• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 12:30
CEST 18:30
KST 01:30
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins EWC 202533Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 202510Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202580RSL Season 1 - Final Week9[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15
Community News
[BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder8EWC 2025 - Replay Pack4Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced50BSL Team Wars - Bonyth, Dewalt, Hawk & Sziky teams10Weekly Cups (July 14-20): Final Check-up0
StarCraft 2
General
Serral wins EWC 2025 The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 2025 Classic: "It's a thick wall to break through to become world champ" Firefly given lifetime ban by ESIC following match-fixing investigation
Tourneys
LiuLi Cup Weeklies and Monthlies Info Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) TaeJa vs Creator Bo7 SC Evo Showmatch Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $10,000 live event
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 484 Magnetic Pull Mutation #239 Bad Weather Mutation # 483 Kill Bot Wars Mutation # 482 Wheel of Misfortune
Brood War
General
Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced Which top zerg/toss will fail in qualifiers? BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ 2025 Season 2 Ladder map pool Flash Announces (and Retracts) Hiatus From ASL
Tourneys
[ASL20] Online Qualifiers Day 1 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL] Non-Korean Championship - Final weekend
Strategy
[G] Mineral Boosting Muta micro map competition Does 1 second matter in StarCraft? Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Beyond All Reason Total Annihilation Server - TAForever [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok)
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Canadian Politics Mega-thread Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Korean Music Discussion
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2025 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Gtx660 graphics card replacement Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale The Automated Ban List
Blogs
ASL S20 English Commentary…
namkraft
The Link Between Fitness and…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Socialism Anyone?
GreenHorizons
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 703 users

[NA LCS] Summer Week 8 - Page 86

Forum Index > LoL Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 84 85 86 87 Next
Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-03 07:00:43
August 03 2013 06:58 GMT
#1701
On August 03 2013 15:15 nojitosunrise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2013 14:49 Kinie wrote:
Anyone have an idea why the video is stuttering at like 6:31:00 on twitch when I go into the archives? It's really disheartening, cause even if the games are bad I'd like to watch them so I can learn what to (or not to) do.


you try the youtube or azubu vod?


Haven't tried youtube just yet, and I try to avoid azubu as much as I can, so...

Edit: youtube one works fine, but it's currently at 240p, so...
Kuja900
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3564 Posts
August 03 2013 07:34 GMT
#1702
On August 03 2013 15:42 Gahlo wrote:
I'm ready for this split to be over. TSM is playing like shit and C9's games are too boring for me to care to root in. OGN pls...


C9 games were fun when teams actually looked remotely competitive with them now its just anal rape after anal rape, they have truly exposed how pathetic the NA scene really is sans them.
OMG you nasty gurl
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
August 03 2013 12:56 GMT
#1703
--- Nuked ---
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35147 Posts
August 03 2013 13:13 GMT
#1704
On August 03 2013 21:56 krndandaman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2013 16:34 Kuja900 wrote:
On August 03 2013 15:42 Gahlo wrote:
I'm ready for this split to be over. TSM is playing like shit and C9's games are too boring for me to care to root in. OGN pls...


C9 games were fun when teams actually looked remotely competitive with them now its just anal rape after anal rape, they have truly exposed how pathetic the NA scene really is sans them.


I think viewers lately rather than feel awe at c9's level of play, experience more disappointment at the level of their opponents. Which is sad to say the least..

I feel sad for the casters that have to try and make the games interesting. Not even Riv deserves that.
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
August 04 2013 04:29 GMT
#1705
On August 03 2013 12:47 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2013 12:30 onlywonderboy wrote:
On August 03 2013 12:28 upperbound wrote:
Every time I realize that, most likely, one of Dig/CLG/Crs/TSM is still going to worlds, a little part of me dies.

Won't be Curse. Could still just be C9 and Vulcun.

WTB good curse. Nyjacky has been so underwhelming this split. Obviously he's not the reason curse is losing so terribly, but I seriously think he has the potential to play full carry mid. But he seriously doesn't play that way. With voyboys champ pool nerfed to hell, I would think they would rotate to allow jacky to carry.


They still play like it was last split where they had solid decision making and team fighting compared to the other teams. Saint could go balls deep because the comps they picked fit and people followed up. Now its like Ok Saint is diving in when no one is in position again..... their communication and their questionable drafting this split is just depressing. Even when they win they tend to give up free objectives for no reason. The game vs TSM this week that they lost a prime example, they were winning and could have been methodical (you know like they were last split early on) and won but then they went balls deep and got their ass kicked and let TSM snowball it into their favor for the win.
Never Knows Best.
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
August 04 2013 05:25 GMT
#1706
They execute the big Korean strats and dominate yo.
/人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\ Make a contract with me and join TLADT | Onodera isn't actually a girl, she's just a doormat you walk over to get to the girl. - Numy 2015
Deftscythe
Profile Joined February 2011
United States228 Posts
August 04 2013 08:40 GMT
#1707
On August 03 2013 12:47 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2013 12:30 onlywonderboy wrote:
On August 03 2013 12:28 upperbound wrote:
Every time I realize that, most likely, one of Dig/CLG/Crs/TSM is still going to worlds, a little part of me dies.

Won't be Curse. Could still just be C9 and Vulcun.

WTB good curse. Nyjacky has been so underwhelming this split. Obviously he's not the reason curse is losing so terribly, but I seriously think he has the potential to play full carry mid. But he seriously doesn't play that way. With voyboys champ pool nerfed to hell, I would think they would rotate to allow jacky to carry.


I'm not so sure Jacky is up to that, to be honest. Jacky is a lot like dyrus, imo. He will usually go even in lane, and do his job in teamfights, but will only occasionally carry with the right champs(Jayce for Dyrus, TF or Lux for Jacky). I remember someone from another team in one of the leaguepedia interviews saying this was basically Crs' problem, no one on their team can be counted on to consistently carry. This was true toward the end of last split too but that was before Saint somehow lost all his decision-making ability and was making up for his team's mediocre laning with good skirmishes and early objectives.

I feel like, in time, Cop and Edward could become the carry duo that the team needs, and maybe with the pressure off Saint could fix whatever has gone wrong with him, and Jacky would feel more free to step up, but that's much more long term than this split.
ExoFun
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2041 Posts
August 07 2013 10:02 GMT
#1708
I also feel the instant ban of Rumble in C9 matches makes the NA handicapped. Its already banned 17 times vs 0 bans in EU/OGN.

So can we say by this fact that the pick and ban phase of NA is lackluster?
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
August 07 2013 22:15 GMT
#1709
On August 07 2013 19:02 ExoFun wrote:
I also feel the instant ban of Rumble in C9 matches makes the NA handicapped. Its already banned 17 times vs 0 bans in EU/OGN.

So can we say by this fact that the pick and ban phase of NA is lackluster?

I'm not sure what kind of conclusion you're drawing from the Rumble bans. In EU, Rumble has been picked twice all season and has a 50% win rate. It has a lot more to do with EU Top Lanes that don't know how to/don't find the appeal of Rumble. Balls is sick with Rumble, so targeted are completely understandable and even warranted. Equalizer is that fucking good.

I'm not sure how you're jumping to "lackluster" off of the consistent bans of one champion. If anything, EU/KR teams should be scouting and noticing C9's proficiency with Rumble.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
caelym
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6421 Posts
August 07 2013 22:27 GMT
#1710
lolwut. what's with the Rumble hate? Equalizer wins teamfights by itself. Also Rumble isn't just C9's champ; TSM has been playing Rumble for a long time.. If anything NA's drafting and meta is ahead of every other region except Korea.
bnet: caelym#1470 | Twitter: @caelym
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
August 07 2013 22:38 GMT
#1711
On August 08 2013 07:27 caelym wrote:
lolwut. what's with the Rumble hate? Equalizer wins teamfights by itself. Also Rumble isn't just C9's champ; TSM has been playing Rumble for a long time.. If anything NA's drafting and meta is ahead of every other region except Korea.

1. Dyrus has never played Rumble anywhere close to the level Balls has. Dyrus' Jayce is distinctively better.
2. l0l, let's not get carried away here. NA drafting is still pretty horrendous across the board. I will credit NA for picking out a strong pick in Rumble. Then again, EU/KR have been utilizing Lissandra very often and with good results. NA, not so much. So we can chalk this off to regional playstyles.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Zato-1
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Chile4253 Posts
August 07 2013 22:43 GMT
#1712
So, I have a question...

NeoIllusions wrote:
The top five teams at the end of playoffs will return in the spring split next year while the No. 6 team may face relegation in the spring 2014 promotion tournament.

http://na.lolesports.com/season3/split2/articles/na-lcs-bracketology-0

Does this mean that, after Spring and now Summer splits are over, competitive LoL takes a 6-month vacation during autumn and winter for NA and EU?
Go here http://vina.biobiochile.cl/ and input the Konami Code (up up down down left right left right B A)
caelym
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6421 Posts
August 07 2013 22:44 GMT
#1713
We can agree to disagree. Just because NA doesn't value some OP (*cough*TF*cough*) champions to focus drafting around them, doesn't mean the drafting itself is bad. Teams are generally very good at preparing drafts vs specific teams.
bnet: caelym#1470 | Twitter: @caelym
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
August 08 2013 02:18 GMT
#1714
TF is even dropping down from 'always ban or pick never not ban or pick' in Korea as we speak. It's not the undefeatable monster it used to be, both due to nerfs and due to adaptations by players.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
August 09 2013 02:17 GMT
#1715
EU tops are terrible. I wouldnt worry about what they do.
Freeeeeeedom
ExoFun
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2041 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-09 03:37:06
August 09 2013 03:36 GMT
#1716
On August 08 2013 07:15 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2013 19:02 ExoFun wrote:
I also feel the instant ban of Rumble in C9 matches makes the NA handicapped. Its already banned 17 times vs 0 bans in EU/OGN.

So can we say by this fact that the pick and ban phase of NA is lackluster?

I'm not sure what kind of conclusion you're drawing from the Rumble bans. In EU, Rumble has been picked twice all season and has a 50% win rate. It has a lot more to do with EU Top Lanes that don't know how to/don't find the appeal of Rumble. Balls is sick with Rumble, so targeted are completely understandable and even warranted. Equalizer is that fucking good.

I'm not sure how you're jumping to "lackluster" off of the consistent bans of one champion. If anything, EU/KR teams should be scouting and noticing C9's proficiency with Rumble.

Rumble is not OP and you can play vs it and win (Anybody know why PDD doesnt play it anymore @ LPL). But mostly i say its lackluster for give it a ban in the ban phase because not only C9 have good ingame teamfighting but the are also winning most of their games because of their ban/pick phase.

And i think the only way for NA teams to win vs c9 to have overall better ban/pick phase and to have a broader and unpredictable teamcomps.

On August 09 2013 11:17 cLutZ wrote:
EU tops are terrible. I wouldnt worry about what they do.

Soaz and Zorozero huehue
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
August 09 2013 04:02 GMT
#1717
On August 08 2013 11:18 sylverfyre wrote:
TF is even dropping down from 'always ban or pick never not ban or pick' in Korea as we speak. It's not the undefeatable monster it used to be, both due to nerfs and due to adaptations by players.

TF is countered by ahri. That's why. Watch cj blaze vs kt b. The game 1, and then the ensuing drafts.
liftlift > tsm
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
August 09 2013 04:21 GMT
#1718
On August 09 2013 12:36 ExoFun wrote:

Show nested quote +
On August 09 2013 11:17 cLutZ wrote:
EU tops are terrible. I wouldnt worry about what they do.

Soaz and Zorozero huehue


Hue.

On August 09 2013 13:02 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2013 11:18 sylverfyre wrote:
TF is even dropping down from 'always ban or pick never not ban or pick' in Korea as we speak. It's not the undefeatable monster it used to be, both due to nerfs and due to adaptations by players.

TF is countered by ahri. That's why. Watch cj blaze vs kt b. The game 1, and then the ensuing drafts.


Dont forget the un-glitched Fizz. Fizz makes ur day terribad.
Freeeeeeedom
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
August 09 2013 04:33 GMT
#1719
On August 09 2013 13:02 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2013 11:18 sylverfyre wrote:
TF is even dropping down from 'always ban or pick never not ban or pick' in Korea as we speak. It's not the undefeatable monster it used to be, both due to nerfs and due to adaptations by players.

TF is countered by ahri. That's why. Watch cj blaze vs kt b. The game 1, and then the ensuing drafts.

The ironic part comes when NA actually used Ahri to shut down TF systematically a bit before Korea became more comfortable with not banning him, although it says more about NA TF's inability to deal with Ahri and/or Korea's need of side countermeasures to accompany the Ahri pick with a strong mid-late game follow-up than anything.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
ExoFun
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2041 Posts
August 09 2013 10:40 GMT
#1720
On August 09 2013 13:33 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2013 13:02 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 08 2013 11:18 sylverfyre wrote:
TF is even dropping down from 'always ban or pick never not ban or pick' in Korea as we speak. It's not the undefeatable monster it used to be, both due to nerfs and due to adaptations by players.

TF is countered by ahri. That's why. Watch cj blaze vs kt b. The game 1, and then the ensuing drafts.

The ironic part comes when NA actually used Ahri to shut down TF systematically a bit before Korea became more comfortable with not banning him, although it says more about NA TF's inability to deal with Ahri and/or Korea's need of side countermeasures to accompany the Ahri pick with a strong mid-late game follow-up than anything.

Or just pick Fizz vs it. Hope to see some fizz in NA.
Prev 1 84 85 86 87 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV European League
16:00
Playoffs Day 2
ShoWTimE vs Harstem
Shameless vs MaxPax
HeRoMaRinE vs SKillous
ByuN vs TBD
WardiTV592
LiquipediaDiscussion
PSISTORM Gaming Misc
15:55
FSL TeamLeague week8: IC vs RR
Freeedom163
Liquipedia
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
12:00
Playoff - Day 1/2
Mihu vs ZhanhunLIVE!
Fengzi vs Dewalt
ZZZero.O232
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SpeCial 182
JuggernautJason80
ForJumy 41
MindelVK 36
ProTech32
Rex 21
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 39292
Mini 920
BeSt 687
ggaemo 588
firebathero 353
ZZZero.O 232
Rush 132
Zeus 89
Mong 75
Rock 29
[ Show more ]
sas.Sziky 22
HiyA 15
Terrorterran 10
yabsab 8
Dota 2
Gorgc5864
qojqva3362
420jenkins1109
Dendi19
LuMiX1
League of Legends
Reynor44
Counter-Strike
fl0m3747
ScreaM1314
sgares390
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor640
Liquid`Hasu501
Other Games
singsing2172
B2W.Neo1347
Beastyqt391
Hui .318
byalli303
Lowko301
Trikslyr53
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• sitaska27
• IndyKCrew
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• intothetv
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Kozan
StarCraft: Brood War
• FirePhoenix13
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 3774
• Nemesis1757
• WagamamaTV653
League of Legends
• Jankos1722
Other Games
• Shiphtur99
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
17h 30m
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
21h 30m
Bonyth vs TBD
WardiTV European League
23h 30m
Wardi Open
1d 18h
OSC
2 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
5 days
RSL Revival
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
[ Show More ]
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL 20 Non-Korean Championship
FEL Cracow 2025
Underdog Cup #2

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Qualifiers
ASL Season 20: Qualifier #1
HCC Europe
CC Div. A S7
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025

Upcoming

ASL Season 20: Qualifier #2
ASL Season 20
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
SEL Season 2 Championship
WardiTV Summer 2025
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
Thunderpick World Champ.
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
CAC 2025
Roobet Cup 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.