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citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
February 01 2010 03:51 GMT
#1756
No worries: I decided to ask a medic to protect magicbullet tonight and save hit vigilante hit, just in the outrageously small chance meeple was red and would be difficult to lynch later thanks to his 3 votes. This was per Ng5's prudent advice, who I was also pretty sure, but never 100% sure was innocent.Ng5 was extremely helpful with his analysis by the way, excellent game by him.
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citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
February 01 2010 13:22 GMT
#1771
I love it Jugan. Perhaps you could share why, even after we caught DrH and I went after Myst, keit and Hyperbola, you started the ad hominem attacks and claimed there were "other much better suspects".... Who were these suspects? Why did you defend Hyperbola, when the evidence was ovewhelmingly against him at that point?!?
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citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-01 15:05:24
February 01 2010 14:53 GMT
#1782
One more thing: I had the "lynch DrH" post ready 24h before posting it. In fact, I even sent it to meeple (and maybe Ng5 as well?) for comments. Why I waited: I wanted to try to get DrH to react to other clues on the forum. When I asked him if he saw a link to anyone and the mist clue and he said he can't think of anyone, Mysltlord's fate was pretty much sealed.

Mystlord's reaction to the "lynch DrH" post solidified my suspicions, but at that point he awas already very next on the list.
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citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
February 01 2010 16:07 GMT
#1784
On January 24 2010 10:38 Phrujbaz wrote:
Jugan asked me in a pm to post what I think of recent events.

First, I'm very sad that we lost a detective early on, through what I think stupid play. What's done is done, but there is still a lesson to be learned. Blues should hide as much from the Mafia as the Mafia is hiding from the town.

Don't do anything suspicious. Be careful who you communicate with in private. Make sure the public knows who you are talking to if something goes wrong.

Second, as for double lynch, there is a decent chance that a new set of clues will allow us to nail at least one Mafia. However, double lynches are usually used when you have solid clues on multiple people. I don't think we have enough to go on to successfully lynch two Mafia. At this point, I think we're more likely to lynch two innocents than two Mafia. I would use double lynch later.

Finally, I think some of you have a too narrow focus. Early clues are always really vague and very loosely connected to the Mafia. They could refer to anyone. Just one example:

First result for "magicbullet" on google is the "magic bullet blender," which is kitchen equipment. What role do the refrigerator and the food references play in the first kill on day 1? Why are they necessary for the story?

Another example, citi.zen's quote is "Aut inveniam viam aut faciam." It's Latin and means "I shall either find a way or make one." How would you describe this sentiment? Perseverance. How would you describe the character in the first kill on day two?

Now I don't mean to say magicbullet and citi.zen are Mafia. I just think it's important to keep an open mind and not become too obsessed with any one reference at this point. Like "I just can't ignore how clue X seems to fit perfectly to person Y." There's a good chance the clue has to be interpreted in a totally different way from what you're thinking.


That was a very good post for a mafia I thought. Vague, but also somewhat reasonable (unlike others). What I am curious is: what was your conversation with Jugan about? Did you have him convinced you were innocent?
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citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
February 01 2010 18:59 GMT
#1793
There was nothing wrong with the balance in this game I think, the mafia just played risky. Look at BC's game played with the same rules.

Great job Incognito!
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citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
February 01 2010 20:27 GMT
#1796
I just have to put this up there, it is just too entertaining:

On January 28 2010 14:35 citi.zen wrote:
Nikoner, Phrujbaz, keit, Hyperbola and Mystlord, please stand up.

GG guys.


On January 28 2010 15:27 Jugan wrote:

I believe you are wrong on all counts.


+ Show Spoiler +


On January 29 2010 02:46 Jugan wrote:
Lol are you fucking serious?

Some one can't find a translation for a quote in a foreign language and that's supposed to mean something? Clues aren't based on posts genius.

And you claim DrH is defending Hyperbola when he talks about the apple and implicates Keit when he doesn't even MENTION hyperbola?

I've looked at your "evidence" and you've just made a story and found posts and tried to make those posts fit into your story. Mystlord's post seems geniune - I can understand where he came from, he even explained his reasoning and how there may have been a hole in it. Does this mean he's innocent? Not necessarily, but the posts you are referring to uses semi-rational reasoning, even if it is slightly flawed.

The point is: you're wrong, and stop calling people out on the thread.



On January 29 2010 03:21 Jugan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2010 03:17 [NyC]HoBbes wrote:
Hyperbola has been inactive the entire game, losing him wouldn't really be a problem even if he was green. If he is blue and laying low, he can go to citizen, who is proven not mafia, and explain the situation.


Yeah except that

1) citizen is fucking nuts and won't even listen at all.
2) If he is "inactive"... there are better targets. If he is "laying low"... there are better targets. [insert bad excuse to lynch hyperbola here]... there are better targets.



On January 29 2010 03:07 Jugan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2010 03:00 citi.zen wrote:

This is not a person ernestly trying to interpret the clues.



You mean like how you're pointing fingers based on ridiculous assumptions and posts that you force to fit your story? Your evidence is shabby at best, and you're trying to convict someone because they couldn't find a translation to your quote AND you're being a douche about it.

Yeah way to be ignorant man. I hope we lynch everyone that you pointed fingers at, and they turn up blue.


On January 29 2010 03:28 Jugan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2010 03:26 keit wrote:
ahahahah, so much drama. hope you didn't take my post seriously, or should you? xD


i hope you really are mafia and kill citizen for being a donkey



On February 01 2010 16:07 Jugan wrote:

Your biggest mistake was leaving me alive. [...] I made 5 out of 7 correct guesses on the mafia. Well played


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citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
February 01 2010 21:01 GMT
#1800
ghote was up on my list at a point too. Then Ng5 asked "why?", so I went back to see when he was first accused, to find it was DrH who pushed for him as a suspect based on the weak link Beatles lyrics - Apple records. That pretty much cleared him in my eyes. He had also told me he was a medic, but at first I did not trust him and did not have him protect anyone important, I was too afraid to give away a blue to the mafia.
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citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-01 21:04:53
February 01 2010 21:02 GMT
#1801
Ng5 was invaluable in PMs by the way, I can't emphasize that enough. And on the forum - he really got DrH talking when he did his series of long posts.
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citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
February 01 2010 21:47 GMT
#1809
The write-up for the Red Army Mafia was really funny - I saw it the other day looking at older games. I couldn't stop laughing at the game and role descriptions.
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citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
February 01 2010 22:13 GMT
#1814
waw, I too was SURE you decided to sacrifice keit on purpose, to make yourself look legit/clean.
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citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
February 01 2010 22:46 GMT
#1819
L is red by default, so that's easy.
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citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
February 03 2010 00:03 GMT
#1833
I don't know if a "rematch " per se is possible, it would have all new "teams".
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citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
February 03 2010 00:16 GMT
#1836
:-)
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citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
February 03 2010 17:48 GMT
#1843
I am curious: how did you guys choose the roles? Was it random, or were there some other considerations?
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citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
February 03 2010 19:20 GMT
#1845
Interesting. There was a time when we thought this clue pointed to someone with nothing in their profile:

With a few quick punches and kicks, Abenson was left mangled before his attacker left the lynch site as quietly as he had come.


That murder drove me nuts... there was so little there in terms of clues!
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citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-03 20:24:17
February 03 2010 20:23 GMT
#1847
In the beginning I was a bit sad not to be mafia, but now I think it would be a lot more boring. Not that much to do, unless you try the path DrH took. This game I guess showed yet again that is not recommended, so most likely the mafia just keeps a low profile and does... nothing!
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-04 03:14:28
February 04 2010 03:14 GMT
#1854
In this particular game we caught 6/7 mafia yet we misinterpreted clues all the way to the end. Just ask poor Hobbes. + Show Spoiler +
On January 29 2010 13:07 [NyC]HoBbes wrote:
all I know is finally the clues dont suggest me... considering the last few nights I was expecting tonight to be "his orange, stripy attacker left a great deal of fur and tuna fish behind..."
Sorry. Could not resist.
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citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
February 04 2010 17:38 GMT
#1864
On February 05 2010 02:12 Qatol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2010 23:37 Phrujbaz wrote:
In Chuiu's first game he said something like "fill out your profile, because if you're Mafia and all I have is your username, expect the clues to be easy."

I thought that was a great way to motivate people. If you're Mafia, and you don't have a profile, you'll just get a clue to your username that's dead obvious if need be.

The problem with this policy is that you are essentially punishing the whole mafia for a few members not having a profile. And because we want the clues to be consistent, the mafia have no way of knowing that it is a problem until the game has already started (and it is thus too late to change anything) because the mafia don't know who their teammates are until the game starts.

Basically, I think we need to start implementing a rule that you don't make it onto the signups list unless you have a useful profile. I specify "useful" because in BC's first game, one of the cluesets was fighting. The problem was there were like 3-4 players whose sig said "XYZ Fighting!" or "XYZ Hwaiting!" and they otherwise had an empty profile. Obviously, we need to require more than that in the future if we want to continue to play games with clues.


Interesting suggestion. Perhaps a profile picture/sig quote could be made mandatory.
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citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
February 04 2010 18:20 GMT
#1866
For a while I thought the clue about the vile, disgusting...etc. might have to do with some old forum argument you've had with another player. I did not bother to check though, and in general I would agree that old posts are weak clue material.
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citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
February 04 2010 21:32 GMT
#1869
Tempted to include a random 2 pages of text in my profile and a few pictures before the next game. For added confusions. All killings will point to me, at least a little bit.
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