• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 11:30
CEST 17:30
KST 00:30
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL19] Finals Preview: Daunting Task28[ASL19] Ro4 Recap : The Peak15DreamHack Dallas 2025 - Info & Preview19herO wins GSL Code S Season 1 (2025)17Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, GuMiho, Classic, Cure6
Community News
[BSL20] RO20 Group Stage2EWC 2025 Regional Qualifiers (May 28-June 1)9Weekly Cups (May 12-18): Clem sweeps WardiTV May3Code S Season 2 (2025) - Qualifier Results212025 GSL Season 2 (Qualifiers)14
StarCraft 2
General
Aligulac.com changelog and feedback thread Interview with oPZesty on Cheeseadelphia/Coaching herO wins GSL Code S Season 1 (2025) DreamHack Dallas 2025 - Info & Preview Power Rank: October 2018
Tourneys
DreamHack Dallas 2025 EWC 2025 Regional Qualifiers (May 28-June 1) Last Chance Qualifiers for OlimoLeague 2024 Winter $5,100+ SEL Season 2 Championship (SC: Evo) StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly)
Strategy
Simple Questions Simple Answers [G] PvT Cheese: 13 Gate Proxy Robo
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 474 Futile Resistance Mutation # 473 Cold is the Void Mutation # 472 Dead Heat Mutation # 471 Delivery Guaranteed
Brood War
General
BGH auto balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ [ASL19] Finals Preview: Daunting Task ASL 19 Tickets for foreigners [ASL19] Ro4 Recap : The Peak BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[ASL19] Grand Finals [ASL19] Ro8 Day 4 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL20] RO20 Group Stage
Strategy
I am doing this better than progamers do. [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
LiquidLegends to reintegrate into TL.net
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread TL Mafia Plays: Diplomacy TL Mafia: Generative Agents Showdown Survivor II: The Amazon
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Trading/Investing Thread
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2025 Football Thread NHL Playoffs 2024 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Cleaning My Mechanical Keyboard How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard?
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TL.net Ten Commandments
Blogs
Yes Sir! How Commanding Impr…
TrAiDoS
Poker
Nebuchad
Info SLEgma_12
SLEgma_12
SECOND COMMING
XenOsky
WombaT’s Old BW Terran Theme …
WombaT
BW PvZ Balance hypothetic…
Vasoline73
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 16248 users

Cheep's All-Star's 2014 Thoughts + Predictions - Page 3

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next All
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
May 05 2014 18:15 GMT
#41
And also, I don't know why you discredit SKT. Sure Bengi's champion pool is an issue, but let's be honest here. Their mid laner is still probably the best player in the world, and their AD carry is still playing at a very high level. Sure, their top has been slumping recently and they didn't do all that well in OGN, but you have to consider the fact that the rest of Korea has caught up to them. Take a look at their competition in OGN. In the quarterfinals, you had SKT T1 K, Samsung Blue, Samsung Ozone, CJ Frost, CJ Blaze, KT Arrows, KT Bullets, and Najin Shield. Of those eight teams, at least half of them if you put in place of SKT would undoubtedly take first place.

Just because OMG plays in the land of the shitters who all buy stacking items because they lose their wills to live doesn't mean they'll beat SKT. OMG's lost games to WE and iG in the last couple of months in fairly convincing fashion as well. And we all saw how those teams fared at IEM. They got shit on by NA and EU. So to discredit SKT for poor performance as of late is somewhat questionable simply because we all saw what KT Bullets were able to do at IEM.
God Bless
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
May 05 2014 18:16 GMT
#42
As a C9 / Link fan, I agree on the value of C9 as a team. Unfortunately, Cheep wrote this article so something is going to get fucked up. Hopefully they finish top 2 somehow instead of bottom 2 =/
Jaedong :3
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-05 18:17:42
May 05 2014 18:17 GMT
#43
On May 06 2014 03:10 wei2coolman wrote:
http://www.gosugamers.net/rankings

just found this little nugget of gold.

skt 1k > c9 > omg > tpa > fnatic. huehuehue.

Cloud 9 with Link will not beat OMG, even if they had to play Cool. Cloud 9 with Link won't even beat Fnatic because Fnatic OWNS Cloud 9 when it matters.
God Bless
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
May 05 2014 18:19 GMT
#44
On May 06 2014 03:17 Roffles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2014 03:10 wei2coolman wrote:
http://www.gosugamers.net/rankings

just found this little nugget of gold.

skt 1k > c9 > omg > tpa > fnatic. huehuehue.

Cloud 9 with Link will not beat OMG, even if they had to play Cool. Cloud 9 with Link won't even beat Fnatic because Fnatic OWNS Cloud 9 when it matters.

http://na.lolesports.com/articles/power-rankings-week-15

Jack "TeamLiquid staff writer. Has covered OGN, NA and EU LCS for TL and lolesports.com. Regularly watches most of the five major leagues" Ho would beg to differ and agree that C9 > TPA > Fnatic
Administrator@TL_Zess
| (• ◡•)|八 (❍ᴥ❍ʋ)
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-05 18:20:51
May 05 2014 18:19 GMT
#45
cloud9 with link is about 50/50 with tpa

On May 06 2014 03:19 xes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2014 03:17 Roffles wrote:
On May 06 2014 03:10 wei2coolman wrote:
http://www.gosugamers.net/rankings

just found this little nugget of gold.

skt 1k > c9 > omg > tpa > fnatic. huehuehue.

Cloud 9 with Link will not beat OMG, even if they had to play Cool. Cloud 9 with Link won't even beat Fnatic because Fnatic OWNS Cloud 9 when it matters.

http://na.lolesports.com/articles/power-rankings-week-15

Jack "TeamLiquid staff writer. Has covered OGN, NA and EU LCS for TL and lolesports.com. Regularly watches most of the five major leagues" Ho would beg to differ and agree that C9 > TPA > Fnatic


The Neoillusions-approved and Riot-approved PR also had C9 and Fnatic over KTB during IEM though
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
May 05 2014 18:26 GMT
#46
On May 06 2014 03:19 Kupon3ss wrote:
cloud9 with link is about 50/50 with tpa

Show nested quote +
On May 06 2014 03:19 xes wrote:
On May 06 2014 03:17 Roffles wrote:
On May 06 2014 03:10 wei2coolman wrote:
http://www.gosugamers.net/rankings

just found this little nugget of gold.

skt 1k > c9 > omg > tpa > fnatic. huehuehue.

Cloud 9 with Link will not beat OMG, even if they had to play Cool. Cloud 9 with Link won't even beat Fnatic because Fnatic OWNS Cloud 9 when it matters.

http://na.lolesports.com/articles/power-rankings-week-15

Jack "TeamLiquid staff writer. Has covered OGN, NA and EU LCS for TL and lolesports.com. Regularly watches most of the five major leagues" Ho would beg to differ and agree that C9 > TPA > Fnatic


The Neoillusions-approved and Riot-approved PR also had C9 and Fnatic over KTB during IEM though

I agree with this sentiment. 50-50 C9 vs TPA. Having subs, especially ones you haven't played with for a long time isn't a recipe for success.
God Bless
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-05 18:29:16
May 05 2014 18:28 GMT
#47
Also, let's get this fucking cleared up. Jack "Regularly watches most of the 5 major leagues" NeoIllusions Ho probably watches a grand total of 0 leagues. Probably just reads like Leaguepedia and asks Yango which teams in China aren't shit.

User was temp banned for this post.
God Bless
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
May 05 2014 18:29 GMT
#48
Csheep ur cute
WriterXiao8~~
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21242 Posts
May 05 2014 18:30 GMT
#49
On May 06 2014 00:38 Thinasy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2014 00:01 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On May 05 2014 23:56 AlterKot wrote:
On May 05 2014 23:40 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Prime Optimus’ miraculous 2-0 victory over SKT S gave SKT K a tie breaker opportunity against their sister team, and SKT K managed to squeeze through to the Ro8. There, Dade, leading Samsung Blue, avenged himself against Faker, and a 1-3 defeat signaled SKT K’s exit from Champions Spring 2014.

No, they lost to Ozone, not Blue. Quarters were Ozone-T1K, Frost-Blue, Blaze-Bullets and Shield-Arrows :p

Great read though, hopefully it'll get to page 4 of r/lol


Woops meant Pawn/Ozone thanks for the catch.


Also, Fnatic lost in the ro4 vs Royal Club not ro8 (Season 3 worlds)



Thanks.
TranslatorBaa!
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-05 18:42:52
May 05 2014 18:42 GMT
#50
Anyways, my TLDR is that Cheep just hates Euros and is a homer China fanboy.
God Bless
Hagen0
Profile Joined June 2013
Germany765 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-05 18:44:10
May 05 2014 18:43 GMT
#51
On May 06 2014 03:10 wei2coolman wrote:
http://www.gosugamers.net/rankings

just found this little nugget of gold.

skt 1k > c9 > omg > tpa > fnatic. huehuehue.

actually that might be possible
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
May 05 2014 18:47 GMT
#52
On May 06 2014 03:43 Hagen0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2014 03:10 wei2coolman wrote:
http://www.gosugamers.net/rankings

just found this little nugget of gold.

skt 1k > c9 > omg > tpa > fnatic. huehuehue.

actually that might be possible

Absolutely not. On a good day with Hai playing for Cloud 9, they've never won a meaningful series against Fnatic ever. They've only played a few teams in international play, but they've always gotten dumped on by Fnatic when it mattered most. The teams are still the same, the players are still the same. You wanna say Fnatic has weaker laners? Fnatic outlaned Cloud 9 at IEM just a couple of months ago.
God Bless
Kickboxer
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Slovenia1308 Posts
May 05 2014 18:49 GMT
#53
Y'all insane. If Fnatic finishes last I'll eat my shorts.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-05 18:54:32
May 05 2014 18:53 GMT
#54
On May 06 2014 03:47 Roffles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2014 03:43 Hagen0 wrote:
On May 06 2014 03:10 wei2coolman wrote:
http://www.gosugamers.net/rankings

just found this little nugget of gold.

skt 1k > c9 > omg > tpa > fnatic. huehuehue.

actually that might be possible

Absolutely not. On a good day with Hai playing for Cloud 9, they've never won a meaningful series against Fnatic ever. They've only played a few teams in international play, but they've always gotten dumped on by Fnatic when it mattered most. The teams are still the same, the players are still the same. You wanna say Fnatic has weaker laners? Fnatic outlaned Cloud 9 at IEM just a couple of months ago.

Wasn't the losses against fnatics always 2-1 though? And they did win BotA 2-0.
I think the overall match up for Fnatic vs C9 is 2 Bo3 wins for Fnatic and 1 BO3 loss (which is actually 4 games a piece for each team). I don't think fnatic "dumped" on c9 as hard as you think, history suggests the match up is actually pretty close.

liftlift > tsm
RouaF
Profile Joined October 2010
France4120 Posts
May 05 2014 19:40 GMT
#55
On May 06 2014 03:19 Kupon3ss wrote:
cloud9 with link is about 50/50 with tpa

Show nested quote +
On May 06 2014 03:19 xes wrote:
On May 06 2014 03:17 Roffles wrote:
On May 06 2014 03:10 wei2coolman wrote:
http://www.gosugamers.net/rankings

just found this little nugget of gold.

skt 1k > c9 > omg > tpa > fnatic. huehuehue.

Cloud 9 with Link will not beat OMG, even if they had to play Cool. Cloud 9 with Link won't even beat Fnatic because Fnatic OWNS Cloud 9 when it matters.

http://na.lolesports.com/articles/power-rankings-week-15

Jack "TeamLiquid staff writer. Has covered OGN, NA and EU LCS for TL and lolesports.com. Regularly watches most of the five major leagues" Ho would beg to differ and agree that C9 > TPA > Fnatic


The Neoillusions-approved and Riot-approved PR also had C9 and Fnatic over KTB during IEM though

Rofl this power ranking I can't stop laughing. C9 ahead of KT B when both these teams were at IEM and KT B finished 1st easily and C9 3rd/4th ? Why are they THAT biased ? It's just sad.
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
May 05 2014 19:51 GMT
#56
On May 06 2014 03:42 Roffles wrote:
Anyways, my TLDR is that Cheep just hates Euros and is a homer China fanboy.


LOOOOL

I wuv you Roffles :3
/人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\ Make a contract with me and join TLADT | Onodera isn't actually a girl, she's just a doormat you walk over to get to the girl. - Numy 2015
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
May 05 2014 19:52 GMT
#57
On May 06 2014 04:40 RouaF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2014 03:19 Kupon3ss wrote:
cloud9 with link is about 50/50 with tpa

On May 06 2014 03:19 xes wrote:
On May 06 2014 03:17 Roffles wrote:
On May 06 2014 03:10 wei2coolman wrote:
http://www.gosugamers.net/rankings

just found this little nugget of gold.

skt 1k > c9 > omg > tpa > fnatic. huehuehue.

Cloud 9 with Link will not beat OMG, even if they had to play Cool. Cloud 9 with Link won't even beat Fnatic because Fnatic OWNS Cloud 9 when it matters.

http://na.lolesports.com/articles/power-rankings-week-15

Jack "TeamLiquid staff writer. Has covered OGN, NA and EU LCS for TL and lolesports.com. Regularly watches most of the five major leagues" Ho would beg to differ and agree that C9 > TPA > Fnatic


The Neoillusions-approved and Riot-approved PR also had C9 and Fnatic over KTB during IEM though

Rofl this power ranking I can't stop laughing. C9 ahead of KT B when both these teams were at IEM and KT B finished 1st easily and C9 3rd/4th ? Why are they THAT biased ? It's just sad.


It's hugely in their interest to promote a story of "separate but equal" between regions. After all, people saw what the harsh realities of Korean vs Western Esports did to SC2.
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
RouaF
Profile Joined October 2010
France4120 Posts
May 05 2014 20:10 GMT
#58
On May 06 2014 04:52 Kupon3ss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2014 04:40 RouaF wrote:
On May 06 2014 03:19 Kupon3ss wrote:
cloud9 with link is about 50/50 with tpa

On May 06 2014 03:19 xes wrote:
On May 06 2014 03:17 Roffles wrote:
On May 06 2014 03:10 wei2coolman wrote:
http://www.gosugamers.net/rankings

just found this little nugget of gold.

skt 1k > c9 > omg > tpa > fnatic. huehuehue.

Cloud 9 with Link will not beat OMG, even if they had to play Cool. Cloud 9 with Link won't even beat Fnatic because Fnatic OWNS Cloud 9 when it matters.

http://na.lolesports.com/articles/power-rankings-week-15

Jack "TeamLiquid staff writer. Has covered OGN, NA and EU LCS for TL and lolesports.com. Regularly watches most of the five major leagues" Ho would beg to differ and agree that C9 > TPA > Fnatic


The Neoillusions-approved and Riot-approved PR also had C9 and Fnatic over KTB during IEM though

Rofl this power ranking I can't stop laughing. C9 ahead of KT B when both these teams were at IEM and KT B finished 1st easily and C9 3rd/4th ? Why are they THAT biased ? It's just sad.


It's hugely in their interest to promote a story of "separate but equal" between regions. After all, people saw what the harsh realities of Korean vs Western Esports did to SC2.

Then why don't they give C9 more international experience so they can REALLY have a chance at competing with europeans and koreans ? At the moment C9 is the genius of the NA scene but it doesn't matter since they are stuck playing versus peasants they can't improve. Writing power ranking and placing them higher than korean teams isn't going to make them win against said korean teams....
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
May 05 2014 20:57 GMT
#59
If every "international experience" is a humiliating defeat it kind of defeats the entire purpose. No NA team can REALLY have a chance at competing with Koreans just given the way LCS is run. Its much easier to just go

C9 has a 90% winrate in NALCS WHATATEAMOMGHOPEOFTHEWEST


much like cheep has done
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-05 21:22:25
May 05 2014 21:22 GMT
#60
From Riot's perspective, indefinite false hope is better than hopelessness. Even if C9 eventually became better through international experience and NA got better in the long run, in the short and medium term, exposing the hopelessness of NA in international competition has the potential to hurt viewership.
Moderator
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Road to EWC
14:55
DreamHack Dallas Final Playoffs
ewc_black3037
ComeBackTV 1149
RotterdaM378
Rex203
SteadfastSC182
CranKy Ducklings140
CosmosSc2 107
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 333
Hui .315
Rex 203
SteadfastSC 157
CosmosSc2 107
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 70287
EffOrt 1621
Hyuk 1258
actioN 694
Nal_rA 350
ggaemo 275
firebathero 261
Mind 157
Barracks 107
Hyun 100
[ Show more ]
Dewaltoss 83
PianO 71
sSak 60
Shinee 48
Movie 40
Aegong 38
zelot 33
Sacsri 30
soO 30
yabsab 24
HiyA 20
Terrorterran 19
Dota 2
Gorgc10160
qojqva2295
Dendi2048
XcaliburYe303
LuMiX1
Counter-Strike
byalli201
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox1018
Mew2King114
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor657
Liquid`Hasu147
Other Games
B2W.Neo4128
Mlord666
Fuzer 284
KnowMe178
ToD163
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH319
• HeavenSC 25
• -Miszu- 13
• Adnapsc2 5
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• blackmanpl 25
• FirePhoenix2
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos2004
Upcoming Events
BSL: ProLeague
2h 31m
Cross vs TT1
spx vs Hawk
JDConan vs TBD
Wardi Open
19h 31m
SOOP
1d 16h
NightMare vs Wayne
Replay Cast
1d 18h
Replay Cast
2 days
GSL Code S
2 days
Cure vs Zoun
Solar vs Creator
The PondCast
2 days
Online Event
2 days
Clem vs ShoWTimE
herO vs MaxPax
HupCup
2 days
GSL Code S
3 days
GuMiho vs Bunny
ByuN vs SHIN
[ Show More ]
Online Event
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL 2v2 Season 3
2025 GSL S1
Calamity Stars S2

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
YSL S1
BSL Season 20
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
NPSL S3
Rose Open S1
DreamHack Dallas 2025
Heroes 10 EU
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
ECL Season 49: Europe
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025
PGL Bucharest 2025
BLAST Open Spring 2025
ESL Pro League S21

Upcoming

CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
Copa Latinoamericana 4
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLAN 2025
K-Championship
SEL Season 2 Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
HSC XXVII
Championship of Russia 2025
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2025
2025 GSL S2
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.