• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 14:24
CEST 20:24
KST 03:24
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8
Community News
SC4ALL: II SC2 Complete Invited Player Lineup4StarCraft II 5.0.17 PTR Patch Notes (Sept 30, 2026)66Weekly Cups (Sept 21-27): herO and ByuN double2Weekly Cups (Sep 13-20): herO scores triple3BSL Season 2315
StarCraft 2
General
October World Ranking: herO stays #1, ByuN returns SC4ALL: II SC2 Complete Invited Player Lineup StarCraft II 5.0.17 PTR Patch Notes (Sept 30, 2026) How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR? Awesome/Confusing SC2 BM
Tourneys
Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament 2026 GSTL Grand Finals Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) SC2 INu's Battles#21 [ 3-Days tournament ]
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Sweltering Sands [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 545 And Drops and Rifts Mutation # 544 Double Trouble Mutation # 543 Enhanced Defenses
Brood War
General
RepMastered™: replay sharing and analyzer site BSL Season 23 Klaucher discontinued / in-game color settings BW General Discussion Bot on ladder
Tourneys
[ASL22] Ro8 Day 4 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL22] Ro8 Day 3 [ASL22] Ro8 Day 2
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Replay Review Process - What do you do? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Total Annihilation Zero
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25! Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Diablo Animated Series on Netflix
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Escaping Into Video Games: G…
TrAiDoS
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
[meme] I finally understa…
LUCKY_NOOB
Regacy Esports:Our Goa…
regacyesports
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 8430 users

[LCS] Battle of the Atlantic, Part II - Page 158

Forum Index > LoL Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 156 157 158 159 160 194 Next
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
December 22 2013 20:14 GMT
#3141
I'm interested how Meteos plays this, jungle Fiddle is such a big departure from his normal pool/style. Seen him stream it a bit, but obv never in a pro match.
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
December 22 2013 20:14 GMT
#3142
omfg rekkles
Kiett
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States7639 Posts
December 22 2013 20:14 GMT
#3143
lol gg fiddle aura
Writer:o
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
December 22 2013 20:14 GMT
#3144
lol that loud ambient wind sounds wtf
Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
December 22 2013 20:15 GMT
#3145
On December 23 2013 05:12 killerdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2013 05:11 Amethyst21 wrote:


Thats a bit ambitious to say, if C9 just get destroyed 2 games in a row now, then the only games NA have won were vs Lemon Dogs/When a Kass got fed early.

Not saying it isn't true, just a bit over the top to say "no matter what"

You can't expect an active NA pro to be too negative about their own team/region though. Actually this whole tweet is a way for passive-aggressive master Xpecial to say TSM is still just as good as any EU team. Which should be his attitude as a competitor.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
December 22 2013 20:15 GMT
#3146
Early game - No invades. C9 almost catches out Rekkles in the bottom lane river bush but he may have been tipped off by Fiddle's passive. Standard lanes.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
UmberBane
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany5450 Posts
December 22 2013 20:15 GMT
#3147
On December 23 2013 05:14 kongoline wrote:
lol that loud ambient wind sounds wtf


The in game sound is pretty strange, sounds like there is a huuuge compressor/limiter on the audio
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
December 22 2013 20:15 GMT
#3148
On December 23 2013 05:13 LaM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2013 05:07 cuppatea wrote:
On December 23 2013 04:57 LaM wrote:
Seems simple to me that the best NA teams are just as good, maybe better, than the best EU teams (I would pick C9 or TSM over any Euro team right now in a Bo3). The mid-tier Euro teams are better than the mid-tier NA teams tho.


C9 went 25-3 against NA teams last season and then 1-4 against EU. TSM have never beaten M5/Gambit in multiple attempts and have a 0-17 record against Korean teams. There's literally nothing to back up what you're saying. All the evidence so far suggests C9 are miles ahead of the rest NA (including TSM) and slightly behind the very best EU teams (who themselves are only slightly ahead of the pack in Europe).


What does a different TSM's roster against Korean teams have to do with this TSM against European teams?

These stats pulling from various years and rosters against different rosters... You can make stats look like whatever you want. Want me to say the new TSM roster is undefeated in international competition since acquiring Bergesen, with a perfect record against the Euro team with the best record of Summer Split? Sounds great. Doesn't meant shit and is completely disingenuous.

I'm a Diamond 2 player who watches EU, NA, and OGN. In my opinion of watching them play, I think TSM and C9 are able to compete with and neat the best in Europe, and nobody else in NA can do so. Maybe I'm wrong.

If that's really so insulting and unfair to Europe, I don't know, get over yourself. Pls relax Europe. We're sorry we invaded Iraq and chant USA during LoL matches. Angsty, neo-liberal European 23 year olds please don't mute the stream x.x

And I as a d1 player(lol very important to bring it up !!!!!!) think that tsm havent played vs a good eu team so there is a big question mark if they can compete.

Also c9 are looking like a very solid team just like at worlds.
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
December 22 2013 20:16 GMT
#3149
The USA chant is usually used as a form of irony, not as a form of intense national pride. The US is very lacking in intense national pride, lol
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
December 22 2013 20:16 GMT
#3150
On December 23 2013 05:15 UmberBane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2013 05:14 kongoline wrote:
lol that loud ambient wind sounds wtf


The in game sound is pretty strange, sounds like there is a huuuge compressor/limiter on the audio


All sound bytes are reserved for epic australian accent.

Working as intended
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
December 22 2013 20:16 GMT
#3151
On December 23 2013 05:15 onlywonderboy wrote:
Early game - No invades. C9 almost catches out Rekkles in the bottom lane river bush but he may have been tipped off by Fiddle's passive. Standard lanes.

3:30 - Sneaky getting bodied in lane. Down 4 CS to 20.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12084 Posts
December 22 2013 20:17 GMT
#3152
On December 23 2013 05:13 LaM wrote:
*flamebaiting snip*

When you used the word neoliberal all I could think of was Margaret Thatcher and Friedman. I don't think it means what you think it means. Ehm.

Social liberal or social democrat would've been significantly better as a descriptor.

/socialsciencehatoff
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
December 22 2013 20:17 GMT
#3153
On December 23 2013 05:15 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2013 05:13 LaM wrote:
On December 23 2013 05:07 cuppatea wrote:
On December 23 2013 04:57 LaM wrote:
Seems simple to me that the best NA teams are just as good, maybe better, than the best EU teams (I would pick C9 or TSM over any Euro team right now in a Bo3). The mid-tier Euro teams are better than the mid-tier NA teams tho.


C9 went 25-3 against NA teams last season and then 1-4 against EU. TSM have never beaten M5/Gambit in multiple attempts and have a 0-17 record against Korean teams. There's literally nothing to back up what you're saying. All the evidence so far suggests C9 are miles ahead of the rest NA (including TSM) and slightly behind the very best EU teams (who themselves are only slightly ahead of the pack in Europe).


What does a different TSM's roster against Korean teams have to do with this TSM against European teams?

These stats pulling from various years and rosters against different rosters... You can make stats look like whatever you want. Want me to say the new TSM roster is undefeated in international competition since acquiring Bergesen, with a perfect record against the Euro team with the best record of Summer Split? Sounds great. Doesn't meant shit and is completely disingenuous.

I'm a Diamond 2 player who watches EU, NA, and OGN. In my opinion of watching them play, I think TSM and C9 are able to compete with and neat the best in Europe, and nobody else in NA can do so. Maybe I'm wrong.

If that's really so insulting and unfair to Europe, I don't know, get over yourself. Pls relax Europe. We're sorry we invaded Iraq and chant USA during LoL matches. Angsty, neo-liberal European 23 year olds please don't mute the stream x.x

And I as a d1 player(lol very important to bring it up !!!!!!) think that tsm havent played vs a good eu team so there is a big question mark if they can compete.

Also c9 are looking like a very solid team just like at worlds.


As a plat 5 player (and therefore representing a much larger segment of the playerbase, making my opinion much more important) I concur.


Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12084 Posts
December 22 2013 20:18 GMT
#3154
On December 23 2013 05:14 Slusher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2013 05:13 Lord Tolkien wrote:
On December 23 2013 05:11 Slusher wrote:
On December 23 2013 05:10 HorsemasterK wrote:
On December 23 2013 05:09 ManBaker wrote:
On December 23 2013 05:08 HorsemasterK wrote:
On December 23 2013 05:07 Lylat wrote:
Pls, I don't care about results I just want a serious game where Fnatic tries to win instead of doing random shit like Renekton mid


Here come the excuses


How do you explain a Renekton mid?


Fnatic thought they had a cute counter pick. They failed.


AD casters who aren't Pantheon are some of Kassadin's best lane match ups.

Talon or Fiora or Gangplank (or Riven)? :o


Riven is pretty even, Silence is as good as hard cc vs. her.

Fair enough about Riven. Wasn't sure about that.

Still, there are some pretty bad AD casters. Don't think Renekton's a good one outside of lane bullying tho, so it was kinda troll.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
orzeu
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland5205 Posts
December 22 2013 20:20 GMT
#3155
Cyanide without atrox not that good.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
December 22 2013 20:20 GMT
#3156
On December 23 2013 05:16 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2013 05:15 onlywonderboy wrote:
Early game - No invades. C9 almost catches out Rekkles in the bottom lane river bush but he may have been tipped off by Fiddle's passive. Standard lanes.

3:30 - Sneaky getting bodied in lane. Down 4 CS to 20.

4:40 - Cyanide ganks top, burns Balls' Flash
5:20 - Hai down 25 cs to 42
5:40 - Meteos ganks top and burns sOAZ's Flash
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
cuppatea
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom1401 Posts
December 22 2013 20:20 GMT
#3157
On December 23 2013 05:13 LaM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2013 05:07 cuppatea wrote:
On December 23 2013 04:57 LaM wrote:
Seems simple to me that the best NA teams are just as good, maybe better, than the best EU teams (I would pick C9 or TSM over any Euro team right now in a Bo3). The mid-tier Euro teams are better than the mid-tier NA teams tho.


C9 went 25-3 against NA teams last season and then 1-4 against EU. TSM have never beaten M5/Gambit in multiple attempts and have a 0-17 record against Korean teams. There's literally nothing to back up what you're saying. All the evidence so far suggests C9 are miles ahead of the rest NA (including TSM) and slightly behind the very best EU teams (who themselves are only slightly ahead of the pack in Europe).


What does a different TSM's roster against Korean teams have to do with this TSM against European teams?

These stats pulling from various years and rosters against different rosters... You can make stats look like whatever you want. Want me to say the new TSM roster is undefeated in international competition since acquiring Bergesen, with a perfect record against the Euro team with the best record of Summer Split? Sounds great. Doesn't meant shit and is completely disingenuous.

I'm a Diamond 2 player who watches EU, NA, and OGN. In my opinion of watching them play, I think TSM and C9 are able to compete with and neat the best in Europe, and nobody else in NA can do so. Maybe I'm wrong.

If that's really so insulting and unfair to Europe, I don't know, get over yourself. Pls relax Europe. We're sorry we invaded Iraq and chant USA during LoL matches. Angsty, neo-liberal European 23 year olds please don't mute the stream x.x


What are you basing your opinion on? Since worlds C9 has played a grand total of 3 maps, getting stomped in 2 of them by Gambit and then winning 1 against Fnatic. TSM have played 2 maps against a shit-tier EU team with 5 players that weren't even in EU LCS last season. How could you POSSIBLY conclude from those games that they might have eclipsed the best teams in Europe?
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-22 20:23:28
December 22 2013 20:20 GMT
#3158
Wait why did Peke take cleanse vs Khazix?
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
December 22 2013 20:20 GMT
#3159
On December 23 2013 05:18 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2013 05:14 Slusher wrote:
On December 23 2013 05:13 Lord Tolkien wrote:
On December 23 2013 05:11 Slusher wrote:
On December 23 2013 05:10 HorsemasterK wrote:
On December 23 2013 05:09 ManBaker wrote:
On December 23 2013 05:08 HorsemasterK wrote:
On December 23 2013 05:07 Lylat wrote:
Pls, I don't care about results I just want a serious game where Fnatic tries to win instead of doing random shit like Renekton mid


Here come the excuses


How do you explain a Renekton mid?


Fnatic thought they had a cute counter pick. They failed.


AD casters who aren't Pantheon are some of Kassadin's best lane match ups.

Talon or Fiora or Gangplank (or Riven)? :o


Riven is pretty even, Silence is as good as hard cc vs. her.

Fair enough about Riven. Wasn't sure about that.

Still, there are some pretty bad AD casters. Don't think Renekton's a good one outside of lane bullying tho, so it was kinda troll.


Talon probly bad, Fiora I'd have to see, you might be able to wait out the silence with the 2nd Q, but E might just raw outtrade anyway.
Carrilord has arrived.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
December 22 2013 20:21 GMT
#3160
CS leads are so meaningless.
Prev 1 156 157 158 159 160 194 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
AI Arena Tournament
02:00
Swiss - Round 4
Laughngamez YouTube
FEL
01:00
ScienceCraft Qualifier
IndyStarCraft 262
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
IndyStarCraft 262
BRAT_OK 65
JuggernautJason33
MindelVK 18
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 25423
Mini 428
Hyuk 192
firebathero 175
ggaemo 131
Dewaltoss 68
Mong 47
Hyun 36
ToSsGirL 22
Dota 2
Gorgc8258
febbydoto6
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor1396
crisheroes1109
Liquid`Hasu781
Other Games
Grubby3089
FrodaN2527
fl0m1042
Beastyqt859
mouzStarbuck214
KnowMe189
Livibee181
ArmadaUGS128
Mew2King55
Trikslyr44
ToD31
Chillindude29
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1008
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream40
[ Show 19 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• printf 74
• StrangeGG 52
• Adnapsc2 16
• LUISG 12
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• blackmanpl 14
• 80smullet 12
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 8833
• WagamamaTV325
Other Games
• imaqtpie602
• Shiphtur313
• tFFMrPink 10
Upcoming Events
BSL: Ladder Tournament
37m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
15h 37m
INu's Battles
17h 37m
herO vs Classic
Percival vs Rogue
Shopify Rebellion Sundays
20h 37m
MilkiCow vs TBD
Clem vs TBD
BSL Open Qualifier
1d
BSL Open Qualifier
1d
Replay Cast
1d 5h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 15h
Rush vs Light
WardiTV Weekly
1d 16h
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 21h
[ Show More ]
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Soma vs Soulkey
INu's Battles
2 days
SHIN vs Cure
ByuN vs Zoun
PiGosaur Cup
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
INu's Battles
4 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-10-02
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Calamity Invitational

Ongoing

ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Acropolis #5 - GSB
Copium Cup
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual

Upcoming

Acropolis #5 - GSC
BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Custodian Cup
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.