?
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
January 29 2010 02:05 GMT
#1651
On January 29 2010 10:04 Jugan wrote:
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On January 29 2010 06:08 CynanMachae wrote:
Jugan, do you have better suspects than those citi.zen pointed? Maybe he hasn't said it the most correct way but it does seems to me that they are likely mafia.


Maybe? He hasn't said anything correct. Just look at his argument. It makes NO RATIONAL SENSE.


Yeah, Mystlord wasn't even a little bit guilty. Damn sheep. And Donkey. And other farm animals.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
January 29 2010 02:20 GMT
#1658
On January 29 2010 11:08 CynanMachae wrote:
Was fun, gl town


Thanks man, well played.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
January 29 2010 02:25 GMT
#1661
On January 29 2010 07:45 Mystlord wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
First off, @citi.zen: Finish up your analysis on the players you called out as "mafia". I'm still interested.

On January 29 2010 00:03 citi.zen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2010 14:51 Mystlord wrote:
On January 28 2010 14:35 citi.zen wrote:
Nikoner, Phrujbaz, keit, Hyperbola and Mystlord, please stand up.

GG guys.

Reasoning? I'm interested.


Ok, let me answer this with respect to you.

1. Strong clue link - look at the freaking picture:

Show nested quote +
On January 27 2010 06:45 Ng5 wrote:

Left by himself, Faronel was starting to feel nervous as he saw his comrades leaving one by one and not returning. "Guys?" he called, sounding torn between trying to keep his voice down and wanting it to carry. "Where are you?" Nothing answered him but the faint rustle of the grass. Unnerved by the eerie appearance of the cemetery at night, Faronel decided that he should leave. He had only gone a few steps, however, when someone tapped on his shoulder. Automatically, he turned to look and saw a large fist descending toward his head. He barely dodged out of the way in time. His attacker let out a loud, barbaric bellow and charged at him. Backing quickly toward the cemetery gates, Faronel tried to fend him off as best he could. But he wasn't nearly strong enough to fight off his attacker, who picked him up bodily and smashed his head repeatedly against a gravestone until he died. Dropping his limp body to the ground, his attacker then pawed through Faronel's pockets, searching for food, before he trudged off into the night.


Wait a minute...

I don't know much about wrestling, but... Someone could look into it. A wrestler! It's usual in wrestling to grab the other's face trying to hit them to solid objects, no? Or some kind of modern-age gladiator 'reality show'? There was also one with... Bucket heads and blunt objects trying to push each other off of planks into water, no? It could fit the... Geez.

It could fit the PAIL! There was this gladiator or what show. They had bucket-helmets like those from rugby and they tried to kick each other off of planks (pails) into water or nets or whatever.

And then there's the wrestler thing. It could be two mafia members, but both worth researching I think.

With keywords like... Sledgehammer... Barbaric... Or animalistic?

Again it takes a lot of strength to grab someone by the head...

Wait... I just google image findered Mystlord and what did it drop right off the bat?

Mystlord

Hammer.

Bucket helm.

Even if the post wasn't made by a user called Mystlord. It was dropped to a Mystlord search.


2. Shady posting behavior from the start, which got a LOT worse in the past 2 days. After my post on page 74 you should have read the writing on the wall and given up on DrH. The same goes for your mafia team-mates - sadly you guys just fell apart. After the votes/evidence started to pile in, you STILL argued. You bring up repeatedly the supposed "solution" of lynching keit first to "prove" DrH is not red. Even freaking DrH had given up at that point man - he stopped posting because he knew it was over! Even after that, you continue to claim we should not double-lynch, using nonsensical arguments and pointing fingers at the same players DrH obsessively attacked for many days now. Give me a break - this is not even subtle. I don't have the patience to copy/paste - anyone interested read from page 74 onwards.

You are getting vigilante hit tonight. GG man, I feel there wasn't anything you could do, the entire team strategy lost you the game.

1. Did you not read my post breaking down Ng5's "image search"? Furthermore, the image that comes up does not have "Mystlord" in the title. The one that comes up is further down, and it refers to the wand that Ng5 posted later, which I also argued against with no further arguments from either you or Ng5. Don't ignore posts.

2. I never argued against a double lynch. Where are you getting this one from? As for arguing for a keit lynch, ever notice how it was just me? Who are "you guys"? And honestly, neither you nor Hobbes ever argued against my point of why keit would initiate the charges against DH so early in the game, when there was no suspicion pointing towards DH? And why keit would literally shoot the mafia in the foot with that move, considering that, if I was mafia, I would rush up with a, so you say, fail argument to defend DH?

By the way, this:
Since our mafia guys continue to be silent (I guess at this point they have said enough/nothing left to argue),

Is just silly. Some of those who you accused have lives and are perhaps living on the West Coast where we're actually at school during your posts.

And while Jugan did go overboard, I would say that he did raise some valid points. Maybe not the douche part, but this:
On January 29 2010 02:46 Jugan wrote:
Some one can't find a translation for a quote in a foreign language and that's supposed to mean something? Clues aren't based on posts genius.

And you claim DrH is defending Hyperbola when he talks about the apple and implicates Keit when he doesn't even MENTION hyperbola?

I feel, has some merit.


Nice try at the last minute man, was worth the try! GG.
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Alright team, let us finish this. If you are a blue and you have not done so already, please contact me.

Now you know for sure I am not the godfather, since that was our friend Mystlord.
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