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On January 21 2010 04:46 t_co wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2010 04:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
also 5 out of 66? i believe there are 34 players My mistake. Still, the point is, rushing to ask people to lynch off the voices of a substantial minority and 1 day's worth of clues is kind of suicidal. It takes 2 points to draw a line, after all. With 4 mafia clues per day and only 8 mafia total, it shouldn't take that long for more mafia clues to pile up that point us in a better direction. Cruel as it may sound, the first day lynch matters little in the long run, because the town is still at 34 members and the mafia only at 8, which means there is a substantial margin of error available to us.
I guess you lost me: 1st paragraph is saying "lets not rush with the lynching"; 2nd paragraph says "we have a substantial error margin".
Am I reading it wrong?
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That's what I am trying to understand, it seems he is making two opposing arguments.
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I've decided to keep any as-of-yet unreferenced clues in a separate, un-posted file. Otherwise it will make life hard on the writers of the story.
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So you can change your vote as long as you lie about the reason for doing so :-)
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When someone does a role check... are the results are announced publicly on the forum?
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On January 21 2010 06:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
No.
And the detective can't just come out and say "derp im a detective and i rolechecked Ng5 and yeah he's mafia."
1. Why should the town believe him? He could be mafia trying to divert attention away from a real mafia member.
2. If he is a real detective, the mafia will probably kill him that night.
I guess wondered whether an update would be posted by admins recapping who was investigated and so on. I guess not much new info coming out for a while!
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On January 21 2010 06:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Well, that's why we need to make sure the mayor goes along with the town consensus.
Also, a mafia mayor may do that, since mafia killpower will still be 3 regardless of whether there are 6 or 7 mafia left.
What does a KP of 3 mean anyway? Mob gets to kill 3 people per night?
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We've sort of agreed that the mayor will lynch the consensus pick or face massive suspicion. This limits their ability to play the lynching card, regardless of whether they are mafia or not. The immunity they gain, on the other hand, is important.
At any rate, I offered my opinions for this round, voted in the election, I guess time to lay back until more information is forthcoming.
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Let me throw this out there: we all agree an elected position benefits the mob, if they can get it. Also, the mob is organized and know each other, so they are likely to pre-determine who will run from their camp.
So my conjecture is this: one and only one of the candidates is a mobster.
So far the candidates are: myself, DoctorH, meeple, 789 and t_co. I think one of us, and only one, is a mobster.
PS: I also realize that I am an idiot for continuing to offer my best guesses to the public: if these guesses are right, the mob will kill me to get rid of a troublesome player. Who else would they go for? If I am wrong, I will move to the top of the list for getting lynched by the town, since I argued my points clearly and strongly and got innocent people killed (say... [NyC]Hobbes gets lynched but turns out to be innocent this round - who would you all blame?!?).
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Another logical note: t_co rolled out his campaign with his fancy banner and big promises. Then he saw he was losing the vote, so he started to argue we kill the elected officials, whoever they are. Who honestly thinks he would have made the same argument if he had the lead in the voting? This cannot be blamed on something he only realized AFTER he submitted his candidacy, he himself bragged about "prior experience" with mafia games, so if "killing officials regardless" is a dominant strategy, he would likely have been aware of it from previous games, and would not have entered his name in the election!
t_co moved to the top of my suspect list.
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I can easily give you a 4 suspect list as well... t_co is at the head of it and Hobbes has not been exonerated in any way.
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t_co is now at the top of my lynching list, without hesitation. Feronel is no. 2 - he voted for t_co and his only post (as far as I can tell) supports the suggesting to kill the mayor, now that t_co lost the election. Hobbes is no. 3 on my list, based on clues. magicbullet and 789 are also suspect, to a lesser degree but certainly there. They voted for t_co as well, and yesterday I made this note:
On January 20 2010 14:16 citi.zen wrote:
How about this: one of Qatol's quotes is: "guns make you stupid." We have a player called magicbullet - who could resent that and call him vile, dirty scum.
Who thinks I will not survive the night???
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Look at this:
On January 20 2010 17:14 t_co wrote:My Fellow Liquidians, We face the threat of extermination. Within our ranks, there lurks members whose sole driving focus is to kill us all (and hopefully leave a few clues behind). Individually, all we are armed with is our wits. That will not be enough, for our enemy strikes unseen while we must cast our votes openly. The answer is trust. We must learn to trust one another even as we fight an unseen enemy in our ranks, and that is impossible without someone to lead the way. That is why, today, I am running to be your Sheriff. I will strive to discover and work with Blues in the best manner possible, so that we can all make it out of here alive. I've played in good mafia games, bad mafia games, and served time in the psychotic morass known as Caller's Red Army, so I know how to be a man and do the right thing. Vote for survival. Vote t_co for your Mafia XVI Sheriff.
Then, after falling way behind in the election:
On January 21 2010 08:06 t_co wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2010 07:41 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Well I'm running and since I'm biased I'll say myself.
I voted for meeple, I think he'll do fine. He seems pretty level-headed and analytical and I don't have any reason to believe he is mafia. This, coming from the same person who said seems kind of odd. I find this sudden tightness between meeple and DH kind of suspicious. But the main topic here should be that we should lynch the mayor regardless of whether we think he is mafia or not.The mayor role is actually quite overpowered compared to the sheriff, but the power only helps if the mayor is mafia. Consider that the extra three votes of the mayor don't really start kicking in until later in the game, when vote total gets smaller and smaller. By then, most of the bodyguards may be dead. If the mayor is town, then the mafia can kill him. If the mayor is mafia, the mafia get an additional 2 votes to use when there aren't that many actives left. In this case, the mayor is a pretty useless role for the town to keep and should be lynched ASAP. It would also allow the meeple DH duo to be verified, as if one of the two shows up clean, the other ought to be clean as well.
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I think we can't go wrong lynching t_co: if he is guilty, we have many leads to investigate and gain a huge advantage. If he turns out to have been innocent after we killed him, then all those guys are exonerated. So one way or another, lynching him brings some clarity.
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You're right: I did want both DoctorH and meeple elected, to keep 3rd place candidate t_co out of office.
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On January 21 2010 12:23 Abenson wrote:
I'm so confused right now....
The clues don't seem to tell anything in the Day 1 post... D;
Anyways....
I think that we should stick with hard facts for now, and I really think T_co is extremely suspicious like most of you, but I think we should observe before doing anything rash.
The fact is we must lynch someone, these are the rules. It is simply a matter of who is the best candidate.
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t_co said:
Needless to say if I flip green/blue then doctorH/meeple are in doubt.
Don't forget me too! Not only that, but I would think the people who voted for you might be relatively safe. It would be one heck of a strategy for the mob to put up 3 competing candidates, but what the heck, it could happen!
On the other hand, if we lynched you and you turned out red, we'd have a lot to talk about.
Basically I think lynching is about revealing information. I don't think killing anyone else would give us as much to go on as lynching t_co. We could go with Hobbes based on clues, but even if he turned red, that would be a dead end.
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I think if t_co turns out red we have a great chance to end this very fast. If not, we still get a number of clues, a new list of suspects (I will gladly put myself at the top of that list), and a long-ish one with likely innocent people. That is a lot of info, well worth the risk in my view.
Lynching Hobbes on the other hand... not so useful, even if he is guilty/red. Same KP for the mob, no new info.
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Time for rest. Its been fun and oddly addictive, I look forward to many additional pages to read by tomorrow morning!
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By the way t_co, in your last mafia game (Caller's red army mafia) you had a total of 13 posts between July 26th and August 18th. This back and forth is certainly a jump in activity, nice to see you are getting more involved!
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