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krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
October 05 2014 11:04 GMT
#981
--- Nuked ---
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 05 2014 11:13 GMT
#982
Why would you complete the Claim over the Talisman though? Just sell the edge once you've got enough money to get Talisman.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
October 05 2014 11:15 GMT
#983
On October 05 2014 20:04 krndandaman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2014 19:01 Alaric wrote:
'cept if Janna builds Talisman she'll have her bonus base MS if that's what you want. And it's the best gold item on her so...

I think it was 2 nights ago that Scarra talked a bit on stream about how he just didn't find something that droven him anymore at Dignitas, and that it was why he left them.


doesn't everyone go spellthief's on janna now?

They shouldn't. Unless you take almost no damage in lane coin out trades knife.

On October 05 2014 10:29 Ketara wrote:
BTW, Sufficiency doesn't buy boots in a 40 minute game.

Cancerous.

No boots Janna is def solo queue legit

You get you're core items (talisman etc) faster and your move speed isn't ever lower than your ad (exception is MF) so your map control isn't ever impacted unless you're super ballsy about deep warding the enemy jungle with no support.

Isn't to say that boots don't have their place but so does no boots on Janna.

Shit, no one here believed me when I told them that w max Janna was legit either but Lemon played that shit in quarterfinals.
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
October 05 2014 11:34 GMT
#984
I rarely (if ever) see someone start ancient coin on Janna in competitive play. On Probuilds I have to go back over 60 games to find someone who didn't start spellthief.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35150 Posts
October 05 2014 12:19 GMT
#985
On October 05 2014 20:15 Goumindong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2014 20:04 krndandaman wrote:
On October 05 2014 19:01 Alaric wrote:
'cept if Janna builds Talisman she'll have her bonus base MS if that's what you want. And it's the best gold item on her so...

I think it was 2 nights ago that Scarra talked a bit on stream about how he just didn't find something that droven him anymore at Dignitas, and that it was why he left them.


doesn't everyone go spellthief's on janna now?

They shouldn't. Unless you take almost no damage in lane coin out trades knife.

FQC has better utility through it's slow.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 05 2014 12:19 GMT
#986
Starting != buying the t3
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
October 05 2014 14:00 GMT
#987
Why would you ever start with coin? Spellthief provides you more combat stats and is nice for trading autoattacks, especially good for Janna, since she can shield and hit few AA's. Don't like coin personally.
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Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
October 05 2014 14:10 GMT
#988
You used to sell frostfang for Talisman back when Talismans raw stats were way way better (20% CDR vs. 0)

When they changed the base stats on the item it stopped making sense. FQC has better base stats now (and better gold generation late game), and while the active is worse in some situations, it's never much worse and doesn't really justify spending the extra gold to switch items.

Then you add in Spellthief/Frostfangs better laning power and it makes sense that basically nobody builds Talisman anymore.

I still build Talisman on Soraka though, because HP regen on new Soraka is super legit.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Celial
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
2602 Posts
October 05 2014 15:17 GMT
#989
I take coin over edge any day in solo queue (on Janna) because of the sick sustain and way more reliable gold income. If your ADC sucks you can't walk up to auto and have to Q them, which pushes the lane (what you dont want with a bad ADC). With a great ADC you still do more than enough damage with 2 shield AAs.

Sure I could bully a little bit more with edge, but then again its yoloqueue and I have to look out for myself too. I'll gladly take the well rounded coin line over the very lopsided - although stronger harass oriented - edge line.
Do not regret. Always forward, never back.
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
October 05 2014 15:20 GMT
#990
coin makes the game boring as hell just run ad runes and spellthief and go fucking in
Bronze player stuck in platinum
chalice
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1945 Posts
October 05 2014 15:41 GMT
#991
the other night i had to lane with a janna that started relic shield.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
October 05 2014 15:57 GMT
#992
I want to hear a legit argument of spellthief over talisman for Janna that does not involve "all the pros do it".

I have tried spellthief on Janna. I think it is pure garbage.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
October 05 2014 16:03 GMT
#993
I thought pros go for spellthiefs because they tend to not always be in lane so the passive gold gen is a lot more valuable than the coins one as you need to stay in lane for it to work until you level it up.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
October 05 2014 16:05 GMT
#994
Spellthief is better in laneswaps cause you can both push towers faster and you have better roams.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-05 16:09:37
October 05 2014 16:08 GMT
#995
On October 05 2014 21:19 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2014 20:15 Goumindong wrote:
On October 05 2014 20:04 krndandaman wrote:
On October 05 2014 19:01 Alaric wrote:
'cept if Janna builds Talisman she'll have her bonus base MS if that's what you want. And it's the best gold item on her so...

I think it was 2 nights ago that Scarra talked a bit on stream about how he just didn't find something that droven him anymore at Dignitas, and that it was why he left them.


doesn't everyone go spellthief's on janna now?

They shouldn't. Unless you take almost no damage in lane coin out trades knife.

FQC has better utility through it's slow.

FQC sets up nado really well, makes it so Janna can be more than just disengage.
On October 05 2014 20:15 Goumindong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2014 20:04 krndandaman wrote:
On October 05 2014 19:01 Alaric wrote:
'cept if Janna builds Talisman she'll have her bonus base MS if that's what you want. And it's the best gold item on her so...

I think it was 2 nights ago that Scarra talked a bit on stream about how he just didn't find something that droven him anymore at Dignitas, and that it was why he left them.


doesn't everyone go spellthief's on janna now?

They shouldn't. Unless you take almost no damage in lane coin out trades knife.

Show nested quote +
On October 05 2014 10:29 Ketara wrote:
BTW, Sufficiency doesn't buy boots in a 40 minute game.

Cancerous.

No boots Janna is def solo queue legit

You get you're core items (talisman etc) faster and your move speed isn't ever lower than your ad (exception is MF) so your map control isn't ever impacted unless you're super ballsy about deep warding the enemy jungle with no support.

Isn't to say that boots don't have their place but so does no boots on Janna.

Shit, no one here believed me when I told them that w max Janna was legit either but Lemon played that shit in quarterfinals.

arguably why they loss that game though.
liftlift > tsm
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
October 05 2014 16:09 GMT
#996
Yes and you laneswap 24/7 in solo queue.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-05 16:11:36
October 05 2014 16:10 GMT
#997
On October 06 2014 00:57 Sufficiency wrote:
I want to hear a legit argument of spellthief over talisman for Janna that does not involve "all the pros do it".

I have tried spellthief on Janna. I think it is pure garbage.

all the pros do it is a better argument than your solo q experiences. lol.
liftlift > tsm
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
October 05 2014 16:12 GMT
#998
Tried Ali top for the first time in a looong while, missed all WQ combo's

Is ali top actually good in soloq or only in competitive?
- TEAM LIQUID - doctorbeat on LoL
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 05 2014 16:13 GMT
#999
On October 06 2014 01:12 Doctorbeat wrote:
Tried Ali top for the first time in a looong while, missed all WQ combo's

Is ali top actually good in soloq or only in competitive?

You missed the hype, much much much much stronger before the nerf.
liftlift > tsm
Complete
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1864 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-05 16:14:26
October 05 2014 16:14 GMT
#1000
honestly I'm not sure it is. Pro games are a whole different beast than solo queue. Just because something is good in a pro game doesn't make it good in solo queue.

on another note, does anybody play ranked 5's a lot? Does it ever balance out in terms of playing people around your own skill level? My team is gold 4 and we still play master/challenger teams, d1 teams, d1-d5 teams more than half our games...
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