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Beyonder
Netherlands15103 Posts
On June 23 2013 23:11 Dan HH wrote:
Ara is playing well now but he was absolutely terible on SK and even on ATN before this split, there was a lot of unfair kicking out of SK but this wasn't one of it.
Its still incredibly rude to get a guy in your team, qualify with him, and then kick him out just before the season while all he did was help qualify. Could have believed in him and gave him a chance..
Its not like Oce was playing anything good then. XD
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On June 23 2013 23:11 Beyonder wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 23:10 MoonBear wrote:On June 23 2013 23:08 Beyonder wrote:On June 23 2013 22:52 Redox wrote:On June 23 2013 22:48 Beyonder wrote:On June 23 2013 22:48 Redox wrote:On June 23 2013 22:45 Lysanias wrote:On June 23 2013 22:40 Redox wrote:On June 23 2013 22:38 Lysanias wrote:On June 23 2013 22:38 Shikyo wrote:
Well, at least all the SK fans can be happy as it's pretty much impossible to throw a game like this where they are this far ahead with these teamcomps. Dunno ocelote sure is trying good lord. That random hating. Picking on Nyph might have maybe made sense there. Too bad hes not the current target of this cycle jerk. Yeah keep those flaps on your eyes. For a mid he's playing at a constant low level. Unlike Nyph. I did not talk about past games. It just demonstrates nicely the whole bias when the Oce hating comes out after Nyph fail. The level of EG and SK fanboyism is high XD Try to make some sense. I dont even like SK, Oce the least out of all of them. I just cant stand the cycle jerks here. Why all the ridicule about SKs performance and not NiPs, when they peform on the same level while actullay more was expected of NiP? If anything NiP is way more underperforming than SK. Why? Oce, as captain, has consistently removed members of his team for underperforming. Even those who helped him qualify for LCS (i.e. Aranae). Unbelievably cocky, blames others, flames; but in reality he plays SO bad and way under level for European mids. Just a PR guy who favors streaming, so it is definitely amusing to watch him fail. Watching SK fail as an organization makes it even more amusing because of their track record. Araneae must be feeling some measure of schadenfreude since aTn is now top of EU LCS leaderboard Definitely. Kicking members never solved SK's problems (guess why!). Its like HotshotGG with CLG after his prime, but much worse, because the mid laner is crazily important and EU mids are so good.
well, some kicks are good for the team.
I'd say that Chaox kick from TSM was the correct decision by Reginald.
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On June 23 2013 23:08 Beyonder wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 22:52 Redox wrote:On June 23 2013 22:48 Beyonder wrote:On June 23 2013 22:48 Redox wrote:On June 23 2013 22:45 Lysanias wrote:On June 23 2013 22:40 Redox wrote:On June 23 2013 22:38 Lysanias wrote:On June 23 2013 22:38 Shikyo wrote:
Well, at least all the SK fans can be happy as it's pretty much impossible to throw a game like this where they are this far ahead with these teamcomps. Dunno ocelote sure is trying good lord. That random hating. Picking on Nyph might have maybe made sense there. Too bad hes not the current target of this cycle jerk. Yeah keep those flaps on your eyes. For a mid he's playing at a constant low level. Unlike Nyph. I did not talk about past games. It just demonstrates nicely the whole bias when the Oce hating comes out after Nyph fail. The level of EG and SK fanboyism is high XD Try to make some sense. I dont even like SK, Oce the least out of all of them. I just cant stand the cycle jerks here. Why all the ridicule about SKs performance and not NiPs, when they peform on the same level while actullay more was expected of NiP? If anything NiP is way more underperforming than SK. Why? Oce, as captain, has consistently removed members of his team for underperforming. Even those who helped him qualify for LCS (i.e. Aranae). Unbelievably cocky, blames others, flames; but in reality he plays SO bad and way under level for European mids. Just a PR guy who favors streaming, so it is definitely amusing to watch him fail. Watching SK fail as an organization makes it even more amusing because of their track record.
Agreed, I like SK and I really think Ocelote is the weak link, he should do like HSGG retiring and just streaming, he's popular so his fan will still watch him. Or he can pull his shit together, stop thinking he's the best and the most fabulous and train seriously.
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Beyonder
Netherlands15103 Posts
On June 23 2013 23:13 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 23:11 Beyonder wrote:On June 23 2013 23:10 MoonBear wrote:On June 23 2013 23:08 Beyonder wrote:On June 23 2013 22:52 Redox wrote:On June 23 2013 22:48 Beyonder wrote:On June 23 2013 22:48 Redox wrote:On June 23 2013 22:45 Lysanias wrote:On June 23 2013 22:40 Redox wrote:On June 23 2013 22:38 Lysanias wrote:
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Dunno ocelote sure is trying good lord. That random hating. Picking on Nyph might have maybe made sense there. Too bad hes not the current target of this cycle jerk. Yeah keep those flaps on your eyes. For a mid he's playing at a constant low level. Unlike Nyph. I did not talk about past games. It just demonstrates nicely the whole bias when the Oce hating comes out after Nyph fail. The level of EG and SK fanboyism is high XD Try to make some sense. I dont even like SK, Oce the least out of all of them. I just cant stand the cycle jerks here. Why all the ridicule about SKs performance and not NiPs, when they peform on the same level while actullay more was expected of NiP? If anything NiP is way more underperforming than SK. Why? Oce, as captain, has consistently removed members of his team for underperforming. Even those who helped him qualify for LCS (i.e. Aranae). Unbelievably cocky, blames others, flames; but in reality he plays SO bad and way under level for European mids. Just a PR guy who favors streaming, so it is definitely amusing to watch him fail. Watching SK fail as an organization makes it even more amusing because of their track record. Araneae must be feeling some measure of schadenfreude since aTn is now top of EU LCS leaderboard Definitely. Kicking members never solved SK's problems (guess why!). Its like HotshotGG with CLG after his prime, but much worse, because the mid laner is crazily important and EU mids are so good. well, some kicks are good for the team. I'd say that Chaox kick from TSM was the correct decision by Reginald.
Of course, because Chaox's behavior was dreadful. He received many chances.
An Oce kick would be best.
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On June 23 2013 23:13 Lylat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 23:08 Beyonder wrote:On June 23 2013 22:52 Redox wrote:On June 23 2013 22:48 Beyonder wrote:On June 23 2013 22:48 Redox wrote:On June 23 2013 22:45 Lysanias wrote:On June 23 2013 22:40 Redox wrote:On June 23 2013 22:38 Lysanias wrote:On June 23 2013 22:38 Shikyo wrote:
Well, at least all the SK fans can be happy as it's pretty much impossible to throw a game like this where they are this far ahead with these teamcomps. Dunno ocelote sure is trying good lord. That random hating. Picking on Nyph might have maybe made sense there. Too bad hes not the current target of this cycle jerk. Yeah keep those flaps on your eyes. For a mid he's playing at a constant low level. Unlike Nyph. I did not talk about past games. It just demonstrates nicely the whole bias when the Oce hating comes out after Nyph fail. The level of EG and SK fanboyism is high XD Try to make some sense. I dont even like SK, Oce the least out of all of them. I just cant stand the cycle jerks here. Why all the ridicule about SKs performance and not NiPs, when they peform on the same level while actullay more was expected of NiP? If anything NiP is way more underperforming than SK. Why? Oce, as captain, has consistently removed members of his team for underperforming. Even those who helped him qualify for LCS (i.e. Aranae). Unbelievably cocky, blames others, flames; but in reality he plays SO bad and way under level for European mids. Just a PR guy who favors streaming, so it is definitely amusing to watch him fail. Watching SK fail as an organization makes it even more amusing because of their track record. Agreed, I like SK and I really think Ocelote is the weak link, he should do like HSGG retiring and just streaming, he's popular so his fan will still watch him. Or he can pull his shit together, stop thinking he's the best and the most fabulous and train seriously.
that's what bothers me the most, in every interview he still thinks he's just as good as peke and co. just straight up delusional while guys like Alex Ich gladly admit that Xpeke was better at a certain point last split.
oce top 3 mids world.
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This Zilean-infested timer... ><
Btw there's no way Ocelote could practice as much as other mids because he needs to spend around 3 hours a day on his hairdo and makeup, try to be understanding
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I'd say ocelote is not even top5 mid in europe :-/
FLord, Alex, Xpeke, Froggen are much better in my opinion.
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On June 23 2013 23:17 AsnSensation wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 23:13 Lylat wrote:On June 23 2013 23:08 Beyonder wrote:On June 23 2013 22:52 Redox wrote:On June 23 2013 22:48 Beyonder wrote:On June 23 2013 22:48 Redox wrote:On June 23 2013 22:45 Lysanias wrote:On June 23 2013 22:40 Redox wrote:On June 23 2013 22:38 Lysanias wrote:On June 23 2013 22:38 Shikyo wrote:
Well, at least all the SK fans can be happy as it's pretty much impossible to throw a game like this where they are this far ahead with these teamcomps. Dunno ocelote sure is trying good lord. That random hating. Picking on Nyph might have maybe made sense there. Too bad hes not the current target of this cycle jerk. Yeah keep those flaps on your eyes. For a mid he's playing at a constant low level. Unlike Nyph. I did not talk about past games. It just demonstrates nicely the whole bias when the Oce hating comes out after Nyph fail. The level of EG and SK fanboyism is high XD Try to make some sense. I dont even like SK, Oce the least out of all of them. I just cant stand the cycle jerks here. Why all the ridicule about SKs performance and not NiPs, when they peform on the same level while actullay more was expected of NiP? If anything NiP is way more underperforming than SK. Why? Oce, as captain, has consistently removed members of his team for underperforming. Even those who helped him qualify for LCS (i.e. Aranae). Unbelievably cocky, blames others, flames; but in reality he plays SO bad and way under level for European mids. Just a PR guy who favors streaming, so it is definitely amusing to watch him fail. Watching SK fail as an organization makes it even more amusing because of their track record. Agreed, I like SK and I really think Ocelote is the weak link, he should do like HSGG retiring and just streaming, he's popular so his fan will still watch him. Or he can pull his shit together, stop thinking he's the best and the most fabulous and train seriously. that's what bothers me the most, in every interview he still thinks he's just as good as peke and co. just straight up delusional while guys like Alex Ich gladly admit that Xpeke was better at a certain point last split. oce top 3 mids world.
I think he is mainly protecting his brand. You can hear underneath it (and also see in his play) that he actually lacks confidence.
Besides that was only the case in interviews from last split and before. Especially in the last interview everything he said I fully agreeed with.
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On June 23 2013 23:17 AsnSensation wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 23:13 Lylat wrote:On June 23 2013 23:08 Beyonder wrote:On June 23 2013 22:52 Redox wrote:On June 23 2013 22:48 Beyonder wrote:On June 23 2013 22:48 Redox wrote:On June 23 2013 22:45 Lysanias wrote:On June 23 2013 22:40 Redox wrote:On June 23 2013 22:38 Lysanias wrote:On June 23 2013 22:38 Shikyo wrote:
Well, at least all the SK fans can be happy as it's pretty much impossible to throw a game like this where they are this far ahead with these teamcomps. Dunno ocelote sure is trying good lord. That random hating. Picking on Nyph might have maybe made sense there. Too bad hes not the current target of this cycle jerk. Yeah keep those flaps on your eyes. For a mid he's playing at a constant low level. Unlike Nyph. I did not talk about past games. It just demonstrates nicely the whole bias when the Oce hating comes out after Nyph fail. The level of EG and SK fanboyism is high XD Try to make some sense. I dont even like SK, Oce the least out of all of them. I just cant stand the cycle jerks here. Why all the ridicule about SKs performance and not NiPs, when they peform on the same level while actullay more was expected of NiP? If anything NiP is way more underperforming than SK. Why? Oce, as captain, has consistently removed members of his team for underperforming. Even those who helped him qualify for LCS (i.e. Aranae). Unbelievably cocky, blames others, flames; but in reality he plays SO bad and way under level for European mids. Just a PR guy who favors streaming, so it is definitely amusing to watch him fail. Watching SK fail as an organization makes it even more amusing because of their track record. Agreed, I like SK and I really think Ocelote is the weak link, he should do like HSGG retiring and just streaming, he's popular so his fan will still watch him. Or he can pull his shit together, stop thinking he's the best and the most fabulous and train seriously. that's what bothers me the most, in every interview he still thinks he's just as good as peke and co. just straight up delusional while guys like Alex Ich gladly admit that Xpeke was better at a certain point last split. oce top 3 mids world.
Yeah i remember him actualy saying that on "grilled" by acer. It just buggled my mind.
The last time i seen him playing really well was in season 2 on Orianna vs EG in the qualifier to LCS.
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On June 23 2013 23:20 supersoft wrote:
I'd say ocelote is not even top5 mid in europe :-/
FLord, Alex, Xpeke, Froggen are much better in my opinion.
He is not top 10. But would still be easily in top 6 in NA.
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On June 23 2013 23:21 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 23:20 supersoft wrote:
I'd say ocelote is not even top5 mid in europe :-/
FLord, Alex, Xpeke, Froggen are much better in my opinion. He is not top 10. But would still be easily in top 6 in NA.
mh I don't know, but you're right that NA mids are not as good as EU mids...
I only see Link in the league of Flord/Froggen/Xpeke/Alex
Reginald is good, too but not individually. Only if you take his teamleaderskills into account.
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On June 23 2013 23:21 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 23:20 supersoft wrote:
I'd say ocelote is not even top5 mid in europe :-/
FLord, Alex, Xpeke, Froggen are much better in my opinion. He is not top 10. But would still be easily in top 6 in NA.
Mancloud, Hai, Regi, Link, Shiphtur, Jintae.. Which is not up to par o.O
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Don't you think that Oce tries to believe that he's the best to hype himself into playing better? I doubt he thinks that he doesn't need to practice because in his mind he's one of the best in the world, in fact that postgame interview he just did after beating NiP he clearly said that nobody has god-given talent, you have to train to be good. He realizes he has to keep training, but if you don't believe in yourself you'll be lacking confidence. Even in Korea those who are the best do believe they are the best.
Oh right I'm on TL, they love to bash on the Oce. You all act like he kicked YOU from SK. 
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On June 23 2013 23:24 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 23:21 Redox wrote:On June 23 2013 23:20 supersoft wrote:
I'd say ocelote is not even top5 mid in europe :-/
FLord, Alex, Xpeke, Froggen are much better in my opinion. He is not top 10. But would still be easily in top 6 in NA. Mancloud, Hai, Regi, Link, Shiphtur, Jintae.. Which is not up to par o.O
Scarra and vileroze? two worst na mid in lcs
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On June 23 2013 23:26 skykh wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 23:24 Shikyo wrote:On June 23 2013 23:21 Redox wrote:On June 23 2013 23:20 supersoft wrote:
I'd say ocelote is not even top5 mid in europe :-/
FLord, Alex, Xpeke, Froggen are much better in my opinion. He is not top 10. But would still be easily in top 6 in NA. Mancloud, Hai, Regi, Link, Shiphtur, Jintae.. Which is not up to par o.O Scarra and vileroze? two worst na mid in lcs
No I mean he specifically said top 6 so I listed imo the best 6 mids and I was wondering which one he thinks is worse than oce
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Yeah no, if i think about it, ocelote is not even top5 in NA.
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jacky, link, mancloud, jinate, hai and shiptur better than oce imo.
Scarra is slightly better and vileroze worse than him.
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On June 23 2013 23:27 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 23:26 skykh wrote:On June 23 2013 23:24 Shikyo wrote:On June 23 2013 23:21 Redox wrote:On June 23 2013 23:20 supersoft wrote:
I'd say ocelote is not even top5 mid in europe :-/
FLord, Alex, Xpeke, Froggen are much better in my opinion. He is not top 10. But would still be easily in top 6 in NA. Mancloud, Hai, Regi, Link, Shiphtur, Jintae.. Which is not up to par o.O Scarra and vileroze? two worst na mid in lcs No I mean he specifically said top 6 so I listed imo the best 6 mids and I was wondering which one he thinks is worse than oce
Well its kind o hard to say, it would also be difficult to say who of those you listed is the "worst". But I would say Oce is about the same level as all of those except Link.
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EG is playing and eu lcs get delay typical.
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On June 23 2013 23:30 Mensol wrote:
jacky, link, mancloud, jinate, hai and shiptur better than oce imo.
Scarra is slightly better and vileroze worse than him.
Link might be, but thats about it. And Regi, who is not on your list.
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