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Well, so coming back I find that I'm the prime suspect now (it's actually quite exciting!) though somewhat saddening as well.
Yes, the Olympic runner thing is quite strong--I agree. That picture I've chosen was specifically from the Beijing 2008 Olympics after Googling "Beijing Man"--one of my nicknames at school. I really don't have that much to say in my defense, other than point out that the Olympic reference, albeit strong, being the only thing convicting me. The people who have more free time on their hands, I would urge you to check more clues, seeing as if there is one 'solid' connection to any other person(s), that would somewhat invalidate the fact that I have one solid connection as well to being tied in with the mafia members.
Things I would like people to look into further (or stuff I will look at if I have the time / life: P)
"Walking home from the post-election celebration, a slightly tipsy blue_arrow was whistling tunelessly to himself in the violet dusk. After a block or two, he noticed the sound of someone shuffling behind him. Though unnerved, he tried to shrug it off and started walking faster. The shuffling did not speed up in response, and blue_arrow felt safer the further he walked from his follower. As the streetlamps flickered on one by one, he took a quick peek behind him. One glimpse of his follower's frightening appearance was enough to clear his mind and convince him the Mafia was after him. Blue_arrow took off running. Sweat dripped off his forehead and fear spurred him to achieve near-Olympian speed as he sprinted for his life. He flew past several blocks in a few minutes, but always he could hear his attacker plodding relentlessly after him. Finally, the exhausted blue_arrow slumped against a lamppost, so worn out by his headlong dash that he couldn't move another step. All he could do was watch with mounting dread as his entirely unperturbed attacker caught up to blue_arrow and strangled him to death."
Streetlamps are mentioned twice--first while Blue_arrow is running and second when he tires out and slumps.
Smaller and less noticeable but maybe containing clues: the "violet" dusk, the alcohol (tipsiness), and the tuneless whistling.
Furthermore, I'm aware of bandwagoning and the snowball effect, so I'm fairly certain it would be quite hard for me to change most peoples' minds, seeing as how most of the active posters (and mayor and sheriff, darn this town is stacked against me) are against me. Being as such that I won't be back until 8:30 p.m. tomorrow from the Duke tournament, I won't have much time to defend myself between now and then.
All in all, if you want to lynch me next--go ahead. Tritely put, I'll turn up green. (And it would really suck to be the miller my first game.) It's been very interesting reading what everybody has put up and I do not believe I am the most active, probably having only around 20 posts on this thread at this point.
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On January 23 2010 14:27 meeple wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2010 14:23 flamewheel91 wrote:
Well, so coming back I find that I'm the prime suspect now (it's actually quite exciting!) though somewhat saddening as well.
Yes, the Olympic runner thing is quite strong--I agree. That picture I've chosen was specifically from the Beijing 2008 Olympics after Googling "Beijing Man"--one of my nicknames at school. I really don't have that much to say in my defense, other than point out that the Olympic reference, albeit strong, being the only thing convicting me. The people who have more free time on their hands, I would urge you to check more clues, seeing as if there is one 'solid' connection to any other person(s), that would somewhat invalidate the fact that I have one solid connection as well to being tied in with the mafia members.
Things I would like people to look into further (or stuff I will look at if I have the time / life: P)
"Walking home from the post-election celebration, a slightly tipsy blue_arrow was whistling tunelessly to himself in the violet dusk. After a block or two, he noticed the sound of someone shuffling behind him. Though unnerved, he tried to shrug it off and started walking faster. The shuffling did not speed up in response, and blue_arrow felt safer the further he walked from his follower. As the streetlamps flickered on one by one, he took a quick peek behind him. One glimpse of his follower's frightening appearance was enough to clear his mind and convince him the Mafia was after him. Blue_arrow took off running. Sweat dripped off his forehead and fear spurred him to achieve near-Olympian speed as he sprinted for his life. He flew past several blocks in a few minutes, but always he could hear his attacker plodding relentlessly after him. Finally, the exhausted blue_arrow slumped against a lamppost, so worn out by his headlong dash that he couldn't move another step. All he could do was watch with mounting dread as his entirely unperturbed attacker caught up to blue_arrow and strangled him to death."
Streetlamps are mentioned twice--first while Blue_arrow is running and second when he tires out and slumps.
Smaller and less noticeable but maybe containing clues: the "violet" dusk, the alcohol (tipsiness), and the tuneless whistling.
Furthermore, I'm aware of bandwagoning and the snowball effect, so I'm fairly certain it would be quite hard for me to change most peoples' minds, seeing as how most of the active posters (and mayor and sheriff, darn this town is stacked against me) are against me. Being as such that I won't be back until 8:30 p.m. tomorrow from the Duke tournament, I won't have much time to defend myself between now and then.
All in all, if you want to lynch me next--go ahead. Tritely put, I'll turn up green. (And it would really suck to be the miller my first game.) It's been very interesting reading what everybody has put up and I do not believe I am the most active, probably having only around 20 posts on this thread at this point. If not yourself... then who?
At this point, I am not sure, which is why I am not making that big of a point to defend myself. Logic is rewarded in this game, even if it turns out to false, and I haven't had but 15 minutes to read everything and start to look for clues.
Considering the day is 48 hours though, I want to ask people to at least hold off on their decisive choice until later on.
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On January 23 2010 14:25 meeple wrote:Kane:
And this is not as strong of a correlation?
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Things for people to consider:
1) Bodyguard was sniped. Now, that could be attributed to a lucky shot. Or, could it be something else? Who knows the identities of the bodyguards? Could that play a part in the death of Blue_arrow?
2) As "solid" (oh man I'm so sarcastic with these words) as the connection of plodding <=> tredmasta is, once again it is one clue (just as there was one clue pointing to me). Once again, I'd advocate being totally objective and not just go crazy on that. If we do believe clues are pertinent, our detective(s) (hoping there were more than two...) should be using their clue checks if they already haven't. Lay off on the PMs, since that seemed to get Bill Murray killed, and I would say we should probably get a rolecheck used, since right now they may be more beneficial than later in the game, where the chance of striking the godfather is much higher. Also, DTs should use them before they die (RIP Bill.)
3) Meeple's picture of kane has me (somewhat) sold. Pots and hammers make for a pretty odd killing outfit, and both seem to fit the clue, as well as whatever random tie-in to kane]deth[ was made on the first day. I will be investigating.
4) Being the defendant, I am immediately suspicious of those who just bandwagoned/called for the double lynch. StimiLant and ghote have been pretty inactive as far as I can remember, and both just recently popped up either calling for my head or for the double lynch.
I would like to call out ghote, since he has been one of (many) of my primary "antagonists."
On page 49, he commentates on the Olympic reference:
"i say we use a double lynch and take both flamewheel91 and Hobbes
Hobbes comes up with obvious connections to the clues left behind, and i believe that the profile picture for flamewheel91 fits in very well with the first set of clues, (Olympian)(the man is a runner, or a track and field athlete)
i find these two people to be prime candidates for lynching, and with the heavy loses we had on night one we need to take a strike back at the mafia today"
Which is to say, he has read what people have been saying about the one clue leading to me. However, on the next page he immediately says:
Ghote writes, on page 50:
"there have been multiple clues leading to flamewheel and hobbes as long as one of them is lynched our lives will be better,"
Seeing as how there's been one such clue leading to me, I challenge you to find another one in the text. Sounds like you're just on the wagon.
Furthermore, on page 49 he iterates:
"well regardless of the actions of Bill we need to decide who to lynch today"
As I and others have noted, there are 48 hours to decide on who to lynch. Why so hasty?
Next, StimiLant--has been accused himself, really hasn't defended, nobody has really followed up on that. Resurfaces to call for the double lynch and to call for lynching me. I will be checking your trail.
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On January 23 2010 15:02 StimiLant wrote:
alright flamewheel your rebuddle makes a lot of sense and i hate to be fickle but i will abstain till later, as for me mafia? dude seriously if ur green then i am also green seriously.
I never said you were mafia--other people have. What I was saying is that there is an inconclusive posting trail that has been left by/for you. Perhaps you are green and just inactive (like I somewhat am). I thank you for showing some sense though in this last post rather than just continuing to scream for my head.
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On January 23 2010 15:05 meeple wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2010 15:02 StimiLant wrote:
alright flamewheel your rebuddle makes a lot of sense and i hate to be fickle but i will abstain till later, as for me mafia? dude seriously if ur green then i am also green seriously. The tea -> Stimulated link is probably one of the weakest
And as we've all said, most day 1 links are thought to be pretty weak. Even the "strongest" one linking Hobbes to mafia isn't that strong overall.
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Meeple--is this last post directed at me? From context, I'm going to assume no but I'd like to make sure.
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On January 23 2010 15:14 ghote wrote:
flamewheel for one "there have been multiple clues leading to flamewheel and hobbes as long as one of them is lynched our lives will be better" there have been multiple clues to flamewheel and Hobbes, please read the whole quote next time you come at me with this kind of accusation.
there is only one quote leading to you, i have not stated otherwise, it is the fact that this one clue is so resounding with aspects of your profile that i have strong beliefs that you are ether mafia, or a miller, it is the safe bet to go with the first option.
secondly if you look back at some of my previous posts on day 1 i have advocated for the lynch of Hobbes so using the argument of bandwagoning on this double lynch is purely based upon your speculation.
(and i ment today as in game days not right this minuet ^^)
all in all i believe that you are linked directly to the clue left behind in this murder, and because of that correlation, you deserve to be lynched
And for you: please type what you mean then as to not confuse other people. Furthermore, if you have so strongly advocated for the lynching of Hobbes since day 1 then why do you cease and desist on calling for his lynching THEN for the double lynching the next day?
I would be very pleased if you could find me some more evidence as to why I am mafia, since you seem so deadset against me being innocent. If you can find more proof (which I would find highly unlikely) that isn't oh-so-flimsy.
And since I've cleared up my confusion with meeples' post:
On January 23 2010 15:20 meeple wrote:
I'm not saying flamewheel isn't mafia... but there are other ways for those clues to be interpreted...
Some of the people here aren't really looking at the clues before deciding what to do... The fact that you came out so strongly for it immediately after DrH suggested it is somewhat suspicious that you're just following his lead instead of thinking for yourself.
Since you have come up with nothing original, you are still a bandwagoner, which pretty much means that any rational person would not place a lot of weight on your judgment. As you've stated, you have not found any other clue leading to me. I would assume that if one such as yourself were so strongly convinced that I am mafia, you would at least try to pull more information on me to make your posts more credible.
All in all being said, I leave this post with one last thought:
At this point, it can be viewed as "suspicious" that you so suddenly jump upon to agree with the good Doctor about me. Now, if I were somebody else I may be like "omg you teh mafia cuz u tryin to incite stuff!!!1!!" but I will not until I have firmly rooted my thinking in logic. What I mean by that is, I have nothing against you.
THREE HOURS FLASH V JAEDONG YAY YAY YAY.
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Thinking 3-1 Flash, hoping 3-1/2 Jaedong. Since if Flash wins, we're like OH DARN BONJWA OF BONJWAS and then everything just becomes a one-sided pwnfest.
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Oh and by three I mean one point five.
Hmmm I can't do math.
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Though he was essentially blanketing the field with these accusations, not really providing any new insight.
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JD GAME ONE HOLY NUTS RINES DIE LIKE BUTTER.
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On January 23 2010 21:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'll post what I think of all of this tomorrow. I'm too upset right now to even think or read or do anything at all.
I'm with you... incredibly sorry for both Flash and Jaedong.
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Again to all players:
I am gone for the next 12 hours to a debate tournament. Therefore, consider me not defending myself (though I think I've done that well enough on previous pages) is not me "copping out."
See you at 8:00 p.m. EST.
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On January 24 2010 13:42 789 wrote:
Well we have three categories.
1) Clues and active, but not defending themselves. Hobbes from day 1 killer 1 would fit into this category. He's posted some, but never tried to defend himself in any real way. I would say the clues aren't that strong on him though. I'm not sure I think about his behavior. He may be playing it safe and to not incriminate himself or just knows there is nothing he can really say. He hasn't really contributed much or defended himself which is a bit odd.
2) Clues and defended self. Flamewheel falls into this category. He hasn't really been that active until he was brought up as a possible suspect. I think that is a little bit suspicious myself. There is still the possibility that he is just trying to honestly defense himself.
3) Clues and inactive. Treadmasta(spelling?) and kane fall into this category. Hard to gauge these. They could be lurking mafia or green/blues. Or just simply not participating.
I admit my behavior can be construed as suspicious, seeing as how I have become suddenly "active" after becoming accused. However, would you not defend? Furthermore, I have a pretty busy school schedule--which in itself doesn't say anything.
Logically speaking though, 789, is it more effective to lynch somebody who does not ever defend themselves? Hobbes has been accused multiple times and has gotten away without defending himself due to extenuating circumstances: t_co causing drama, night 1 killings, etc.
On January 24 2010 13:58 789 wrote:
I'm not quite sure yet. Flamewheel's olympic link is pretty decent and his behavior is at least a little suspicious. I think him and Kane have the strongest clue links. The problem with the Kane clue ... maybe I went fishing and found something completely unrelated that the writer didn't know about by luck. Then again I can't think of anything that remotely fits that. They both hurt equally bad if they flip blue, but I think flamewheel will hurt more if he flips green. He's at least proven that he does participate by defending himself. I am still leaning towards kane, but I feel less confident about the decision as time goes by.
The fact that I have been able to analytically and logically defend myself should say something more about my worth as a player, I feel.
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On January 24 2010 14:28 ghote wrote:
Hobbes is still a prime suspect, due to the clues from days one and two (in specific the part in day two about the "wild animal" )
Then am I still your top suspect, ghote? Have you happened to find anymore information on me yet?
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On January 24 2010 14:29 789 wrote:
While I said your behavior might be a little suspicious, I still have kane #1 on my list for what it's worth. Also I agee with your second point, which is why I said it would hurt more if you flipped green.
And if you're accused, 789, by the same token it will seem suspicious if your posting activity rises in order to save your own life. But I thank you for your logical follow through--I am still strongly protesting my lynching by the rest of the bandwagoners out there.
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Oh okay, I haven't checked the voting thread in a while.
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On January 24 2010 15:47 JohannesH wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2010 15:31 Ser Aspi wrote:
We absolutely cannot go with clues. A much safer thing would be to see who we are accusing on clues and declare them innocent. That's how little clues mean right now.
Mafia often seem to try to hide in da shadows while the town goes crazy with clues and accuses the people who are in the open the most like t_co. unfortunately they almost always kill innocents while doing so. We should be targeting the people on the fringes above all else.
I think that instead of going crazy on clues we should force the people who are not really contributing to step up or die. Zona had the right idea before but he drowned out by the clue posts. I'll start.
Hyperbola
Cynanmachae
JohannesH
Ghote
i don't trust any of you. All of you are sitting aside quietly not helping at all. Better start contributing or your red blood will fly. Everyone help contribute so we can get good information. <3 But gotta agree that clues mostly distract us at this point, we might get lucky and hit a gangsta but thats pretty unlikely to me - and even if we get them that way, we cant really connect them to other mafiamen with that method. I would take under suspicion anyone who votes for a double lynch, either they are mafia trying to cut the townie count faster & save themselves from it at later date, or just really stupid which isnt desirable either.
So stupid = trying to get rid of an extra mafia member? However unlikely at this point, it's not considered "stupid," especially since you don't know how the detectives are working at this point.
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Read everything.
Will defend myself in a few hours, though I feel like I've said what I need to say. No new evidence has been brought up against me.
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