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Then you are the veteran who didn't claim earlier when there was a plan in effect to do so but now is a good time to do so? The plan was to have a DT check someone who we pick during the night, then have him check a claimed vet the next day to confirm his sanity. Ace didn't check someone who was picked so revealing myself wouldn't confirm his sanity. Revealing myself at that point would have been a shit use of a roleclaim given the reasons posted above. Since I am common a target for mafia to hit, wasting my ability to soak up a hit would have been a waste.
I didn't 'complain' about being hit early, i factored it into my decision as to whether or not I should roleclaim.
It just doesn't make sense to me. That's because you aren't reading the thread. I just told you the answer to all of these things, and now I'm repeating them because you couldn't be bothered to read.
I thought he claimed to you because he protected you last night and got a message confirming that he protected you from something. Has anyone else claimed to you, by the way?
Uh, a DT has claimed to me after I asked a DT to check me. This was pretty obvious in my last post. I didn't really want to reveal the confirmed existence of the second DT, but he claimed to me based on the fact that he checked me on day 1 and turned up veteran.
I'd have REALLLLLLLLLY have preferred to not make this information public, but if I die to some highly suspicious wagoning from people who have been largely inactive until the last 2 pages, I would fucking go on tilt.
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And the part about the medic? About him claiming to you because the facts added up? No, the Dt claimed to me because the facts added up.
The medic claimed to me because they protected me, but didn't realize that they could stop hatter bombs. That's why I've asked people to not confide any additional information to me until there is assured evidence of my being blue.
What information are you making public? Stuff that you said is really obvious in your last post?
All I've ever wanted is some direction from you. Simple, really. You're working with some DT and a Medic (at least) and pre-picking someone to check and kill to confirm you. All this despite the fact that the DT has already claimed to you and therefore trusts you. I sure hope you manage to pick someone non-blue on this attempt.
The timing of the DT certainty is what i revealed. Mafia might have believed, like you, that they had 3 days of fucking around time, but now they know that unless they kill the DT tonight, they're in for a world of trouble.
The DT figured on the balance of probabilities that the likelihood of him getting a blue 'veteran' check on me and me claiming veteran without even knowing that he checked me was enough proof for him to trust me.
I don't want to give anyone directions regarding roleclaiming until people can be iron-clad in their certainty that I am who I say I am because unlike Ace I'm not going around asking people for information that could harm the town. I don't want to ask people to make a leap of faith and trust me, I just want them to look at their available options and pick the best ones available to them. At this point, I wouldn't claim to me unless I knew what these two players do, so I'm not going to tell everyone to believe me.
Furthermore, you haven't voted for a lynch once. Why is this? I normally vote very close to the end of the voting period so that I can take in the maximum amount of thread and voting information before making my choice, which means that I sometime end up not being able to get to a computer prior to voting. You can see this in prior games if you feel like going to check. As for not having 'voted' for lynch, I was pretty adamant that I'd kill Tricode on our first day until he started producing content and I didn't hide the fact that Ace was playing like a sack of donkeyballs the second day, so its not like I play neutral.
As for you, you've voted to abstain during the Ace vote, which is odd because you're all over everyone else's balls about how that vote turned out. You could have easily made the case for someone else over him and tried to actually vote for them. I actually took a side and put something on the line, you stayed silent. Why is this? Why is it that you try to criticize me for things you're double guilty of and fail to read my points?
and a dt day 1 checks you and you flip vet and get a rc? The dt claimed after I asked for a DT check today. I had no idea there was another DT and was kinda throwing it out there as a shot in the dark because I honestly believed we had a single DT until I decided to balls up and ask.
I don't think anyone knew there was another DT to check until I got RC'd to either, nor have you been posting. I asked you specifically to start thinking and start producing content and you flat out refused me. I'm glad you decided to start posting, though.
As for voting today, I obviously will be.
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Your "side" was that Ace was playing like ass. Which ended up getting him killed. I fully stand by the fact that it was my responsibility because I did think it was the right move at the time. Your abstaining, on the other hand had the exact same effect; you refused to come to his aid when he needed it, but you did so as to feign disinterest, not a commitment to the lynch result.
I really don't see how you could be a larger hypocrite when it comes to this.
What were the other reasons for revealing the medic and a DT are in your pocket? I must have failed to read that point. The medic was revealed the moment i got hit, because people who get hit should always make that public. The DT was because you thought I was going to be doing nothing for 3 days and had no plan which was why you were so ragin' cajun on me.
Short version: You are.
Did you ever answer this question? You could probably do it for me; that segment of our conversation was linked to why I had claimed when I claimed. Could it be that we talked about something else afterwards which I'd rather not have the mafia know about? Whoa.
This medic and DT friend of yours cannot be confirmed. And if that's the case, why reveal them now? The medic is confirmed to me; He saved me from a hit. The DT could be non-confirmed, but I know that his ability should accurately pinpoint blue roles, so he's fucked if I ever cross-check a rolecheck. If he's mafia, he can't kill me prior to me knowing he's a liar. Seeing as he's going to be used, in part, to confirm blues, he's just sealed his fate if he's lying. Based on some information I just got, I'm probably going to have him check a few blues prior to letting them into the circle.
Also, you've confirmed a third DT, not a second one, unless you think Sugiura is a liar. I have no idea if Sugiura is a DT, and if she is why she would claim publicly without some immediate payoff. I kinda think she's still a hatter trying to get blown up, since that explains the lists and the suicidal behavior.
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I'm really tired due to surgerying, so i'm going to take a nap.
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You'd be rather wrong, but much like you I'm not sure that either of our lynch targets is mafia.
I was thinking I'd vote for vivi today; if he flips red then we know that redtooth is also mafia if sugi isn't lying and then we can kill him tomorrow. If not, we can get our DT friend(s) to check chez tonight and lynch him tomorrow, but given that some people seem adamant that he isn't mafia that might not be an option.
Between the two I think vivi and chez are both around equally suspicious, but the information we gain on redtooth seems to be the deciding factor for me.
Thoughts?
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On October 30 2009 11:03 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:wat? are you sure? i wanted to switch to Vivi
3 minutes late. No big deal, both candidates were fairly similar. Lets hope we get something good out of this.
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KP is now 1, we're pretty much in the game for another 7 days, which is just about enough time to DT check every remaining player so we've pretty much won.
So what do we have DT wise now and who are we going to kill tomorrow?
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On October 30 2009 11:53 SugiuraMidori wrote:
For anyone that doesn't catch it... I just sorta gave a 3-person medic list if you'd like to make use of it. Though not protecting me would be sad story.
If folks would like to help choose who I check each night from now on, that's fine too.
Are you confirmed with your sanity at this point?
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So, regarding the lynch we have pre-planned for tomorrow; Cobbler's volunteered himself for the job. It seems he had already talked it over with sugi from the PMs he sent me. I've had the other DT check him as well, and I know what role hes claimed as.
Thread's a bit slow, so feel free to discuss.
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I'm rather busy sorting through a lot of information in PMs regarding roleclaims and DT checks and whatnot, but I'm pretty sure I've found someone who is flat out lying.
Will post a bit more after I finish showering and getting my thoughts in order.
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That wasn't the medic that saved me, although his suspicion of me granted that he probably thought he was the only medic now makes a lot more sense. Would make double sense if he was also protecting me that night, which is a 50/50 chance if both medics followed incog's 2 person medic list.
Or rather, if he did save me, he sure as hell wasn't the person who claimed to me, and I know my medic stopped the hit on sugi (and is talking to sugi) so I'm certain he's legit.
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Also: lol i was right regarding the number of medics.
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On November 02 2009 10:18 Tricode wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2009 10:15 L wrote:
Also: lol i was right regarding the number of medics. Didn't you say you know another DT other then midori? What's going on about that one? Does that DT know their sanity and can give us information, through you as the DT's voice?
I know of another DT besides sugi, and sugi knows who it is.
The problem is, this DT forgot to check someone on day 2, so that's thrown a rather gigantic wrench in our wheels because its 1) really suspicious and 2) delays the check.
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The vote being set up to be super close was an attempt to see if anyone was going to swallow a poison pill by voting one way or another granted that the other was going to die the next day. Easy bait which no one, sadly, took.
Having a 9-1 vote tells you a lot less than having a tied vote which a single vote overturns.
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So were you wrong on this? I wasn't. Sugi partially dealt with the problem in her longish post so i left it at that. We'll have more information after the next set of night checks.
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I voted day 1, Qatol or Ver is a retard and didn't take me off the no vote list after I voted. i even said that like 2 posts after the vote.
I'd be dead if I missed 2 votes.
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On November 03 2009 00:40 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2009 23:58 L wrote:
I voted day 1, Qatol or Ver is a retard and didn't take me off the no vote list after I voted. i even said that like 2 posts after the vote.
I'd be dead if I missed 2 votes. Ver is your retard, don't lump me in with the likes of him! In all seriousness, L voted for Ace late day 1 and Ver forgot to take him off the "No Vote" list when he added him to the "Ace" list.
Ok lol, ( o II )b
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How come people that suspected Vivi before don't suspect him now? Because we have a confirmed DT with confirmed sanity who checked him as green.
Try to keep up with the thread before you go into hyper defensive porcupine mode.
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Oh wait, we had this information during the Chezinu/Vivi vote. But the DT wasn't confirmed and didn't know if the two were green or red. Hence the entire pretext which your now confirmed blue medic friend went to lengths to defend, and the reason we lopped off cobbler's head.
You can't go back 2 days and pretend that we knew what we do now. That simply doesn't work. You really need to stop trying to cherrypick soundbytes while ignoring their context.
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Why would it be about sugi lying? Its about how the roles flip prior to making your sanity-type guess as a DT.
DTs can confirm their sanity type to Qatol in the form of a one time guess in order to unscramble all of the missing blue information after they're positive they have their sanity down pat.
There's no suspicion now because we know that the result of the rolecheck is 100% green. Prior, the DT check gave the option of vivi and redtooth being either red or green, just not blue. Once confirmation of sanity happened, we learned that it was 100% green and the suspicion obviously went away.
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