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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14075 Posts
October 05 2011 07:47 GMT
#2981
What? keenen?

I don't know a more conventional team from WE and CLG seeming like more the chars the players like.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
tyCe
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia2542 Posts
October 05 2011 07:48 GMT
#2982
On October 05 2011 16:40 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 16:38 tyCe wrote:
On October 05 2011 16:30 jaybrundage wrote:
On October 05 2011 16:27 tyCe wrote:
I still don't like Jax's snowball power curve even if he was allowed to fulfil it last game only because he was last pick. Being able to 1v5 lategame doesn't create gameplay or teamplay; it discourages it. I think his lategame should be flattened a bit to allowed for more exciting lategames and to force Jax to not play recklessly.

Edit: Daniel said it great when he said that Riot doesn't want DotA-style power curves where a carry can 1v5 and pretty much make every other type of hero feel irrelevant. Jax is one of those outlying champs, that despite its possible counters, goes against Riot's philosophy of making the game winnable at all stages of the game.

I do agree with you that jaxs late game is maybe a bit strong. But remember they did "kill" jax that last fight it was only zileans ulty that let him rez.

Yeah, I'm not saying it's not possible to kill Jax. I'm saying that Jax being so strong lategame forces teams to shut him down immediately at the beginning of a teamfight, effectively dumping all their summoner/major CDs on him, and making them must weaker for the rest of the fight. With ranged carries, it's not so bad because they are squishy despite their obvious offense power, while other tanky dps don't come close to the damage output that Jax has.

Jax being so strong lategame forces opposing teams (with equal farm) into a very compromising and disadvantaged position. No other champ comes close to dictating how the opposing team has to respond as a fed Jax.

Offensively? No. Defensively, there are plenty of other champs that do this. Singed will fuck you up if he is fed enough to ignore your damage. He wont kill you, but he will ensure that all of your carries are dead. Jax is just unique in that he disrupts offensively.

That's my point, Jax can almost ignore your damage while hitting like Kog'Maw with aoe stun. His threat level is so high but his survivability (tankiness+cc+mobility) is just as significant.
Betrayed by EG.BuK
chocolatebunny
Profile Joined September 2011
301 Posts
October 05 2011 07:48 GMT
#2983
On October 05 2011 16:47 napo wrote:
Haha, Im curious how HSGG will do on Kennen, cause every time I saw him with her he just got stomped.


i think they are choose kennen b/ckennen destroys singed in lane
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
October 05 2011 07:48 GMT
#2984
On October 05 2011 16:47 hoppipolla wrote:
Thought SV hated Warwick as a jungler?


He runs him in solo queue a lot. I dunno about tournament play. But SV likes Warwick, he plays him a lot on stream.
Silverfoxx
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States184 Posts
October 05 2011 07:48 GMT
#2985
On October 05 2011 16:45 greatZERG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 16:43 Wrock Atticus wrote:
Oh wow they answered my question on the feed. Eeeek!!! o.O


Can I touch you ?


X3 Nice. I gotta say, I've gotten two shoutouts on stream now over the past two days.

There's this feeling of like "...wait.... WAAIIIIIITTTT.... they just said what I thought in front of 20k people... HOLY JESUS IM IMPORTANT FOR THIRTEEN SECONDS!"

Feels good man! :D
The fox is back.
crossCak
Profile Joined October 2011
United States20 Posts
October 05 2011 07:48 GMT
#2986
Hotshot and Saint have said many times that Kennen is a counter to Singed in lane
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-05 07:49:02
October 05 2011 07:48 GMT
#2987
On October 05 2011 16:47 hoppipolla wrote:
Thought SV hated Warwick as a jungler?

SV pretty much mains wolf. Pretty sure it was his #1 played in Solo Queue
God Bless
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
October 05 2011 07:49 GMT
#2988
CLG dont need tank this game. They just trying to burst down the enemy fast. CLG wins if teamfights are fast, they lose if they are long. You only need tank if you want teamfights to be long.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
PHILtheTANK
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1834 Posts
October 05 2011 07:49 GMT
#2989
Dunno how much I like the picks from CLG. Singed could be really disruptive and just screw them over.
Jieun <3
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
October 05 2011 07:49 GMT
#2990
On October 05 2011 16:48 Silverfoxx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 16:45 greatZERG wrote:
On October 05 2011 16:43 Wrock Atticus wrote:
Oh wow they answered my question on the feed. Eeeek!!! o.O


Can I touch you ?


X3 Nice. I gotta say, I've gotten two shoutouts on stream now over the past two days.

There's this feeling of like "...wait.... WAAIIIIIITTTT.... they just said what I thought in front of 20k people... HOLY JESUS IM IMPORTANT FOR THIRTEEN SECONDS!"

Feels good man! :D


They quoted me on stream last night but didn't say my name. Robbed me of my e-fame.
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-05 07:50:31
October 05 2011 07:49 GMT
#2991
On October 05 2011 16:45 tyCe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 16:38 daemir wrote:
Which is why you want to end game fast if Jax is not on your side. Everyone saw how fast he took down the inhib solo. You got a carry who definately 1v1s anyone on your team, pushes like a madman and is a total terror in team fights (especially combined with zil ult).

Yeah, I understand that there are team comps that shine late and others that shine early. I just don't think any champ carries that hard at any point in the game as a fed Jax. I'm not saying he's unbeatable, but I do think his power curve is too steep as compared to other champs. Being the hardest carry is fine, but being the hardest carry by such a high degree seems problematic to me. His damage, sustain, cc, mobility and tankiness lategame seems too strong in a game where most champs can only specialise in 1-2 categories.


He's similar to Nasus in top, you CANNOT let him free farm. Many champions shut down Jax early; it's WE's fault for last picking Fid and putting GP against him top when they could have last picked an AP top and let GP jungle.

EDIT: Kind of like how CLG just last picked Kennen to counter Singed.
crossCak
Profile Joined October 2011
United States20 Posts
October 05 2011 07:49 GMT
#2992
Actually, I watch SV's stream a lot, he doesn't use WW that much any more.
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
October 05 2011 07:49 GMT
#2993
wolf so boring to watch tho

then again jiji has orianna, PLEASE spectate that a lot
hoppipolla
Profile Joined January 2010
Australia782 Posts
October 05 2011 07:49 GMT
#2994
On October 05 2011 16:48 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 16:47 hoppipolla wrote:
Thought SV hated Warwick as a jungler?


He runs him in solo queue a lot. I dunno about tournament play. But SV likes Warwick, he plays him a lot on stream.

I've just heard him drunken rage at how useless ww is before 6.
"It's not acceptable"
tissue
Profile Joined April 2009
Malaysia441 Posts
October 05 2011 07:50 GMT
#2995
I guess you have the leeway to pronounce it whatever you like, since it's normal to mangle chinese names, but the Zhou in Guangzhou is actually pronounced closest to 'joe'.

The CLG picks seem more tailored for good laning. Perhaps they're just planning to outlane them like in solo queue and get their farm on.
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
October 05 2011 07:50 GMT
#2996
CLG throwing game 2 to hype up the finals, where they shall continue the stomp from game 1.

China metagame, back to the drawing board.
Hey! How you doin'?
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
October 05 2011 07:51 GMT
#2997
TL getting so much advertising :D:D
alchdemon
Profile Joined October 2011
10 Posts
October 05 2011 07:51 GMT
#2998
I don't like clgs, too much ap, no real tank. If warwick doesn't go AD caitlyn will be the only AD meaning that if WE is willing to get merucry treads and 1 negatron cloak CLGs aps are gonna become mostly useless.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
October 05 2011 07:51 GMT
#2999
I love you Zenon and Joe.
napo
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Romania622 Posts
October 05 2011 07:52 GMT
#3000
On October 05 2011 16:48 crossCak wrote:
Hotshot and Saint have said many times that Kennen is a counter to Singed in lane

Im curious how this will play out. Interesting point though.
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