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At any point of IEM Season 6 Championship, if you think of an interesting byline, please drop a sentence in the Pro Scene thread. At the end of the month, I'll catalogue the results of Hannover but also any interesting facts or events that happen over the course of the tournament. Thanks. Neo, 06.03.2012 |
On March 08 2012 19:13 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 19:12 NeoIllusions wrote:On March 08 2012 19:10 Shikyo wrote:
Phreak GOOD JOB calling it backdooring when he had his own minions there, really showing us your shining knowledge of terminology. d t Semantics. TF backdoors all the time and it's with creeps pretty often. >_> Wut? With creeps it's called pushing. That's not just semantics, Backdooring has a really negative sound to it and you shouldn't accuse people of it without good reason in my opinion, I'd consider it quite rude. ESPECIALLY as in that case it was actually CLG Backdooring the inhibitor while the Lee Sin was pushing normally. BTW SYDTKO best.
backdooring is a valid tactic; saying that it has a "negative sound" to it is like when people criticize cheese... it's just a tactic.
lee sin = backdooring b/c it wasnt as part of a standard push, he slipped in when everyone else was gone. TECHNICALLY, if you want to ignore the state of the game at the moment, yes it was not backdooring, but it's "semantics".
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On March 08 2012 19:20 BlueSpace wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 19:18 Shikyo wrote:On March 08 2012 19:16 Roffles wrote:
Love Saint's mentality.
Throw cleaver. Hit target. Charge. Well how else are you going to play as Mundo? Throw cleaver... run around in circles confused, believing your an AP carry and waiting to throw the next cleaver.
MB then you need to take a look at the hero mode I dunno .-. I've always seen mundo as a madman with whom you just want to chop the enemies into pieces, that's what the cleaver is for
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On March 08 2012 19:19 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 19:18 NeoIllusions wrote:On March 08 2012 19:16 Doctorbeat wrote:I also am pleasantly surprised about Doublelift's performance this tourney. No stupid facechecks that lose games yet  Not really. He still does stupid shit (this 2nd game, Ez went to chase Trist for some reason and luckily killed Trist before getting revenged by Lee Sin). All this was is a display of S tier jiji. And saint being saint. I simply don't understand how doublelift can cs so fucking hard, it's ridic.
Other than sheer mechanics, it has a lot to do with clgs farm mentality, and of course the person they want farmed the most is the ad carry.
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On March 08 2012 19:19 deskscaress wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 19:15 zulu_nation8 wrote:
sydtko probably shouldnt be playing at tourney level ftfy or if you prefer Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 19:15 zulu_nation8 wrote:
sydtko probably shouldnt be playing league of legends works too honestly, sydtko is an instant loss. i can't think of a single time he's had any positive impact on a game. it's PATHETIC that you can put up an ad on reddit, find a random player that plays ON A DIFFERENT SERVER, have him fill in for your solo top player, play ZERO practice games, and outperform your starter. PATHETIC. nyjacky is sooooooo good, crumbzz is really really good, cop + elementz aren't anywhere near top tier but definitely passable, but holyyyy shiiiiiiit syyyyyyyyyydtkooooooooooo
Nyjacky is easily A, maybe S on champs like Veigar.
Crumbzz needs to clean up his decision making. He died a lot this tournament by invading and dying when he shouldn't have. Mechanically, he's a good junglers.
Cop/Elementz, no complaints. They've won games due to Cop. Haven't lost due to Crs Bot lane.
and there's SYDTKO... no comment.
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On March 08 2012 19:20 Chrispy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 19:18 Woony wrote:On March 08 2012 19:17 Chrispy wrote:
Missed these games here what role is Elementz playing for Curse? Is he still support or he is top? support Ah okay thanks. ^^ I think M5's going to crush CLG in the semi finals... M5's just too damned organized and aggressive.
Be careful with those words of yours! They'll be playing against Saint you know...
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On March 08 2012 19:19 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 19:18 NeoIllusions wrote:On March 08 2012 19:16 Doctorbeat wrote:I also am pleasantly surprised about Doublelift's performance this tourney. No stupid facechecks that lose games yet Not really. He still does stupid shit (this 2nd game, Ez went to chase Trist for some reason and luckily killed Trist before getting revenged by Lee Sin). All this was is a display of S tier jiji. And saint being saint. I simply don't understand how doublelift can cs so fucking hard, it's ridic.
He's best mechanical player in LoL for a reason.
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On March 08 2012 19:20 Zdrastochye wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 19:19 deskscaress wrote:On March 08 2012 19:15 zulu_nation8 wrote:
sydtko probably shouldnt be playing at tourney level ftfy or if you prefer On March 08 2012 19:15 zulu_nation8 wrote:
sydtko probably shouldnt be playing league of legends works too honestly, sydtko is an instant loss. i can't think of a single time he's had any positive impact on a game. it's PATHETIC that you can put up an ad on reddit, find a random player that plays ON A DIFFERENT SERVER, have him fill in for your solo top player, play ZERO practice games, and outperform your starter. PATHETIC. nyjacky is sooooooo good, crumbzz is really really good, cop + elementz aren't anywhere near top tier but definitely passable, but holyyyy shiiiiiiit syyyyyyyyyydtkooooooooooo SYDTKO didn't play any worse than TRM's Irelia. :O
Damning with faint praise, nicely done.
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leesin did pretty well, leesin had to clear udyr ass many times, and even lost an oracle because of it.
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On March 08 2012 19:19 deskscaress wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 19:15 zulu_nation8 wrote:
sydtko probably shouldnt be playing at tourney level ftfy or if you prefer Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 19:15 zulu_nation8 wrote:
sydtko probably shouldnt be playing league of legends works too honestly, sydtko is an instant loss. i can't think of a single time he's had any positive impact on a game. it's PATHETIC that you can put up an ad on reddit, find a random player that plays ON A DIFFERENT SERVER, have him fill in for your solo top player, play ZERO practice games, and outperform your starter. PATHETIC. nyjacky is sooooooo good, crumbzz is really really good, cop + elementz aren't anywhere near top tier but definitely passable, but holyyyy shiiiiiiit syyyyyyyyyydtkooooooooooo
SYDTKO beat Hotshot in lane during a scrim like three months ago. He was playing Tryndamere, who was considered OP at the time, and CLG didn't camp his lane. He's really bad. I think his theorycraft sucks. But Curse has kept him around since they first formed the team. Either they really like the guy or they feel like he's strong.
Also I think Ele is pretty decent on support. He's been playing that role longer than anyone else in the NA scene save maybe Xpecial. And Cop is actually pretty sick. iirc Cop had the most CS of anyone during group stage.
What Curse really needs is for Pobelter to turn 18.
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On March 08 2012 19:21 EchelonTee wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 19:13 Shikyo wrote:On March 08 2012 19:12 NeoIllusions wrote:On March 08 2012 19:10 Shikyo wrote:
Phreak GOOD JOB calling it backdooring when he had his own minions there, really showing us your shining knowledge of terminology. d t Semantics. TF backdoors all the time and it's with creeps pretty often. >_> Wut? With creeps it's called pushing. That's not just semantics, Backdooring has a really negative sound to it and you shouldn't accuse people of it without good reason in my opinion, I'd consider it quite rude. ESPECIALLY as in that case it was actually CLG Backdooring the inhibitor while the Lee Sin was pushing normally. BTW SYDTKO best. backdooring is a valid tactic; saying that it has a "negative sound" to it is like when people criticize cheese... it's just a tactic. lee sin = backdooring b/c it wasnt as part of a standard push, he slipped in when everyone else was gone. TECHNICALLY, if you want to ignore the state of the game at the moment, yes it was not backdooring, but it's "semantics".
You realize that CLG actually was backdooring and Lee Sin wasn't? It was a standard push, their creep wave was all the way at CLGs base while CLG itself backdoored mid, that's not just semantics. Unless you don't mind people saying blatantly incorrect things
On March 08 2012 19:21 EchelonTee wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 19:13 Shikyo wrote:On March 08 2012 19:12 NeoIllusions wrote:On March 08 2012 19:10 Shikyo wrote:
Phreak GOOD JOB calling it backdooring when he had his own minions there, really showing us your shining knowledge of terminology. d t Semantics. TF backdoors all the time and it's with creeps pretty often. >_> Wut? With creeps it's called pushing. That's not just semantics, Backdooring has a really negative sound to it and you shouldn't accuse people of it without good reason in my opinion, I'd consider it quite rude. ESPECIALLY as in that case it was actually CLG Backdooring the inhibitor while the Lee Sin was pushing normally. BTW SYDTKO best. backdooring is a valid tactic; saying that it has a "negative sound" to it is like when people criticize cheese... it's just a tactic. lee sin = backdooring b/c it wasnt as part of a standard push, he slipped in when everyone else was gone. TECHNICALLY, if you want to ignore the state of the game at the moment, yes it was not backdooring, but it's "semantics".
No that's the equivalent of a Zerg going 15hatch 15pool and you calling it cheese
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Doublelift gets a lot of bashing (some jokingly) from his team and the community. He did some dumb shit the first game as vayne and some bad chases as ezreal but overall he farms like a beast and had decent positioning in team fights (staying far back when veigar was there). I'm surprised he did so well vayne versus cait, Doublelift is solid.
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is Phreak left handed or does he just switch his stuff around because he finds it easier for spectating? I have the muscle control of an infant when I try to use a mouse with my left hand :| I'm not ambidextrous in the slightest though
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Ever since M5 won Kiev CLG has said it was because they were in Korea, the fact that the dream match is now finally official is enough for me. I'd love for CLG to win, but it feels like a really tall order.
In the mean time, can't wait for the next set Ocelot is one of my favorite players.
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On March 08 2012 19:22 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 19:21 EchelonTee wrote:On March 08 2012 19:13 Shikyo wrote:On March 08 2012 19:12 NeoIllusions wrote:On March 08 2012 19:10 Shikyo wrote:
Phreak GOOD JOB calling it backdooring when he had his own minions there, really showing us your shining knowledge of terminology. d t Semantics. TF backdoors all the time and it's with creeps pretty often. >_> Wut? With creeps it's called pushing. That's not just semantics, Backdooring has a really negative sound to it and you shouldn't accuse people of it without good reason in my opinion, I'd consider it quite rude. ESPECIALLY as in that case it was actually CLG Backdooring the inhibitor while the Lee Sin was pushing normally. BTW SYDTKO best. backdooring is a valid tactic; saying that it has a "negative sound" to it is like when people criticize cheese... it's just a tactic. lee sin = backdooring b/c it wasnt as part of a standard push, he slipped in when everyone else was gone. TECHNICALLY, if you want to ignore the state of the game at the moment, yes it was not backdooring, but it's "semantics". You realize that CLG actually was backdooring and Lee Sin wasn't? It was a standard push, their creep wave was all the way at CLGs base while CLG itself backdoored mid, that's not just semantics. Unless you don't mind people saying blatantly incorrect things
I do realize that, that's why I said TECHNICALLY, if you want to ignore the state of game, CLG was backdooring and lee sin wasn't. what i'm trying to say is that CLG just won a teamfight, and then pushed inhib. backdooring, strict meaning, is pushing w/o creeps, so yeah they backdoored. but backdooring usually IMPLIES sneaking and killing towers when the other team is unawares/on other side of the map. that's what lee sin did.
lee sin's team just lost fight, he hides from CLG then moves in to auto attack inhib. the only thing that made it not backdooring were the creeps though. letter of the law yes, but not spirit of it.
you're also ignoring the point of the cheese analogy; I'm saying that backdooring is NOT A NEGATIVE term, making our entire discussion pointless. however, you are STRICTLY, by the book correct, so i'll concede.
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On March 08 2012 19:22 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 19:21 EchelonTee wrote:On March 08 2012 19:13 Shikyo wrote:On March 08 2012 19:12 NeoIllusions wrote:On March 08 2012 19:10 Shikyo wrote:
Phreak GOOD JOB calling it backdooring when he had his own minions there, really showing us your shining knowledge of terminology. d t Semantics. TF backdoors all the time and it's with creeps pretty often. >_> Wut? With creeps it's called pushing. That's not just semantics, Backdooring has a really negative sound to it and you shouldn't accuse people of it without good reason in my opinion, I'd consider it quite rude. ESPECIALLY as in that case it was actually CLG Backdooring the inhibitor while the Lee Sin was pushing normally. BTW SYDTKO best. backdooring is a valid tactic; saying that it has a "negative sound" to it is like when people criticize cheese... it's just a tactic. lee sin = backdooring b/c it wasnt as part of a standard push, he slipped in when everyone else was gone. TECHNICALLY, if you want to ignore the state of the game at the moment, yes it was not backdooring, but it's "semantics". You realize that CLG actually was backdooring and Lee Sin wasn't? It was a standard push, their creep wave was all the way at CLGs base while CLG itself backdoored mid, that's not just semantics. Unless you don't mind people saying blatantly incorrect things Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 19:21 EchelonTee wrote:On March 08 2012 19:13 Shikyo wrote:On March 08 2012 19:12 NeoIllusions wrote:On March 08 2012 19:10 Shikyo wrote:
Phreak GOOD JOB calling it backdooring when he had his own minions there, really showing us your shining knowledge of terminology. d t Semantics. TF backdoors all the time and it's with creeps pretty often. >_> Wut? With creeps it's called pushing. That's not just semantics, Backdooring has a really negative sound to it and you shouldn't accuse people of it without good reason in my opinion, I'd consider it quite rude. ESPECIALLY as in that case it was actually CLG Backdooring the inhibitor while the Lee Sin was pushing normally. BTW SYDTKO best. backdooring is a valid tactic; saying that it has a "negative sound" to it is like when people criticize cheese... it's just a tactic. lee sin = backdooring b/c it wasnt as part of a standard push, he slipped in when everyone else was gone. TECHNICALLY, if you want to ignore the state of the game at the moment, yes it was not backdooring, but it's "semantics". No that's the equivalent of a Zerg going 15hatch 15pool and you calling it cheese
If we really disliked incorrect things I feel like you'd have a lot more flame for shit you say in GD threads, lol.
1 guy attacking an inhib = push, but the entire enemy team attacking an inhib = backdoor, according to you. I don't think minions matter much if you're considering inhibs, not towers.
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On March 08 2012 19:20 Zdrastochye wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 19:19 deskscaress wrote:On March 08 2012 19:15 zulu_nation8 wrote:
sydtko probably shouldnt be playing at tourney level ftfy or if you prefer On March 08 2012 19:15 zulu_nation8 wrote:
sydtko probably shouldnt be playing league of legends works too honestly, sydtko is an instant loss. i can't think of a single time he's had any positive impact on a game. it's PATHETIC that you can put up an ad on reddit, find a random player that plays ON A DIFFERENT SERVER, have him fill in for your solo top player, play ZERO practice games, and outperform your starter. PATHETIC. nyjacky is sooooooo good, crumbzz is really really good, cop + elementz aren't anywhere near top tier but definitely passable, but holyyyy shiiiiiiit syyyyyyyyyydtkooooooooooo SYDTKO didn't play any worse than TRM's Irelia. :O
trm doesnt die over and over to ganks tho
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Managed to catch only last 10 mins of the second game. The game could easily go the other way though, I think Crs just wasn't that decisive in the last team fight. if you want to bait them to baron why camp the bush in mid?
Anyway, how exactly we have wait untill the 2nd game?
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That Veigar holy shit! fighting vs double buff like it's nothing.
Was pulling for him to 2 shot someone so they could win a team fight and go to a game 3 but jiji too good with the revives gg.
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Udyr is never gonna kill Swain in lane by himself, the same goes for the reverse. But Swain can bully Udyr and assist ganks much better. Crumbzz feeding double buff to zil allowed jiji to roam all of the lane phase and put even more pressure to top. It wasn't all SYDTKO's misplay, but really being at a disadvantage starting from level 1.
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On March 08 2012 19:25 deathgod6 wrote:
Doublelift gets a lot of bashing (some jokingly) from his team and the community. He did some dumb shit the first game as vayne and some bad chases as ezreal but overall he farms like a beast and had decent positioning in team fights (staying far back when veigar was there). I'm surprised he did so well vayne versus cait, Doublelift is solid.
I don't think anyone is doubting DL's mechanics. It's his decision making that's questionable. The main problem his team tends to have with him (other than pulling stupid stunts) is he prioritizes farming and doesn't come to the team fight. It was good that CLG got a good exchange mid with a 4v5 while DL was bot farming. Otherwise everyone would be 'wtf DL where were you?!?!?!'
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