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At any point of IEM Kiev, if you think of an interesting byline, please drop a sentence in the Pro Scene thread. (e.g. "Day 2: M5 hype was everything people expected")

At the end of the month, I'll catalogue the results of Kiev but also any interesting facts or events that happen over the course of the tournament.

Thanks.

Neo, 20.1.2012
Niton
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2395 Posts
January 21 2012 18:12 GMT
#2481
I was thinking Reginald might play AP Soraka - you see her around occasionally and she's pretty damn strong, but nobody even attempts to play her.
tree.hugger: Coming off of [(T)fantasy v. (T)Really] into [(T)Barracks v. (T)MVP] is like coming out of Manhattan into New Jersey. You just have to speed up and ignore it.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23381 Posts
January 21 2012 18:13 GMT
#2482
Sorakas AP scaling is pretty poor.
thewax
Profile Joined June 2011
Austria365 Posts
January 21 2012 18:13 GMT
#2483
On January 22 2012 03:11 zulu_nation8 wrote:
really dont understand the warmog cass

To not get 1-shottet by Veigar?
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
January 21 2012 18:13 GMT
#2484
On January 22 2012 03:11 zulu_nation8 wrote:
really dont understand the warmog cass

Helps survive the Veigar burst, but when the game is over in 10 minutes, build whatever you want really.
FR4CT4L
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia697 Posts
January 21 2012 18:13 GMT
#2485
On January 22 2012 03:11 zulu_nation8 wrote:
really dont understand the warmog cass


Base damage on cass is really good, being that tanky lets you be aggressive/chase/set up ults.

Also veigar cries since he can't 1shot you :D
Veni, vidi, vici!
necrosed
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil885 Posts
January 21 2012 18:13 GMT
#2486
Heimer, with some special lessons from his brother?
Karma? Orianna? Xerath? AP TF? SO MANY POSSIBILITIES.
Shadow of his former self.
Ayush_SCtoss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
India3051 Posts
January 21 2012 18:13 GMT
#2487
Why does this song sound familiar?
Song name anyone?
End my suffering
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 21 2012 18:13 GMT
#2488
On January 22 2012 03:11 zulu_nation8 wrote:
really dont understand the warmog cass


What's not to understand? Cass has one of the highest DPS of the AP. DoTs + Twin Fang that continues do pewpew if target is poisoned. Whole point is to outlast in team fights and outattrition the enemy AP with her impressive DPS kit.
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daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
January 21 2012 18:14 GMT
#2489
On January 22 2012 03:11 zulu_nation8 wrote:
really dont understand the warmog cass


Regi went over this somewhere a while ago

basically it's because of her E mechanic and the base values. Rank 5 E has 200 base dmg (+.55 ap), so you have massive sustain damage no matter what you build. So he built tanky, more meat before the AD carry. You end up with an AP bruiser who has a game changing ult and REALLY high sustained deeps, add in spellvamp and as long as she isn't hard CCed, she simply won't die.

And ofc vs veigar, the less AP you have, the worse his ult vs you will be.
starfries
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada3508 Posts
January 21 2012 18:14 GMT
#2490
On January 22 2012 03:09 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2012 03:07 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
On January 22 2012 03:06 NeoIllusions wrote:
IEM Kiev Finals is going to be amazing.

Gonna be best Finals in any IEM?

IEM Gamescom Cologne with the insane back and forth between TSM and CLG was pretty intense. But this M5-TSM (most likely) final are going to be pretty scary if both teams bring their A-game (or even S-Class game!). TSM just needs to not capitulate like in scrims.


TSM and M5 are really proving their doubters wrong.

M5, coming into their very first offline event with the strongest showing of any first time team.

TSM, proving that scrims are simply for practice.

It's pretty appropriate that one of M5's members on EUW is "Path of Bonjwa"
DJ – do you like ramen, Savior? Savior – not really. Bisu – I eat it often. Flash – I’m a maniac! | Foxer Fighting!
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 21 2012 18:14 GMT
#2491
Veigar is not an issue. scarra could have picked Kat and Regi would have still build a Mog's in there.
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LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-21 18:15:01
January 21 2012 18:14 GMT
#2492
On January 22 2012 03:11 zulu_nation8 wrote:
really dont understand the warmog cass



they think cass has enough dmg and needs to survive longer for her sustained damage to be even higher.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
January 21 2012 18:14 GMT
#2493
On January 22 2012 03:11 Slayer91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2012 03:10 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
On January 22 2012 03:08 Slayer91 wrote:
Karma, katarina, nidalee, janna, orianna. All options.

Don't forget Talon. No idea why he's not played mid when he beats up most traditional mid-laners.


He's not ap and talon mid was back when talon was good he got nerfed pretty hard. People can just build armour now.

To be fair, it was only a base mp5 nerf and a "you actually have to chose when to w now" nerf. Not a damage nerf.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Stuv
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Netherlands942 Posts
January 21 2012 18:15 GMT
#2494
I can see Heimer being to special jack.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 21 2012 18:15 GMT
#2495
On January 22 2012 03:14 starfries wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2012 03:09 NeoIllusions wrote:
On January 22 2012 03:07 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
On January 22 2012 03:06 NeoIllusions wrote:
IEM Kiev Finals is going to be amazing.

Gonna be best Finals in any IEM?

IEM Gamescom Cologne with the insane back and forth between TSM and CLG was pretty intense. But this M5-TSM (most likely) final are going to be pretty scary if both teams bring their A-game (or even S-Class game!). TSM just needs to not capitulate like in scrims.


TSM and M5 are really proving their doubters wrong.

M5, coming into their very first offline event with the strongest showing of any first time team.

TSM, proving that scrims are simply for practice.

It's pretty appropriate that one of M5's members on EUW is "Path of Bonjwa"


Funny but ugh...
No LoL Bonjwa yet. Not even close >_>
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overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-21 18:18:04
January 21 2012 18:16 GMT
#2496
On January 22 2012 03:11 Slayer91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2012 03:10 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
On January 22 2012 03:08 Slayer91 wrote:
Karma, katarina, nidalee, janna, orianna. All options.

Don't forget Talon. No idea why he's not played mid when he beats up most traditional mid-laners.


He's not ap and talon mid was back when talon was good he got nerfed pretty hard. People can just build armour now.


His damage is exactly the same as it used to be. He just has higher mana cost, increased CD on his ult, and reduced Health/mana regen. If they can build armor now then they could've just built armor before. I'm pretty sure he'd still stomp a lot of APs you'd just have to manage mana well.

And having Sona go into jungle with Shyv would make sense as to why it's so dominate but even with a support helping in jungle I dunno if other junglers could clear quick enough for it to be worth it.

edit:
I dunno if it can count, because it was during LoL's super infancy, but CLG won like every single thing ever for the first year. So maybe bonjwa team lololol. But in all seriousness, I still remember after AD/support bottom meta started and TSM won for the first time ever against CLG. It was a pretty huge deal for CLG to drop a single game to an NA team.
necrosed
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil885 Posts
January 21 2012 18:16 GMT
#2497
Regi said in chat that his secret champion will remain in secret, until it is needed.
Shadow of his former self.
TheLink
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia2725 Posts
January 21 2012 18:16 GMT
#2498
Cass E has no cooldown in teamfights so more hp = more damage rather than needing to stack AP and simply run away until your cooldowns come back like most AP carries. Combine that with the constant spell vamp from gunblade/wota and you become immortal.

Is there seriously a long wait between games? It's 5:00am here and I already decided fuck it, I'm watching this no matter what but if I have another 4 hours of no sleep ahead of me...
Only the weak link is strong enough to break the chain.
OMGKEI
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia590 Posts
January 21 2012 18:17 GMT
#2499
Is the downtime suppose to be this long every time in lol?
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-21 18:17:58
January 21 2012 18:17 GMT
#2500
Bans:

d (first): Rammus, Gragas, Karth
TSM: Kennen, Graves, LS
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