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MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
January 20 2013 15:10 GMT
#1601
Singed and Interior Crocodile too hyyeeaaahh!
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
January 20 2013 15:11 GMT
#1602
On January 21 2013 00:10 Leonite7 wrote:
Dammit thought there might be a vi or a veigar.

Vi is not allowed for this tournament iirc
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
GregMandel
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
France822 Posts
January 20 2013 15:11 GMT
#1603
MadLife Blitzcrank gonna show us how a support player can be better than someone else at their own role hopefully

AlexIch on Khazix not convinced though, maybe he trained with it but I dont remember him liking the AD mids :/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RD8QLNiolfk - Racing with the sun
CrimsonLotus
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Colombia1123 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-20 15:11:54
January 20 2013 15:11 GMT
#1604
On January 21 2013 00:02 WhiteDog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2013 23:15 CrimsonLotus wrote:
gg, xPeke is Korean level. The rest of the team not so much.

xPeke is european level. European mids are better than korean mids.
The rest of the team is good, don't be a jerk, in a team game, the result is made by the team.


Korean (and I guess asian teams in general) are simply at a higher tier than the other regions right now. Some european teams are close enough that they can contest some games and ocasionally win, but they are still inferior. And we all know where NA stands.

The simple true is that if xPeke had played at his team average level in the second game they would have lost, and in the third game they would have gotten destroyed. It doesn't mean his teammates are "terribad noobs" or something like that, they are still pros, but they got totally and consistently outplayed by their Azubu counterparts.
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Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
January 20 2013 15:11 GMT
#1605
Whoooooop shy singed \o/
Glorious SEA doto
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
January 20 2013 15:12 GMT
#1606
locodoco doing korean commentary.
WriterFollow me @TL_Chexx
DoXa
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Switzerland1448 Posts
January 20 2013 15:13 GMT
#1607
On January 21 2013 00:11 CrimsonLotus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2013 00:02 WhiteDog wrote:
On January 20 2013 23:15 CrimsonLotus wrote:
gg, xPeke is Korean level. The rest of the team not so much.

xPeke is european level. European mids are better than korean mids.
The rest of the team is good, don't be a jerk, in a team game, the result is made by the team.


Korean (and I guess asian teams in general) are simply at a higher tier than the other regions right now. Some european teams are close enough that they can contest some games and ocasionally win, but they are still inferior. And we all know where NA stands.

The simple true is that if xPeke had played at his team average level in the second game they would have lost, and in the third game they would have gotten destroyed. It doesn't mean his teammates are "terribad noobs" or something like that, they are still pros, but they got totally and consistently outplayed by their Azubu counterparts.


is there a writeup or something where i can read why this is? because LoL was released a lot later in Asia than in EU/NA?
bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
January 20 2013 15:13 GMT
#1608
On January 21 2013 00:12 Chexx wrote:
locodoco doing korean commentary.


really? on the nicegametv stream?
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-20 15:16:04
January 20 2013 15:14 GMT
#1609
On January 21 2013 00:11 CrimsonLotus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2013 00:02 WhiteDog wrote:
On January 20 2013 23:15 CrimsonLotus wrote:
gg, xPeke is Korean level. The rest of the team not so much.

xPeke is european level. European mids are better than korean mids.
The rest of the team is good, don't be a jerk, in a team game, the result is made by the team.


Korean (and I guess asian teams in general) are simply at a higher tier than the other regions right now. Some european teams are close enough that they can contest some games and ocasionally win, but they are still inferior. And we all know where NA stands.

The simple true is that if xPeke had played at his team average level in the second game they would have lost, and in the third game they would have gotten destroyed. It doesn't mean his teammates are "terribad noobs" or something like that, they are still pros, but they got totally and consistently outplayed by their Azubu counterparts.

Koreans are good for their top players, their support, and their junglers (kinda). Europeans mids are just better, froggen, xpeke, alexich all have their own style and tend to carry games a lot, unlike most korean mids who just farm, gank a little, but never have the impact those three have on their teams.
It's not entirely a question of individual skill, but also how teams consider theirselves, how they distribute farming, etc.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
GregMandel
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
France822 Posts
January 20 2013 15:14 GMT
#1610
On January 21 2013 00:11 CrimsonLotus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2013 00:02 WhiteDog wrote:
On January 20 2013 23:15 CrimsonLotus wrote:
gg, xPeke is Korean level. The rest of the team not so much.

xPeke is european level. European mids are better than korean mids.
The rest of the team is good, don't be a jerk, in a team game, the result is made by the team.


Korean (and I guess asian teams in general) are simply at a higher tier than the other regions right now. Some european teams are close enough that they can contest some games and ocasionally win, but they are still inferior. And we all know where NA stands.

The simple true is that if xPeke had played at his team average level in the second game they would have lost, and in the third game they would have gotten destroyed. It doesn't mean his teammates are "terribad noobs" or something like that, they are still pros, but they got totally and consistently outplayed by their Azubu counterparts.


I've never be a fan of the NA team, but after this tournament I'm not sure anymore ...
Atm I'd say Fnatic best team outside korea, but then curse and CLG might come after them, I'm not convinced by M5 S3, and I think MRN and FeaR have some really decent potential

S3 man, anything can happen !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RD8QLNiolfk - Racing with the sun
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
January 20 2013 15:15 GMT
#1611
Woong running 1 crit red I think.Saw him crit a creep haha.
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
January 20 2013 15:15 GMT
#1612
CloudTemplar so patient wowow
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
January 20 2013 15:16 GMT
#1613
did m5 not watch ANY ogn game?

they ALWAYS ALWAYS have jungler at tower when the wave hits in 1v2
Affenaffe
Profile Joined September 2012
Germany1386 Posts
January 20 2013 15:17 GMT
#1614
genja didnt orb walk with amumu wtf
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
January 20 2013 15:17 GMT
#1615
Did the stream just die for others aswell?
hi
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
January 20 2013 15:17 GMT
#1616
On January 21 2013 00:16 LaNague wrote:
did m5 not watch ANY ogn game?

they ALWAYS ALWAYS have jungler at tower when the wave hits in 1v2


every team who has ever ran a 1v2 do this
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
January 20 2013 15:17 GMT
#1617
I wish Frost had better adc :/ They would be my favorite team.

Shy, MadLife and Cloudtemplar are arguably the best players of their roles imo.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-20 15:19:12
January 20 2013 15:17 GMT
#1618
On January 21 2013 00:14 WhiteDog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2013 00:11 CrimsonLotus wrote:
On January 21 2013 00:02 WhiteDog wrote:
On January 20 2013 23:15 CrimsonLotus wrote:
gg, xPeke is Korean level. The rest of the team not so much.

xPeke is european level. European mids are better than korean mids.
The rest of the team is good, don't be a jerk, in a team game, the result is made by the team.


Korean (and I guess asian teams in general) are simply at a higher tier than the other regions right now. Some european teams are close enough that they can contest some games and ocasionally win, but they are still inferior. And we all know where NA stands.

The simple true is that if xPeke had played at his team average level in the second game they would have lost, and in the third game they would have gotten destroyed. It doesn't mean his teammates are "terribad noobs" or something like that, they are still pros, but they got totally and consistently outplayed by their Azubu counterparts.

Koreans are good for their top players, their support, and their junglers (kinda). Europeans mids are just better, froggen, xpeke, alexich all have their own style and tend to carry games a lot, unlike most korean mids who just farm, gank a little, but never have the impact those three have on their teams.


I dont really agree with that. Misaya for example put alot of pressure on the enemy team. Or the huge amount of Khazix mid we see in OGN. There is a reason why mids like TF are often banned in OGN
WriterFollow me @TL_Chexx
GregMandel
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
France822 Posts
January 20 2013 15:20 GMT
#1619
casual xin zhao.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RD8QLNiolfk - Racing with the sun
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
January 20 2013 15:20 GMT
#1620
Azubu delayed Blue makes sense with Azubu wanting to Blue Steal and then having the M5 immediate counter-invade not find anything but Shy dying top ruined that
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
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