EPTIn my mind it's like: MYM is actively working with Riot, vice versa, helping each other paint as beautiful a pic as they can with the incoming shitstorm. And then there's Kori.
okay.
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ShootAnonymous
1948 Posts
In my mind it's like: MYM is actively working with Riot, vice versa, helping each other paint as beautiful a pic as they can with the incoming shitstorm. And then there's Kori. okay. | ||
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Denmark9415 Posts
[1/30/2015 3:21:15 PM] Khaled Naim: but your fine will be high [1/30/2015 3:21:24 PM] Khaled Naim: this is what I have discussed with Riot too [1/30/2015 3:21:27 PM] Khaled Naim: AND [1/30/2015 3:21:37 PM] Khaled Naim: we will find a pr strategy together with riot [1/30/2015 3:21:45 PM] Khaled Naim: to make some statements about you and mym and what happened] I am not actually sure Khaled meant he had talked to Riot about giving Kori a high fine. Rather, I think it's more likely that he meant something like this: "This is what I have discussed with Riot: We will find a PR strategy together" or "and this is what I have talked to Riot about..." When you write skype logs quite quickly, sometimes you mess up the structure of the sentences, and I think this is kinda what has occured here, as it doesn't make alot of sense for why he would need Riot's validility to give him a big fine. Kori did breach his contract and it had severe contracts for the organizaiton, and therefore MYM could legally and morally fine him. [1/30/2015 3:08:35 PM] Khaled Naim: “We would have prevented him from playing LCS or CS while he had the MYM contract though I can fully understand why he wanted to prevent him from doing that, but this is a case where it seems as if Khaled wasn't aware of the rules. Looking isolated at the comment, I don't see anything fineable about it - as long as he was in "good" faith while writing it (if there are reasons to believe he knew what he wrote wasn't true, it should be fineable ofc). It would also be fineable if he succesfully had prevented him from playing challenger-series (even if he was in good faith - his comment on the other hand merely presents a hypothetical scenario). Or if he had used the Riot-reference here (something like: I talked to Riot and we want to ban you from playing in challenger or LCS). Also weren't there issues with other members of SHC not getting paid, not just Kori? It seems unlikely that after chasing payments for months the problem would still be a tax form. I think all players have been paid, but LS wasn't paid for a period (according to him). If I was Riot, I would definitely also investigate that matter, but I think this should be handled seperately. Regardless, I don't disagree that MYM seems somewhat shady, but in this case specifically the witchhunt seems to be overblown as I don't think MYM CEO knew about house-comment, they had paid wages, and they had apparently talked to Riot about PR comment. | ||
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
You don't see how there is a motivation to use Riot's involvement as leverage over Kori? The point isn't about what's fineable or not, it's about the CEO and the organisation being every bit as bad as the manager they fired. He was quoting Riot in that last section. [1/30/2015 3:07:32 PM] Khaled Naim: Did you come back to us, because Riot wouldnt allow you to play LCS or CS neither EU or NA? [1/30/2015 3:07:46 PM] chuyou: afaik riot will allow me to play [1/30/2015 3:07:52 PM] chuyou: but i came to you [1/30/2015 3:07:57 PM] chuyou: beacouse i wanted to go back to you [1/30/2015 3:08:13 PM] Khaled Naim: Good answer [1/30/2015 3:08:17 PM] Khaled Naim: Thanks for that [1/30/2015 3:08:19 PM] chuyou: np [1/30/2015 3:08:21 PM | Edited 3:08:23 PM] Khaled Naim: you think riot would let you play? [1/30/2015 3:08:30 PM] chuyou: yea [1/30/2015 3:08:35 PM] Khaled Naim: “We would have prevented him from playing LCS or CS while he had the MYM contract though we strongly believe that contracts need to be followed and yours was one of the better esports contracts I've seen” [1/30/2015 3:08:51 PM] Khaled Naim: So you were not allowed to play for other teams unimportant where in LCS or CS. | ||
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Denmark9415 Posts
He was quoting Riot in that last section. [1/30/2015 3:07:32 PM] Khaled Naim: Did you come back to us, because Riot wouldnt allow you to play LCS or CS neither EU or NA? [1/30/2015 3:07:46 PM] chuyou: afaik riot will allow me to play [1/30/2015 3:07:52 PM] chuyou: but i came to you [1/30/2015 3:07:57 PM] chuyou: beacouse i wanted to go back to you [1/30/2015 3:08:13 PM] Khaled Naim: Good answer [1/30/2015 3:08:17 PM] Khaled Naim: Thanks for that [1/30/2015 3:08:19 PM] chuyou: np [1/30/2015 3:08:21 PM | Edited 3:08:23 PM] Khaled Naim: you think riot would let you play? [1/30/2015 3:08:30 PM] chuyou: yea [1/30/2015 3:08:35 PM] Khaled Naim: “We would have prevented him from playing LCS or CS while he had the MYM contract though we strongly believe that contracts need to be followed and yours was one of the better esports contracts I've seen” [1/30/2015 3:08:51 PM] Khaled Naim: So you were not allowed to play for other teams unimportant where in LCS or CS. Can you link me to some sources that makes it apparent that he isn't quoting Riot? If you look at that comment you see that Kori already had decided to go back to MYM, so there was no reason to make up a lie at that point in time (he didn't gain anything from it). Ofc that doesn't make it impossible, but combined with Riot not commenting on it, it seems less likely. You don't see how there is a motivation to use Riot's involvement as leverage over Kori? I think it's more likely you need leverage when your case isn't good. In this scenario, MYM had all the rights to fine him, especially since Riot says | ||
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
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ripvlcn7
32 Posts
I am going to be curious how the audience treats MYM this week. | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On February 12 2015 23:56 ripvlcn7 wrote: I think I may skip EU LCS this week. I understand that they don't have enough evidence to do more but it feels really light to me. I am going to be curious how the audience treats MYM this week. There are players, are they going to boo them like Danish audience boo'd Russian girls on Eurovision? Not sure that it's going to happen, probably Selfie is going to get ovation, that's kinda it. And I hope, that's going to be it, actual games shouldn't be mixed with behind the scenes stuff. | ||
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Loerreslord
Germany4 Posts
On February 12 2015 21:46 Ansibled wrote: Well the ESH article I quoted earlier is a source that Riot said a different thing, though it is of course possible that Riot give out two contradictory pieces of information at the same time. https://twitter.com/brayllcs/status/565853501083766786 https://twitter.com/brayllcs/status/565853598743932929 The second tweet is news to me. At what point in time was the threat of physical violence made known to the public? I saw very little about although I think (if true) that should be huge news. | ||
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Mensol
14536 Posts
On February 11 2015 02:20 739 wrote: You know what's the funniest thing? 2. Also present in the room was MYM’s e-sports manager, Damir ‘NestlieK’ Dedic This NestliK guy. Who was a 'coach' for DotA2 ex-mouz and ex-MYM team with Ace, unicornxoxo, Cr1t etc. etc. when I was still part of it. Dude that has no freaking idea about managing a team and is well known racist (http://www.gosugamers.net/forums/topic/1029249-elpride-lions-pride-racist-flame/) and still a kid, this should explain what kind of people are in MYM organisation. I think its kinda ironic that you are the one who call him racist. No doubt they took you into their organization. bad move from Riot, they should revoke MYM's LCS license. | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On February 13 2015 00:53 Mensol wrote: I think its kinda ironic that you are the one who call him racist. No doubt they took you into their organization. bad move from Riot, they should revoke MYM's LCS license. And then people are going to ask Riot to revoke more teams licenses after any fuckup. - Poached? Revoke! - Hadn't paused? Revoke, that's simply unsportsmanlike! - Wait, this fucker doesn't have suit? RE-VO-KE. This punishment might look hilarious on paper, considering that CLG got fined more for just random speaking, but they can't revoke license, that's just not how it's supposed to be. Unless you're Yuji Ide, it shouldn't happen. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On February 13 2015 01:07 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: And then people are going to ask Riot to revoke more teams licenses after any fuckup. - Poached? Revoke! - Hadn't paused? Revoke, that's simply unsportsmanlike! - Wait, this fucker doesn't have suit? RE-VO-KE. This punishment might look hilarious on paper, considering that CLG got fined more for just random speaking, but they can't revoke license, that's just not how it's supposed to be. Unless you're Yuji Ide, it shouldn't happen. Well in that statement Riot said that they can and will revoke a license if there are more transgressions. Personalyl I am disappointed by the ruling, although I understand that kicking out a team is problematic and might be too much. At least I would have liked to see some sanctions against this Khaled guy. | ||
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
On February 13 2015 00:52 Loerreslord wrote: The second tweet is news to me. At what point in time was the threat of physical violence made known to the public? I saw very little about although I think (if true) that should be huge news. Yeah I don't think there's been a report about it but the tweet is from the person who wrote the ESH story so you'd think they'd have access to that kind of information. Very disturbing if true. | ||
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Loerreslord
Germany4 Posts
On February 13 2015 04:49 Ansibled wrote: Yeah I don't think there's been a report about it but the tweet is from the person who wrote the ESH story so you'd think they'd have access to that kind of information. Very disturbing if true. It puts a different spin on the story but I don't see why this hasn't been made public earlier. While the threat about the house was over the top and frankly disgusting, in a legal sense Kori actually owed MYM something (as it was seemingly his fault he didn't get paid, which in turn led to the hold-out) threatening physical violence should have a lot more serious ramifications. | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On February 12 2015 18:20 ShootAnonymous wrote: huh. I'm biased af because of bad impression of MYM (as an org) from their involvement in other games (DotA1) so reading Riot's statements it feels like Riot is being awfully considerate towards MYM. Also WC3. MYM is an organization with an incredibly shady past to a lot of people that have been following various games for a long time now. I have a very difficult time offering them any benefit of the doubt and removing bias from my opinions when it comes to judging them. | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
HUGE. | ||
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North2
134 Posts
Even for all of you guys that believes MYM is like some evil empire, remember that Kori screwed over all of his teammates too. Edit: Well, unless his teammates were totally okay with it. | ||
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
So that's the actual quote then. | ||
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