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On September 02 2013 03:02 UmberBane wrote:Hey you shouldn't judge the level of NA support play based on a challenger game though.  Xpecial seems pretty beastly even by international standards
Compare him to the KR supports. He's not bad but he's still mediocre compared to Mafa, Mata, Madlife.... KR supports are just another level.
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On September 02 2013 03:12 ImmortalTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 03:02 UmberBane wrote:On September 02 2013 03:01 Volband wrote: NA supports are... bad. Hey you shouldn't judge the level of NA support play based on a challenger game though.  Xpecial seems pretty beastly even by international standards Compare him to the KR supports. He's not bad but he's still mediocre compared to Mafa, Mata, Madlife.... KR supports are just another level.
The Xpecial/Doublelift bot lane at Allstars looked pretty strong by ANY standards.
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On September 02 2013 02:59 wei2coolman wrote:Poll: Most uselesskiwikid (6) 55% zuna (3) 27% chuuper (2) 18% 11 total votes Your vote: Most useless (Vote): kiwikid (Vote): zuna (Vote): chuuper
Tough choice...
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On September 02 2013 03:12 ImmortalTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 03:02 UmberBane wrote:On September 02 2013 03:01 Volband wrote: NA supports are... bad. Hey you shouldn't judge the level of NA support play based on a challenger game though.  Xpecial seems pretty beastly even by international standards Compare him to the KR supports. He's not bad but he's still mediocre compared to Mafa, Mata, Madlife.... KR supports are just another level.
Poor Cain, went from being the only support close to MadLife's level to not even being mentioned
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That was maybe one of the worst dives i've ever seen in competitive play.
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On September 02 2013 03:14 bokchoi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 03:12 ImmortalTofu wrote:On September 02 2013 03:02 UmberBane wrote:On September 02 2013 03:01 Volband wrote: NA supports are... bad. Hey you shouldn't judge the level of NA support play based on a challenger game though.  Xpecial seems pretty beastly even by international standards Compare him to the KR supports. He's not bad but he's still mediocre compared to Mafa, Mata, Madlife.... KR supports are just another level. Poor Cain, went from being the only support close to MadLife's level to not even being mentioned Same for pray, briefly the best bot in Korea but now forgotten.
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On September 02 2013 03:15 Amethyst21 wrote: That was maybe one of the worst dives i've ever seen in competitive play.
Yeah.
The way you close a professional game vs. a solo queue game remains the biggest hurdle for teams wishing to break into the LCS.
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it's really hard to rank KR supports omg, everyone on Tofu's list is good, and he dosen't even have Mandu, Lustboy or aWolf on there.
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On September 02 2013 03:12 ImmortalTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 03:02 UmberBane wrote:On September 02 2013 03:01 Volband wrote: NA supports are... bad. Hey you shouldn't judge the level of NA support play based on a challenger game though.  Xpecial seems pretty beastly even by international standards Compare him to the KR supports. He's not bad but he's still mediocre compared to Mafa, Mata, Madlife.... KR supports are just another level.
As you said, they're on another level (especially Mata has been getting really close to Madlife level of support play), so the comparison wouldn't be that fair. I just meant by "international standards" that the top NA supports don't particularly stick out as below average or even bad, and Xpecial showed at All Stars that he can more than hold his own against the very best.
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I'm really hoping Dignitas can beat Vulcan for the third place spot but I am doubtful. Wish I could watch it live though, I gotta work T_T
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geez if complexity gets back into lcs, I think they'll end up last place again
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On September 02 2013 03:12 ImmortalTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 03:02 UmberBane wrote:On September 02 2013 03:01 Volband wrote: NA supports are... bad. Hey you shouldn't judge the level of NA support play based on a challenger game though.  Xpecial seems pretty beastly even by international standards Compare him to the KR supports. He's not bad but he's still mediocre compared to Mafa, Mata, Madlife.... KR supports are just another level. Mandu??? so sad... won OGN, beating both Mafa and Mata's teams, wins support kda award, doesn't even get mentioned.
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On September 02 2013 03:19 jtbem wrote: geez if complexity gets back into lcs, I think they'll end up last place again
someones gotta be in the last...
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On September 02 2013 03:19 jtbem wrote: geez if complexity gets back into lcs, I think they'll end up last place again
they still would have to beat VES/Coast/Curse, not seeing it.
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On September 02 2013 03:20 Kiett wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 03:12 ImmortalTofu wrote:On September 02 2013 03:02 UmberBane wrote:On September 02 2013 03:01 Volband wrote: NA supports are... bad. Hey you shouldn't judge the level of NA support play based on a challenger game though.  Xpecial seems pretty beastly even by international standards Compare him to the KR supports. He's not bad but he's still mediocre compared to Mafa, Mata, Madlife.... KR supports are just another level. Mandu??? so sad... won OGN, beating both Mafa and Mata's teams, doesn't even get mentioned. Mafa, mata, madlife, mandu. I think I'm sensing a pattern amongst Korean supports. CJB.Mustboy and NJBS.Main incoming.
On September 02 2013 03:21 Slusher wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 03:19 jtbem wrote: geez if complexity gets back into lcs, I think they'll end up last place again they still would have to beat VES/Coast/Curse, not seeing it. Could see complexity take VES but I think coast will probably pick coL and leave TBD for VES.
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On September 02 2013 03:20 Kiett wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 03:12 ImmortalTofu wrote:On September 02 2013 03:02 UmberBane wrote:On September 02 2013 03:01 Volband wrote: NA supports are... bad. Hey you shouldn't judge the level of NA support play based on a challenger game though.  Xpecial seems pretty beastly even by international standards Compare him to the KR supports. He's not bad but he's still mediocre compared to Mafa, Mata, Madlife.... KR supports are just another level. Mandu??? so sad... won OGN, beating both Mafa and Mata's teams, doesn't even get mentioned.
Is there any sick Korean support that doesn't start with M? He played so beautifully at the Summer finals though!
Well Poohmandu may technically not start with M lol T_T
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On September 02 2013 03:21 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 03:20 Kiett wrote:On September 02 2013 03:12 ImmortalTofu wrote:On September 02 2013 03:02 UmberBane wrote:On September 02 2013 03:01 Volband wrote: NA supports are... bad. Hey you shouldn't judge the level of NA support play based on a challenger game though.  Xpecial seems pretty beastly even by international standards Compare him to the KR supports. He's not bad but he's still mediocre compared to Mafa, Mata, Madlife.... KR supports are just another level. Mandu??? so sad... won OGN, beating both Mafa and Mata's teams, doesn't even get mentioned. Mafa, mata, madlife, mandu. I think I'm sensing a pattern amongst Korean supports. CJB.Mustboy and NJBS.Main incoming. Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 03:21 Slusher wrote:On September 02 2013 03:19 jtbem wrote: geez if complexity gets back into lcs, I think they'll end up last place again they still would have to beat VES/Coast/Curse, not seeing it. Could see complexity take VES but I think coast will probably pick coL and leave TBD for VES.
I still think TBD is the scarier team, more erratic sure, Col is more consistent but consistently worse than the teams they have to beat to get into the LCS.
@umberbane Wolf from CTU omg
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On September 02 2013 03:21 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 03:20 Kiett wrote:On September 02 2013 03:12 ImmortalTofu wrote:On September 02 2013 03:02 UmberBane wrote:On September 02 2013 03:01 Volband wrote: NA supports are... bad. Hey you shouldn't judge the level of NA support play based on a challenger game though.  Xpecial seems pretty beastly even by international standards Compare him to the KR supports. He's not bad but he's still mediocre compared to Mafa, Mata, Madlife.... KR supports are just another level. Mandu??? so sad... won OGN, beating both Mafa and Mata's teams, doesn't even get mentioned. Mafa, mata, madlife, mandu. I think I'm sensing a pattern amongst Korean supports. CJB.Mustboy and NJBS.Main incoming. It's not just the M! Also needs an A after 
inc Blaze Mastboy imo
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On September 02 2013 03:21 Slusher wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 03:19 jtbem wrote: geez if complexity gets back into lcs, I think they'll end up last place again they still would have to beat VES/Coast/Curse, not seeing it.
To be the worst, wooooooo, you've got to beat the worst.
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I don't know why but for some reason mastboy sounds even dirtier than lustboy
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