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paralleluniverse
Profile Joined July 2010
4065 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-19 13:05:18
July 19 2015 13:03 GMT
#21
On July 17 2015 07:28 OtherWorld wrote:
MMR should have been public from the beginning anyways. There's no reason to hide it from the players, as leagues are way too large to be a true indication of one's skill.

@poster above : are you sure? I remember having been promoted last season after a loss

The reason why MMR is hidden is to hide the fact that the current ladder system is a charade, a joke.

If MMR was shown (and I agree it should be), then people would ask:
- My MMR is 2100 at the end of last season, and now that the new season has started, it still 2100, so what's the point of even having seasons given that nothing has changed?
- My points and league is lower than my friend, but my MMR is higher, so am I better than him or not?
- If I'm better than my friend because my MMR is higher, then why is my points and league lower?

It would be dangerous for Blizzard if people started asking such dangerous questions.
29 fps
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States5725 Posts
July 19 2015 14:52 GMT
#22
The thing that people REALLY want: separate MMR for each race.
4v4 is a battle of who has the better computer.
Odowan Paleolithic
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
United States232 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-21 00:00:00
July 20 2015 23:37 GMT
#23
Anyway to view LotV ladder outside the game yet?

Edit: Save lichter from Kespa Jail first before we can create meaningful esports.
I need a bigger fridge. I cannot hold all the Cheese that are given to me.
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10757 Posts
July 20 2015 23:58 GMT
#24
Save ESPORTS
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jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-21 00:37:09
July 21 2015 00:34 GMT
#25
With unranked, ladder should show mmr

in regards to few posts above:

can't blizzard pay/buy sc2chart and implement it in sc2 to show full details of the player? tendencies, stats, etc.
this would great little feature than just win/loss ratio...actually, well, there isn't even win/loss ratio.
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i)awn
Profile Joined October 2011
United States189 Posts
July 21 2015 02:43 GMT
#26
To be honest, thinking about it, I just wanna know my league standing. I would play the game to my best every time, why would wanna know anything besides my current league. In all fairness, even the exact position in your league doesn't matter.
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10757 Posts
July 21 2015 02:51 GMT
#27
just give us the damn PGT / ICCUP style ladder like in broodwar, or for god sakes even bring back the old battle.net ladder system if they wanted to, this is just simply utterly terrible. Back in the old battle.net ladder system it was everyone in one big ass division on every server, sorry for the rant but I am so tired of this terrible ladder system. Back in broodwar if a player was A- Level, he hit A-. It wasn't a given said amount of A- players at any given point. (In reference to GM)

I refuse to say that GM is to SC2 as Olympic is to BW, reaching Olympic rank in BW is an entire different league / category in its own.
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