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kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
December 22 2013 21:04 GMT
#3401
On December 23 2013 06:02 Lysanias wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2013 06:00 Slusher wrote:
I don't understand blaming the meta for a guy known for playing a TON of champions sucking.

Soaz played like shit end of story no meta excuses needed.


Though i agree he played poorly i found Cyanide playing even worse, and Xpeke aswell. Why is there so much focus on sOAZ ?

to be fair i never considered cyanide as a great jungler, he was solid but never stand out as somebody who has huge influence on games like people like diamond or meteos
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
December 22 2013 21:04 GMT
#3402
On December 23 2013 06:02 Lysanias wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2013 06:00 Slusher wrote:
I don't understand blaming the meta for a guy known for playing a TON of champions sucking.

Soaz played like shit end of story no meta excuses needed.


Though i agree he played poorly i found Cyanide playing even worse, and Xpeke aswell. Why is there so much focus on sOAZ ?


idk I just saw someone say he played badly because of the meta which is just babying him considering his reputation.
Carrilord has arrived.
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
December 22 2013 21:05 GMT
#3403
On December 23 2013 06:04 kongoline wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2013 06:02 Lysanias wrote:
On December 23 2013 06:00 Slusher wrote:
I don't understand blaming the meta for a guy known for playing a TON of champions sucking.

Soaz played like shit end of story no meta excuses needed.


Though i agree he played poorly i found Cyanide playing even worse, and Xpeke aswell. Why is there so much focus on sOAZ ?

to be fair i never considered cyanide as a great jungler, he was solid but never stand out as somebody who has huge influence on games like people like diamond or meteos


Are you sure you watched S3 worlds?
- TEAM LIQUID - doctorbeat on LoL
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12084 Posts
December 22 2013 21:05 GMT
#3404
On December 23 2013 06:00 Doctorbeat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2013 05:59 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Welp, time for Crs to win their easy win.

Unless Cog surprises us all by being clutch again, but then again 6-20 NACL record too stronk for me to be[le]ive too hard.

Crs's team just strikes me as all sorts of meh outside of Quas top. Vooby mid, Cop/Zekent bot, and IWD (was never impressive when he was on Dig :\ ). We'll see.


IWD is better than St.V was tho. Vooby mid is meh, and losing Edward might pose a huge loss for Curse.

1) better than SV isn't saying much with his smites lol. Still mediocre.

2) Edward is a world class support, but never played like one on Curse, so Zekent isn't as large a downgrade.

3) Cog was still 6-20 in NACL, so I don't believe. I tried to believe that TBD/DTG would beat EG.NA (granted, mostly because I was pretty skeptical about the lineup, no matter how hot snoopeh is), and then that TWZ would beat Coast (both deserve to be in LCS though, well contested games). But hey, if they do I'm not gonna complain. Liquid choosing to bench Pobelt in favor of Vooby mid was questionable at best.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
December 22 2013 21:05 GMT
#3405
On December 23 2013 06:02 zulu_nation8 wrote:
hai has improved a lot

wot? bly plz
He did solid this series, but let's wait until spring before we say something like that.
Hai's biggest issue in S3 was his champion pool. Two games isn't going to really test that.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-22 21:06:43
December 22 2013 21:05 GMT
#3406
oh god really? a hype video in which liquid is the main character? I can't help myself I hate curse now.

hey liquid wheres the part where you picked up 2 players only to cut them 2 days later in this "I'm such a beast at forming a team" highlight video
Carrilord has arrived.
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
December 22 2013 21:05 GMT
#3407
On December 23 2013 06:05 Doctorbeat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2013 06:04 kongoline wrote:
On December 23 2013 06:02 Lysanias wrote:
On December 23 2013 06:00 Slusher wrote:
I don't understand blaming the meta for a guy known for playing a TON of champions sucking.

Soaz played like shit end of story no meta excuses needed.


Though i agree he played poorly i found Cyanide playing even worse, and Xpeke aswell. Why is there so much focus on sOAZ ?

to be fair i never considered cyanide as a great jungler, he was solid but never stand out as somebody who has huge influence on games like people like diamond or meteos


Are you sure you watched S3 worlds?

yes i did and it was mostly about xpeke and soaz carrying the games
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
December 22 2013 21:06 GMT
#3408
On December 23 2013 06:03 Doctorbeat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2013 06:01 NeoIllusions wrote:
On December 23 2013 05:59 Dan HH wrote:
5 clean 2-0's, wish we had some closer games. I hope next time they make an actual bracket cause the power rankings change too much between the Summer Split and December to match them up like this

Arbitrary system is arbitrary. It's a showmatch, plain and simple. If anything, the fact that everyone is so riled up about something like BotA says a lot.

The real winner is obv Riot. There's going to be a lot of hype going into 2014 and the LCS Spring Split.


There should really be more intercontinental play though...

Just look at the hype, this needs to happen more than twice a year.

idk what Riot's official stance is but I have a feeling they see the value of international play. There's no one outside of Riot who doesn't want more international games.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9241 Posts
December 22 2013 21:06 GMT
#3409
On December 23 2013 06:01 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2013 05:59 Dan HH wrote:
5 clean 2-0's, wish we had some closer games. I hope next time they make an actual bracket cause the power rankings change too much between the Summer Split and December to match them up like this

Arbitrary system is arbitrary. It's a showmatch, plain and simple. If anything, the fact that everyone is so riled up about something like BotA says a lot.

The real winner is obv Riot. There's going to be a lot of hype going into 2014 and the LCS Spring Split.

This line of thinking is what bothered me the most about Season 3. The whole esports marketing motto was: If you need to pee, hold it until October and the release will feel better

No, it felt better in Season 2 when we had actual tournaments every now and then
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-22 21:09:19
December 22 2013 21:07 GMT
#3410
On December 23 2013 06:05 Slusher wrote:
oh god really? a hype video in which liquid is the main character? I can't help myself I hate curse now.

What's wrong with Liquid? Just because he's not a player? I've always liked him, seemed like one of the most involved team managers.

Edit: Alright yeah the Pobelter/Aphro situation was pretty dumb. Sucks if that was 100% his decision.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Kiett
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States7639 Posts
December 22 2013 21:07 GMT
#3411
i really dont like listening to IWD talk

please no more interviews with him
Writer:o
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
December 22 2013 21:07 GMT
#3412
On December 23 2013 06:05 kongoline wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2013 06:05 Doctorbeat wrote:
On December 23 2013 06:04 kongoline wrote:
On December 23 2013 06:02 Lysanias wrote:
On December 23 2013 06:00 Slusher wrote:
I don't understand blaming the meta for a guy known for playing a TON of champions sucking.

Soaz played like shit end of story no meta excuses needed.


Though i agree he played poorly i found Cyanide playing even worse, and Xpeke aswell. Why is there so much focus on sOAZ ?

to be fair i never considered cyanide as a great jungler, he was solid but never stand out as somebody who has huge influence on games like people like diamond or meteos


Are you sure you watched S3 worlds?

yes i did and it was mostly about xpeke and soaz carrying the games

I'm with kongoline.
Cyanide was heavy, heavy back in like S1 and S2. He's come to a point where he's a relevant player/jungler but he's not carry status yet.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
December 22 2013 21:08 GMT
#3413
On December 23 2013 06:04 Slusher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2013 06:02 Lysanias wrote:
On December 23 2013 06:00 Slusher wrote:
I don't understand blaming the meta for a guy known for playing a TON of champions sucking.

Soaz played like shit end of story no meta excuses needed.


Though i agree he played poorly i found Cyanide playing even worse, and Xpeke aswell. Why is there so much focus on sOAZ ?


idk I just saw someone say he played badly because of the meta which is just babying him considering his reputation.


There's no secret he greatly dislikes the meta currently, though i agree it should not be an excuse as a renowned top player you should be able to play everything and not just something you enjoy.
I just don't think it's fair to point fingers and name names atm where appart from Rekkless they all underperformed.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
December 22 2013 21:08 GMT
#3414
On December 23 2013 06:06 Dan HH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2013 06:01 NeoIllusions wrote:
On December 23 2013 05:59 Dan HH wrote:
5 clean 2-0's, wish we had some closer games. I hope next time they make an actual bracket cause the power rankings change too much between the Summer Split and December to match them up like this

Arbitrary system is arbitrary. It's a showmatch, plain and simple. If anything, the fact that everyone is so riled up about something like BotA says a lot.

The real winner is obv Riot. There's going to be a lot of hype going into 2014 and the LCS Spring Split.

This line of thinking is what bothered me the most about Season 3. The whole esports marketing motto was: If you need to pee, hold it until October and the release will feel better

No, it felt better in Season 2 when we had actual tournaments every now and then


Like I said above, hopefully Riot has opened their eyes a little. The "world cup" analogy is not exactly apt for LoL. Waiting until Worlds is far, far, far too long imo.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-22 21:11:00
December 22 2013 21:09 GMT
#3415
On December 23 2013 06:06 Dan HH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2013 06:01 NeoIllusions wrote:
On December 23 2013 05:59 Dan HH wrote:
5 clean 2-0's, wish we had some closer games. I hope next time they make an actual bracket cause the power rankings change too much between the Summer Split and December to match them up like this

Arbitrary system is arbitrary. It's a showmatch, plain and simple. If anything, the fact that everyone is so riled up about something like BotA says a lot.

The real winner is obv Riot. There's going to be a lot of hype going into 2014 and the LCS Spring Split.

This line of thinking is what bothered me the most about Season 3. The whole esports marketing motto was: If you need to pee, hold it until October and the release will feel better

No, it felt better in Season 2 when we had actual tournaments every now and then


Dat IPL5.

Cherished forever in our hearts.

@Neo: For soccer there still is Champion's League every year. Which goes on for basically 2/3'ds of the year.
- TEAM LIQUID - doctorbeat on LoL
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
December 22 2013 21:09 GMT
#3416
Cyanide has some games where he goes full beast mode but he has really shitty games as well.
I still think fnatic is the most incosistent team in league.
Nitan
Profile Joined September 2008
United States3401 Posts
December 22 2013 21:09 GMT
#3417
On December 23 2013 06:05 kongoline wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2013 06:05 Doctorbeat wrote:
On December 23 2013 06:04 kongoline wrote:
On December 23 2013 06:02 Lysanias wrote:
On December 23 2013 06:00 Slusher wrote:
I don't understand blaming the meta for a guy known for playing a TON of champions sucking.

Soaz played like shit end of story no meta excuses needed.


Though i agree he played poorly i found Cyanide playing even worse, and Xpeke aswell. Why is there so much focus on sOAZ ?

to be fair i never considered cyanide as a great jungler, he was solid but never stand out as somebody who has huge influence on games like people like diamond or meteos


Are you sure you watched S3 worlds?

yes i did and it was mostly about xpeke and soaz carrying the games


When xPeke got wrecked by Whitez Fnatic did lose. Hmmmm....
Do I contradict myself? Very well, then I contradict myself. I am large, I contain multitudes.
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12084 Posts
December 22 2013 21:09 GMT
#3418
Riot will probably start opening up and running more international tourneys now that LCS is "established" per se, and Coke Zero Challenger League will be a large boon for the amateur scene (if TL ever ends up writing about it, I'd volunteer to help with that specifically).

Also loud criticisms of the lack of international tourneys.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
December 22 2013 21:09 GMT
#3419
On December 23 2013 06:09 Doctorbeat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2013 06:06 Dan HH wrote:
On December 23 2013 06:01 NeoIllusions wrote:
On December 23 2013 05:59 Dan HH wrote:
5 clean 2-0's, wish we had some closer games. I hope next time they make an actual bracket cause the power rankings change too much between the Summer Split and December to match them up like this

Arbitrary system is arbitrary. It's a showmatch, plain and simple. If anything, the fact that everyone is so riled up about something like BotA says a lot.

The real winner is obv Riot. There's going to be a lot of hype going into 2014 and the LCS Spring Split.

This line of thinking is what bothered me the most about Season 3. The whole esports marketing motto was: If you need to pee, hold it until October and the release will feel better

No, it felt better in Season 2 when we had actual tournaments every now and then


Dat IPL5.

Cherished forever in our hearts.

RIP IPL. Never forget.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
December 22 2013 21:10 GMT
#3420
On December 23 2013 06:08 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2013 06:06 Dan HH wrote:
On December 23 2013 06:01 NeoIllusions wrote:
On December 23 2013 05:59 Dan HH wrote:
5 clean 2-0's, wish we had some closer games. I hope next time they make an actual bracket cause the power rankings change too much between the Summer Split and December to match them up like this

Arbitrary system is arbitrary. It's a showmatch, plain and simple. If anything, the fact that everyone is so riled up about something like BotA says a lot.

The real winner is obv Riot. There's going to be a lot of hype going into 2014 and the LCS Spring Split.

This line of thinking is what bothered me the most about Season 3. The whole esports marketing motto was: If you need to pee, hold it until October and the release will feel better

No, it felt better in Season 2 when we had actual tournaments every now and then


Like I said above, hopefully Riot has opened their eyes a little. The "world cup" analogy is not exactly apt for LoL. Waiting until Worlds is far, far, far too long imo.

IEM seems to be allowed some international competition albeit incredibly sparse
Glorious SEA doto
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