T_co, youbring this on yourself with every additional post. Also, what happened to accusing me? I am the one who called you out, not meeple or DH. Is it because you are devoting all your efforts to shedding doubt on the elected officials??? After you lost the election, that is?

Look, I have no reason now to trust anyone. However, you t_co just make nonsensical arguments and change your story every paragraph. I find it really hard to belive this is accidental, as opposed to deliberate misinformation. Either way I find you hard to work with, despite your 13 post "experience" from the red mafia.

citi.zen

2509 Posts

January 21 2010 12:53 GMT

#498

I still say Lynch.

citi.zen

2509 Posts

January 21 2010 13:29 GMT

#500

Good point on the programing, but it could fall into this theme of spreading misinformation and confusion. I still make t_co my no.1 choice, hobbes is a distant 2nd. I find it hard to reconcile the running for office with later calling for the head of the mayor, when he wasn't getting many votes. If he is an experienced and calculated player who believed that theory, why would he run in the 1st place? Why not sit back waiting to share his theory and wonderful algorythms??? I can't square it.

citi.zen

2509 Posts

January 21 2010 13:36 GMT

#502

Mind you, he didn't just try to run for office by dropping his name into the hat, he made a special banner, big speech, etc. Ever since that failed its been non-stop attacks on the officials.

citi.zen

2509 Posts

January 21 2010 13:39 GMT

#504

Yeah, if we lynched him and he turned red the clues would be less important, it would be a huge day 1 blunder by the mob. This is precisely why I think lynching him would give us a heck of a lot of info, additional to the clues.

citi.zen

2509 Posts

January 21 2010 13:45 GMT

#506

No, we do not. I guess later a lowerkp might be a clue, but now its 3 regardless.

citi.zen

2509 Posts

January 21 2010 14:09 GMT

#511

There is no drama other than what t-co manufactured after he fell behind in the voting. Whatever, vote for him, Lynch me, see what color I turn. Either way you will find out pretty important things.

citi.zen

2509 Posts

January 21 2010 16:57 GMT

#520

Lynching someone is:

a. mandatory under the rules; and
b. meant to reveal to us information we previously did not have, to help test theories, people and alliances.

Don't waste it with random killings.

citi.zen

2509 Posts

January 21 2010 17:34 GMT

#548

If t_co was lynched and then turned up green, I would think some other candidate was part of the mob. I would keep this in mind for the day 2 double lynching. This includes myself, DH, meeple, 789, Nikoner and Ng5. So one of these based on 2nd set of clues + Hobbes on day two perhaps?

If t_co turns out red on the other hand, I think magicbullet, faronel, 789 and Stimilant would have to be on the shortlist next to Hobbes. Perhaps meeple as well, since t_co has made a deliberate effort to convince us that if one of them is lynched and found guilty the other is clean - so I would want to be careful if t_co turned red.

Plenty to talk about.

citi.zen

2509 Posts

January 21 2010 18:19 GMT

#581

On January 22 2010 02:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Has anyone considered the whole possibility that the mafia doesn't even have a candidate?

We've been going on this whole shitstorm assuming someone running for office is red.

The mafia could see that and just think "well wouldn't it really fuck with them if none of us ran? They'll tear each other apart and probably end up lynching their elected candidates"

That's kind what is happening too.

Well, the mayor or sheriff cannot be role checked by a detective. Also, they can put people in jail (to silence or protect them) and they get extra votes. So it seems pretty valuable for the mob to have elected official(s).

Running with "mob support" could be easier if you can build some sort of critical mass + confusion and wait for people to bandwagon. I am not saying that is what happened, just that it would be worth a shot, if you were the mob.

Finally, removing non-mob officials from office is hard for the mob initially, because the bodyguards are alive. So if they do not get elected, the mob could have to live with an "honest" official for a while.

Just a few thoughts. Of course, there is a chance I am wrong and they were indeed very patient.

citi.zen

2509 Posts

January 21 2010 18:31 GMT

#587

789

citi.zen

2509 Posts

January 21 2010 20:13 GMT

#591

On January 22 2010 05:11 Phrujbaz wrote:
I've been thinking, how can we find confirmed innocents to help coordinate town?

Detectives can sort of confirm an innocent with a rolecheck. It could still be the godfather though.

Medics can confirm someone by saving that person.

Are there any other ways?

Good questions but not sure I have any answers. For example, the medic could inadvertently save a lynched mobster, no?

citi.zen

2509 Posts

January 21 2010 20:14 GMT

#592

Or a killed on - remember the mob can kill their own guy. If they did AND the medic saved them, they'd be in great shape.

citi.zen

2509 Posts

January 21 2010 20:26 GMT

#597

I can't wait for the first night - exciting stuff!

citi.zen

2509 Posts

January 21 2010 20:48 GMT

#601

Bah... I was about to reply, bu then realized I already did so above, and DrH clarified he was just raising a possibility, but still thought it likely a candidate was mafia.

More importantly, I need to stop talking. You all know where I stand by now.

citi.zen

2509 Posts

January 22 2010 02:28 GMT

#752

I was the primary accuser of t_co (and of Hobbes for that matter). As I stated before, I still think this was the correct lynching. Him being green makes it likely in my mind that another candidate was mafia: myself, DrH, meeple, 789.

citi.zen

2509 Posts

January 22 2010 02:43 GMT

#765

On January 22 2010 11:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

Show nested quote +

I'm starting to think that all the candidates are green/blue and that the mafia were satisfied with the disruption happening anyway. After all, why would mafia want mayor/sheriff when the town has been saying for pages now that those two people are going to be scrutinized the most?

Let's say myself/meeple/you is mafia. Any mafia member would have known t_co is green and that lynching him would cast suspicion on one of us. So I think anyone in the mafia would have either tried to convince the town not to lynch t_co (assuming the mafia has a candidate) or dropped out of the race altogether.

Is it fair to look closely at people who switched their votes TO t_co after I accused him then? Perfect cover-up move if they knew he wasn't mafia and was top of the list for being lynched, no?

citi.zen

2509 Posts

January 22 2010 14:50 GMT

#828

Detective
You have the ability to make night investigations. Once per night phase, you may PM me to ask one of the following, which I will answer:
1. Does X contain a clue? (Where X is part of a Day post) (called a "Clue Check")
2. Does X contain a clue that points to Y? (Where X is part of a Day post and Y is a player's name) (called a "Clue Check")
3. What is Y's role? (Where Y is a player's role) (called a "Role Check")

X can be no larger than one sentence.

We should try to help the detectives come up with good question ideas to ask during the night.

citi.zen

2509 Posts

January 22 2010 14:54 GMT

#829

For example, under 2. above, they could ask:

Does "With that, he launched himself forward at the three town leaders, lifting his fists and taunting them with strange barbaric noises." point to [NyC]Hobbes?

Anyone else have anything?