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ShootAnonymous
Profile Joined May 2014
1948 Posts
December 07 2014 11:16 GMT
#321
Missed the entirety of IEM so far (too busy catching up on the Summit >_>), someone rec games to watch pls :D From reddit/twitter seems like UOL upset TSM? @_@ How'd that happen?
RIP DotA Kings | BurNIng : Mushi : iceiceice : LaNm : MMY!
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-07 11:20:33
December 07 2014 11:19 GMT
#322
I'm just watching UoL vs TSM rebroadcast and in 2nd game, why the hell did Bjergsen build 2xMorello on Azir ?!


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TitusVI
Profile Joined April 2013
Germany8319 Posts
December 07 2014 11:48 GMT
#323
Well the thing is Athenes is one item that gives you all you want for a start. Lots of mana regen, a devent amount of ap and some important mr for the early laning. And after its done your comletly open to build full damage or a bit more tanky.
Especially when the enemy is having a lead you dont want to spend half the game building up these morellos.
Science>Mechanics
ramon
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany4842 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-07 11:52:50
December 07 2014 11:51 GMT
#324
On December 07 2014 20:16 ShootAnonymous wrote:
Missed the entirety of IEM so far (too busy catching up on the Summit >_>), someone rec games to watch pls :D From reddit/twitter seems like UOL upset TSM? @_@ How'd that happen?

somewhat outpicked because of interesting jungle choices into powerofevil outplaying bjergsen and uol just playing better

other games were ok, but nothing special, c9 played double ad both times and took longer to win than expected
bisu
ShootAnonymous
Profile Joined May 2014
1948 Posts
December 07 2014 12:27 GMT
#325
On December 07 2014 20:51 ramon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2014 20:16 ShootAnonymous wrote:
Missed the entirety of IEM so far (too busy catching up on the Summit >_>), someone rec games to watch pls :D From reddit/twitter seems like UOL upset TSM? @_@ How'd that happen?

somewhat outpicked because of interesting jungle choices into powerofevil outplaying bjergsen and uol just playing better

other games were ok, but nothing special, c9 played double ad both times and took longer to win than expected

thanks for the reply, will watch the UOL-TSM VOD later
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TitusVI
Profile Joined April 2013
Germany8319 Posts
December 07 2014 15:58 GMT
#326
Weird that there is no price money to win for the teams. They basically play for nothing while in SC2 there is price money.
Science>Mechanics
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
December 07 2014 16:13 GMT
#327
On December 07 2014 20:19 739 wrote:
I'm just watching UoL vs TSM rebroadcast and in 2nd game, why the hell did Bjergsen build 2xMorello on Azir ?!


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Because Morel love is like 130% cost efficient without the healing reduction.

Still, Burger King should have built a tank item instead. He was dying way too much.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
December 07 2014 17:08 GMT
#328
On December 07 2014 19:48 Maluk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2014 12:55 wei2coolman wrote:
On December 07 2014 12:44 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
On December 07 2014 12:37 Kavas wrote:
On December 07 2014 12:28 Sufficiency wrote:
On December 07 2014 12:23 Kavas wrote:
On December 07 2014 12:15 Prog wrote:
On December 07 2014 12:08 Kavas wrote:
On December 07 2014 12:01 krndandaman wrote:
lol oh god

tsm is going to get whipped by regi tonight

Whoever is in charge of their P&B needs to get whoped.

Both games UOL had P/B which gave them the initiative and advantage.

And Bjergsen needs 1000 games of solo-Q going athene's first so he knows where the item is.


Can't really blame them for the P&B in game 1, noone expected the jungle tf that tricked them into xerath.

I can respect that. But even then why would you pick Xerath and not Le Blanc into a supposed TF mid?

And first picking pantheon over gnar.



Honestly though, Xerath is about as good as LB vs TF. Plus Burgerking is more comfortable on Xerath.

We'll have to disagree on that. LB imo gives more pressure because of solo-kill potential and roaming. The ability to influence and pressure the map should be more valuable that Xerath who isn't as mobile.

Can't argue Bjergsen will more likely be more comfortable on Xerath though. It was one of his key champions for last NA split.

TSM more used to playing with Xerath, and he fit the sort of "distanced engage" that TSM wanted to have with Rumble.

Hopefully no one is taking anything away from UoL vs TSM. As much as I would love to shit on TSM cuz TSM, they're notorious for being terrible when new major patches kick in.

Describing TSM as a "terrible" team has never been incorrect though.

Maybe they were strong in S1 or something, I don't know since I wasn't playing back then, but they have been absolutely irrelevant on the international scene for a long while now (just like any EU or NA team tho).

I'm not surprised that UoL can beat TSM because I view this IEM and western LoL in general as the bronze league of competitive LoL : everything can happen and anyone can win because every team is utterly incompetent.

It has nothing to do with international scene, when TSM is playing against the likes of UoL, so your point about international scene is completely moot.

TSM has always struggled with brand new patches, it happened in s3, and it happened in s4. It's just inherent in their extremely standard playstyle. They rely on beating people with already fleshed out strategies simply due to being better players, when a new patch like this comes out TSM tends to flounder quite a bit.
liftlift > tsm
Vaporized
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1471 Posts
December 07 2014 17:40 GMT
#329
Can someone tell me the advantages of double ad comp.

It worked for c9 obviously. But i dont understand why that was their strategy going into the games.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
December 07 2014 17:47 GMT
#330
On December 08 2014 02:40 Vaporized wrote:
Can someone tell me the advantages of double ad comp.

It worked for c9 obviously. But i dont understand why that was their strategy going into the games.

I don't think c9 took that game that seriously tbh...
liftlift > tsm
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
December 07 2014 17:51 GMT
#331
On December 08 2014 00:58 TitusVI wrote:
Weird that there is no price money to win for the teams. They basically play for nothing while in SC2 there is price money.

Where did you get this from? I cant believe that is true.

Here it lists 50k $ as prize pool:
http://lol.esportspedia.com/wiki/IEM_Season_IX_-_San_Jose
Off-season = best season
TitusVI
Profile Joined April 2013
Germany8319 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-07 18:15:31
December 07 2014 18:14 GMT
#332
On December 08 2014 02:51 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2014 00:58 TitusVI wrote:
Weird that there is no price money to win for the teams. They basically play for nothing while in SC2 there is price money.

Where did you get this from? I cant believe that is true.

Here it lists 50k $ as prize pool:
http://lol.esportspedia.com/wiki/IEM_Season_IX_-_San_Jose


I looked at the prize pool for the different places and there is nothing written.
But looks like i was wrong it indeed says 50.000 on the right side.
Science>Mechanics
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
December 07 2014 20:16 GMT
#333
[A]lliance - Cloud 9 HyperX

Bans:
Rumble, Zed, Syndra.
Irelia, Lee Sin, Gnar.

Picks:
Corki, Elise, Soraka, Maokai, Xerath.
Lissandra, Thresh, Jarvan IV4, Lucian, Fizz.
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739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
December 07 2014 20:18 GMT
#334
C9 has this.
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orzeu
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland5205 Posts
December 07 2014 20:18 GMT
#335
Both team comps pretty shit.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
December 07 2014 20:21 GMT
#336
On December 08 2014 05:18 orzeu wrote:
Both team comps pretty shit.

Lol.
ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
December 07 2014 20:22 GMT
#337
It seems C9 switched from double AD to double AP, hohoho!
darkness overpowering
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
December 07 2014 20:23 GMT
#338
That raptor start from wickd was cute though
Glorious SEA doto
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
December 07 2014 20:25 GMT
#339
Elise???
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
December 07 2014 20:26 GMT
#340
Woo finally got some time to watch.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
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