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Bisutopia19239 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/pKMwkge.png) North American Challenger League Week 6Day 1Tuesday, Nov 12 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)Day 2Wednesday, Nov 13 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)Day 3Thursday, Nov 14 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)Day 4Friday, Nov 15 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/1QklWn6.png) http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/LoL NACLwiki: http://lol.gamepedia.com/North_American_Challenger_League
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/JigpEJQ.png) vVv is now playing in the place of Infinity OddsDay 1Match 1: Velocity eSports vs COGnitive Gaming Match 2: Infinite Odds vs Gold Gaming LA Match 3: Napkins in Disguise vs To Be Determined Match 4: Curse Academy vs CompLexity Day 2Match 1: Velocity eSports vs Team Coast Match 2: Napkins in Disguise vs CompLexity Match 3: Team Curse vs COGnitive Gaming Match 4: Curse Academy vs Infinite Odds Day 3Match 1: Infinite Odds vs Napkins in Disguise Match 2: Team Coast vs Team Curse Match 3: Curse Academy vs COGnitive Gaming Match 4: To Be Determined vs Gold Gaming LA Day 4Match 1: COGnitive Gaming vs Velocity eSports Match 2: Team Coast vs Napkins in Disguise Match 3: Curse Academy vs CompLexity Match 4: Team Curse vs Infinite Odds
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Match 1: Velocity eSports vs COGnitive Gaming
Match 2: Infinite Odds vs Gold Gaming LA
Match 3: Napkins in Disguise vs To Be Determined
Match 4: Curse Academy vs CompLexity
Match 1: Velocity eSports vs Team Coast
Match 2: Napkins in Disguise vs CompLexity
Match 3: Team Curse vs COGnitive Gaming
Match 4: Curse Academy vs Infinite Odds
Match 1: Infinite Odds vs Napkins in Disguise
Match 2: Team Coast vs Team Curse
Match 3: Curse Academy vs COGnitive Gaming
Match 4: To Be Determined vs Gold Gaming LA
Match 1: COGnitive Gaming vs Velocity eSports
Match 2: Team Coast vs Napkins in Disguise
Match 3: Curse Academy vs CompLexity
Match 4: Team Curse vs Infinite Odds
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/CmtZhqf.png) It's the friggin NACL. Hype 'Nuff.
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Bisutopia19239 Posts
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Made the whole OP in less the 7 minutes. xD
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no Coast today qq
ok I can get down with some Ziggs tho
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GGLA 4/5 subs or roster reshuffle?
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I think thats 5 out of 5 subs lol
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Otter played for them every week but last week
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Otter was off the team, replaced by BobbyHankHill as off last week
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word on the street is this is a permanent shuffle but I can't confirm atm
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Let's defend 2v4 against Jinx and fed Kha'Zix with the no damage potential/threat of Nautilus amongst the 2. ._.
I thought Orianna wasn't doing much past midgame but I just noticed he went for 2 drings+chalice... no wonder he doesn't do shit apart from his ult and shields. And he goes for Deathcap over Void Staff. :/
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Pobelter gets caught, the throws.
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Sounds like it is a new ggLA roster, or at least inferring from the casting. They could be grossly wrong ofc.
If that is the case, where did the old roster go...
Also, lol Yugioh opening. I forgot this, it's been so long.
ITS TIME TO DUDUDUDUDUDDUEL
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Casters: Jax fell off because people started to pick anti-Jax top laners.
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with Rengar in the game? lol
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On November 12 2013 12:36 Slusher wrote:
with Rengar in the game? lol
3 AD laners, so yeah, it's odd (depends on the pick order, wasn't paying attention). Also, it's Westrice.
To my knowledge, Rengar vs Jax is a skill matchup (like alot Jax matchups, Jax loses pre-6 pretty hard, can beat Rengar post-6: but by then, Rengar is going to roam because he's Rengar).
Also, a Wriggles Lantern? In my SR? And on a top lane?
What is this, S1/2?
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lol what the fuck was that turn
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thresh predicted the kass rift walk and hooked him immediately i think NiD couldve turned that if kass gibbed lucian
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On November 12 2013 12:41 Lord Tolkien wrote:3 AD laners, so yeah, it's odd (depends on the pick order, wasn't paying attention). Also, it's Westrice. To my knowledge, Rengar vs Jax is a skill matchup (like alot Jax matchups, Jax loses pre-6 pretty hard, can beat Rengar post-6: but by then, Rengar is going to roam because he's Rengar). Also, a Wriggles Lantern? In my SR? And on a top lane? What is this, S1/2?
It's one of Rengars worst match ups, not that that says much.
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On November 12 2013 13:17 Slusher wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2013 12:41 Lord Tolkien wrote:On November 12 2013 12:36 Slusher wrote:
with Rengar in the game? lol 3 AD laners, so yeah, it's odd (depends on the pick order, wasn't paying attention). Also, it's Westrice. To my knowledge, Rengar vs Jax is a skill matchup (like alot Jax matchups, Jax loses pre-6 pretty hard, can beat Rengar post-6: but by then, Rengar is going to roam because he's Rengar). Also, a Wriggles Lantern? In my SR? And on a top lane? What is this, S1/2? It's one of Rengars worst match ups, not that that says much.
Not experienced with the matchup (don't play either), but I'd say Fiora's worse :p. Can't remember the pick order, but it if Aatrox was picked afterwards, I'm wondering why Aatrox over Jax, outside of champion pool and unfamiliarity with the matchup.
Also, these Pyroclasms. Watching Chuuper take the lantern only to allow a chain Pyroclasm between him and MeyeA was hilarious.
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NA LCS Baron throw?
NA LCS Baron throw.
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On November 12 2013 13:58 Amethyst21 wrote:
NA LCS Baron throw?
NA LCS Baron throw.
Very salty Baron throw.
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Time for the reveal of the new VES team. 
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And it is not the old ggLA as I had thought lol. The return of the best dolphin NA though!
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Ecko and Ecco on the same team lol.
don't like putting Zion on Nasus, mabye trying to display team gamplan diversity? Nasus + Ziggs is kinda dumb for siege.
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or he plays Nasus as a split pusher lol, NACL confirmed for Zion playground.
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What's the new VES roster? Just tuned in. looks like I'll have to find a new favorite team :[
edit: ecKo says ecco was just subbing today btw. was it billyboss/yoda/ecco/ecko/atomicn?
On November 13 2013 10:44 Slusher wrote:
or he plays Nasus as a split pusher lol, NACL confirmed for Zion playground.
nasus best splitpush -sycho sid
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It is Denial.East + Ecco. Dont know if its final though. Casters called them sub roster.
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sub roster it is. guitar didn't even have a real roster prepared before releasing his dudes
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I mean looking at the mechanics of the champion (mainly that Q works on towers) it makes sense, but typically teams don't play him that way, and split pushers they do run have mobility.
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Nasus pushes hard with E, destroys towers with Q, and his a stupidly strong 1v1 that very few champions can beat straight-up (no mage can) and you don't want to kite him while tickling when he's wailing on your tower.
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I'm kinda surprised Cheesedbaluga is challenger, his game impact in this league has been pretty minimal.
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all his games? or just this one?
though i guess i don't have an opinion on him. :/
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he had a game on Kha'zix where he carried pretty hard, every other game he's gotten tooled in lane regardless of opponent.
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what just happened pretty much just sums up my feelings on the matter.
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Crs putting Zion behind with the 2v1 into camp, how will Coast react?
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On November 14 2013 11:21 Slusher wrote:
Crs putting Zion behind with the 2v1 into camp, how will Coast react?
Doesnt matter doge too stronk.
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Have Coast finally managed to harness their talent, finally? Thats scary news for the LCS teams
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Shiphter's Ziggs is making me a fan.
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Bisutopia19239 Posts
Coast is way to good for this league. Easy money for them.
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On November 14 2013 11:39 Amethyst21 wrote:
Have Coast finally managed to harness their talent, finally? Thats scary news for the LCS teams
The have looked good the whole post season. Especially Shiphtur. Dunno how much that says for next LCS season though (if they get there) as the game will be quite different then.
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Damn coast just crushed curse, that ziggs play was nice to watch. Cop and zekent had a terrible game after the first 15 minutes.
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yea they look super good, and Curse is actually a decent barometer which is nice, but the reality is Zion is so much better than every other top in the salt mines it's impossible to be sure if they really have improved, because when Zion got a big lead in LCS games Coast also won, it's just LCS teams actually had the ability game plan against him(and have it work)
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also I love listening to Stuido, even if he gets thing wrong from time to time, I think he adds value to the game, I always turn mute off on Studio nights.
ok love is a strong word, but it's pretty good.
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Btw so stupid that they play awesome music during the ad breaks. It is like they try to force you to activate adblock.
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no adds tonight anyway, thanks to world of airplanes or something.
also lol at the no item start, we've all done it once.
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On November 14 2013 12:15 Slusher wrote:
no adds tonight anyway, thanks to world of airplanes or something.
also lol at the no item start, we've all done it once.
For me there are ads.
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On November 14 2013 12:12 Redox wrote:
Btw so stupid that they play awesome music during the ad breaks. It is like they try to force you to activate adblock.
Let's get down to business, to DEFEAT, the HUNS....
Yeah, I know. The playlist is epic.
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On November 14 2013 11:45 Slusher wrote:
yea they look super good, and Curse is actually a decent barometer which is nice, but the reality is Zion is so much better than every other top in the salt mines it's impossible to be sure if they really have improved, because when Zion got a big lead in LCS games Coast also won, it's just LCS teams actually had the ability game plan against him(and have it work)
You think Zions is that far ahead of Voy/Quas?
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Quas was given every advantage in last nights game, he was playing a lane dominator (Renekton), got the superior 1v2 (he got a kill) and then when lanes went even up, Dominate came straight top and gave him a kill on to Zion, and Zion was still significantly bigger when the game ended.
Voyboy isn't really a top anymore and his mid champions outside of Kass have been ho hum so far, if Voy was playing a top champion vs. Zion then it might get interesting.
edit: to be fair Shiphter playing as well as he did, and conveniently being Ziggs allowed Zion to Freeze without his team really getting punished for it but at the same time Quas really handled his time poorly during this time, he didn't really pressure Zion at the tower at one point he roamed mid like he was going to gank then just walked back without doing anything, like Renekton and Syndra should have teemed up to either dive Ziggs or Dive Nasus but instead they pretty much did nothing.
I just don't know if Quas was an upgrade for Curse when Voyboy moving to mid is taken into the equation.
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First of not every game anyone plays is great. Also Quas does not have that much pro experience compared to his competitors. But judging by how good he is already, you can guess there is a lot of potential.
Just from watching Quas play on his stream I was very impressed. Actually it reminded me a little of the first time I watched Stephano from first person. I think it was the ease of play, the fluidity or whatever it is called. Meteos is also similar.
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former VES subbing for VES?
I stand by my opinion that Zion is the best top lane player in the salt mines and it isn't especially close, thats not to say quas is bad (spoilers: he's obviously not) I just don't see it as a debatable issue, you can chalk up last nights game as a bad game, and while that certainly fair, your team putting you in a position to have a cs + 2 kill advantage in lane you NEED to pay them back with game impact to make it worth, and I firmly believe Zion would have done that.
TL;DR when you game plan to give a player on your team an advantage over his direct lane opponent, the best players give you that ROI
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oh Maplestreet tryout for Coast, I like.
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On November 15 2013 10:58 Slusher wrote:
oh Maplestreet tryout for Coast, I like.
Yeah like him much better than Chaox. :D
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On November 14 2013 12:52 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Yeah, I know. The playlist is epic.
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I really need to interact with TL more often. I'm pretty much sticking to reddit / twitter, but coming back to my roots has a good feeling to it 
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i think wizfujin is pretty dam good
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I'm not able to make the LR today  . Ill make it tomorrow. Sorry guys!
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Wiz seems like their best tryout so far, tho I would not mind maplestreet getting another chance, he was not that good in their game they used him however.
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they must just not have a jungle sub.
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This NiD vs CrsA game is quite entertaining. :D
Best Leblanc mirror juke I have seen in along time.
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75 kills in 33 minutes. :D :D :D
Is this some kind of record?
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Innox just got d-d-d-deleted
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On November 19 2013 13:12 Redox wrote:
75 kills in 33 minutes. :D :D :D
Is this some kind of record?
they were inspired by Jin Air vs. Xenics apparently
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On November 19 2013 13:15 xes wrote:
Innox just got d-d-d-deleted
so was that a bug or just a coincidence where all the damage was done in like one frame?
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On November 19 2013 13:27 Schmieds wrote:so was that a bug or just a coincidence where all the damage was done in like one frame?
Yeah, there's a bug where Syndra deals double damage in an E-Q combo.
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bee sin = Nathaniel Bee I assume?
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no, nathaniel bee =/= bee sin
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Seriously, my mind is melting. Renek starts dshield against a poppy and on his first back gets a cloth armor. I admit that I haven't played more than just a few arams in the past couple of months but I can not imagine the nerfs that would've had to happen for that to make sense to me.
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I don't see what's wrong with the dshield? The cloth armor makes no sense but I don't see exactly what's so wrong with a dshield when the passive is still going to be in use against Poppy.
Nickwu's build on jungle Aatrox is way worse.
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On November 20 2013 12:52 koreasilver wrote:
I don't see what's wrong with the dshield? The cloth armor makes no sense but I don't see exactly what's so wrong with a dshield when the passive is still going to be in use against Poppy.
It only makes sense to me if you plan on playing passively against the Poppy... but I don't know why you ever would. Her weakness is her terrible laning phase so playing passively with the dshield just seems like you're playing right into her hands.
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Starting with dshield doesn't mean that you're going to play passively. You can play very, very aggressive with dshield. The passive, the health regen, and the potion allows you to trade and sustain through it. It's safe and flexible as an opening item. Like what else would you start with on Renekton? Dblade is a risky and red-elixer is even riskier. Rejuv-pots-ward could work, but why would you over dshield in a Renekton vs Poppy lane? You're not going to say that the standard Renekton sunfire/sv build means you're going to play "defensive". I missed the first 10 minutes of the game so I dunno how exactly it is that Poppy destroyed Renekton so hard in lane but dshield was probably not a part of the problem.
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On November 20 2013 13:03 koreasilver wrote:
Starting with dshield doesn't mean that you're going to play passively. You can play very, very aggressive with dshield. The passive, the health regen, and the potion allows you to trade and sustain through it. It's safe and flexible as an opening item. Like what else would you start with on Renekton? Dblade is a risky and red-elixer is even riskier. Rejuv-pots-ward could work, but why would you over dshield in a Renekton vs Poppy lane? You're not going to say that the standard Renekton sunfire/sv build means you're going to play "defensive". I missed the first 10 minutes of the game so I dunno how exactly it is that Poppy destroyed Renekton so hard in lane but dshield was probably not a part of the problem.
I'd open either some weird concoction w/ a ward so I could shove her under turret hard or dblade. Your goal should be continual harassment and damage on the poppy so she is forced to burn her flask at an uncomfortable rate. Make her miss cs or also spend mana to do so. The fact that without any jungle intervention (to my recollection) after the first few minutes poppy was pulling well ahead in cs is just something that should never happen.
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bless cpt. ziploc's soul
edit: he died again
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On November 20 2013 13:28 I_Love_Bacon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 13:03 koreasilver wrote:
Starting with dshield doesn't mean that you're going to play passively. You can play very, very aggressive with dshield. The passive, the health regen, and the potion allows you to trade and sustain through it. It's safe and flexible as an opening item. Like what else would you start with on Renekton? Dblade is a risky and red-elixer is even riskier. Rejuv-pots-ward could work, but why would you over dshield in a Renekton vs Poppy lane? You're not going to say that the standard Renekton sunfire/sv build means you're going to play "defensive". I missed the first 10 minutes of the game so I dunno how exactly it is that Poppy destroyed Renekton so hard in lane but dshield was probably not a part of the problem. I'd open either some weird concoction w/ a ward so I could shove her under turret hard or dblade. Your goal should be continual harassment and damage on the poppy so she is forced to burn her flask at an uncomfortable rate. Make her miss cs or also spend mana to do so. The fact that without any jungle intervention (to my recollection) after the first few minutes poppy was pulling well ahead in cs is just something that should never happen.
Renekton's base damages are so high that you really can harass continually just with arpen marks and ad quints. Dshield doesn't stop you from doing that in pretty much any single lane. Renekton is one of my most played champs and so I have a lot of personal experience with this. Again, I missed the first 10 minutes so I dunno what happened in game, but dshield doesn't stop you from being aggressive at all. If anything, dshield allows you to be more aggressive than dblade because you are able to get out of tricky situations better and recover from fuckups. The passive from dshield gives you more sustain than dblade too, and this is a lot more pronounced on champs like Renekton that aren't auto reliant.
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[All] iDream (Renekton): gg noob mid and jungle keep feeding in my lane
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Why iDream keeps going this brusier nidalee build when AP Nidalee is amazingly OP is beyond me.
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On November 20 2013 13:41 koreasilver wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 13:28 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On November 20 2013 13:03 koreasilver wrote:
Starting with dshield doesn't mean that you're going to play passively. You can play very, very aggressive with dshield. The passive, the health regen, and the potion allows you to trade and sustain through it. It's safe and flexible as an opening item. Like what else would you start with on Renekton? Dblade is a risky and red-elixer is even riskier. Rejuv-pots-ward could work, but why would you over dshield in a Renekton vs Poppy lane? You're not going to say that the standard Renekton sunfire/sv build means you're going to play "defensive". I missed the first 10 minutes of the game so I dunno how exactly it is that Poppy destroyed Renekton so hard in lane but dshield was probably not a part of the problem. I'd open either some weird concoction w/ a ward so I could shove her under turret hard or dblade. Your goal should be continual harassment and damage on the poppy so she is forced to burn her flask at an uncomfortable rate. Make her miss cs or also spend mana to do so. The fact that without any jungle intervention (to my recollection) after the first few minutes poppy was pulling well ahead in cs is just something that should never happen. Renekton's base damages are so high that you really can harass continually just with arpen marks and ad quints. Dshield doesn't stop you from doing that in pretty much any single lane. Renekton is one of my most played champs and so I have a lot of personal experience with this. Again, I missed the first 10 minutes so I dunno what happened in game, but dshield doesn't stop you from being aggressive at all. If anything, dshield allows you to be more aggressive than dblade because you are able to get out of tricky situations better and recover from fuckups. The passive from dshield gives you more sustain than dblade too, and this is a lot more pronounced on champs like Renekton that aren't auto reliant.
Renekton has been my best champ for around a year. Congrats on enjoying a good champion.
Your argument seems more focused on dshield as a broad starter than against poppy. Poppy is a unique laner and opponent. In most cases I have no qualms about starting dshield w/ pots as it is viable against most opponents. However, here it doesn't serve you as well rejuv/pot/ward. Poppy can be a lane threat early in some cases but going flask means it's virtually non-existent kill potential unless you take a crazy amount of excess damage. You want the ward to shove into her non-stop and force her to spend mana cs'ing where poppy doesn't excel under the turret because she's still easy to harass when she tries.
Ultimately, however, this particular game had more to do with Bee being straight up outplayed hard enough that his item choice never would've made a difference.
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how in the world does rejuv-pots-ward give you anymore kill potential than dshield? you're not really giving any argument. you're going to be shoving lane as a renekton against poppy regardless of what you start with.
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if Coast does not requalify for the LCS at this point I'm going to be heart broken.
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On November 21 2013 11:27 Slusher wrote:
if Coast does not requalify for the LCS at this point I'm going to be heart broken.
Anything else than them qualifying is just unimaginable. NACL shows again how huge the skill differences are between mid-tier LCS and most challenger teams. In a way it is suprising given that these players meet each other daily in soloQ.
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On November 21 2013 12:10 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 11:27 Slusher wrote:
if Coast does not requalify for the LCS at this point I'm going to be heart broken. Anything else is just unimaginable. NACL shows again how huge the skill differences are between mid-tier LCS and most challenger teams. In a way it is suprising given that these players meet each other daily in soloQ.
Whoops whoops sorry wrong thread.
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LOL, that Mashme flash in.
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Live2Win
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damn that was a good game
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On November 21 2013 14:06 Live2Win wrote:
damn that was a good game
The mashme yolo flash still has me in tears. Playmaking attempt failed.
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how in the fuck is Zion not on the all star team what a fraud.
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Dat Twitch chat when Sandstorm comes on.... Wow.
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EPT
