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Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
May 05 2014 18:15 GMT
#41
And also, I don't know why you discredit SKT. Sure Bengi's champion pool is an issue, but let's be honest here. Their mid laner is still probably the best player in the world, and their AD carry is still playing at a very high level. Sure, their top has been slumping recently and they didn't do all that well in OGN, but you have to consider the fact that the rest of Korea has caught up to them. Take a look at their competition in OGN. In the quarterfinals, you had SKT T1 K, Samsung Blue, Samsung Ozone, CJ Frost, CJ Blaze, KT Arrows, KT Bullets, and Najin Shield. Of those eight teams, at least half of them if you put in place of SKT would undoubtedly take first place.

Just because OMG plays in the land of the shitters who all buy stacking items because they lose their wills to live doesn't mean they'll beat SKT. OMG's lost games to WE and iG in the last couple of months in fairly convincing fashion as well. And we all saw how those teams fared at IEM. They got shit on by NA and EU. So to discredit SKT for poor performance as of late is somewhat questionable simply because we all saw what KT Bullets were able to do at IEM.
God Bless
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
May 05 2014 18:16 GMT
#42
As a C9 / Link fan, I agree on the value of C9 as a team. Unfortunately, Cheep wrote this article so something is going to get fucked up. Hopefully they finish top 2 somehow instead of bottom 2 =/
Jaedong :3
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-05 18:17:42
May 05 2014 18:17 GMT
#43
On May 06 2014 03:10 wei2coolman wrote:
http://www.gosugamers.net/rankings

just found this little nugget of gold.

skt 1k > c9 > omg > tpa > fnatic. huehuehue.

Cloud 9 with Link will not beat OMG, even if they had to play Cool. Cloud 9 with Link won't even beat Fnatic because Fnatic OWNS Cloud 9 when it matters.
God Bless
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
May 05 2014 18:19 GMT
#44
On May 06 2014 03:17 Roffles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2014 03:10 wei2coolman wrote:
http://www.gosugamers.net/rankings

just found this little nugget of gold.

skt 1k > c9 > omg > tpa > fnatic. huehuehue.

Cloud 9 with Link will not beat OMG, even if they had to play Cool. Cloud 9 with Link won't even beat Fnatic because Fnatic OWNS Cloud 9 when it matters.

http://na.lolesports.com/articles/power-rankings-week-15

Jack "TeamLiquid staff writer. Has covered OGN, NA and EU LCS for TL and lolesports.com. Regularly watches most of the five major leagues" Ho would beg to differ and agree that C9 > TPA > Fnatic
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Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-05 18:20:51
May 05 2014 18:19 GMT
#45
cloud9 with link is about 50/50 with tpa

On May 06 2014 03:19 xes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2014 03:17 Roffles wrote:
On May 06 2014 03:10 wei2coolman wrote:
http://www.gosugamers.net/rankings

just found this little nugget of gold.

skt 1k > c9 > omg > tpa > fnatic. huehuehue.

Cloud 9 with Link will not beat OMG, even if they had to play Cool. Cloud 9 with Link won't even beat Fnatic because Fnatic OWNS Cloud 9 when it matters.

http://na.lolesports.com/articles/power-rankings-week-15

Jack "TeamLiquid staff writer. Has covered OGN, NA and EU LCS for TL and lolesports.com. Regularly watches most of the five major leagues" Ho would beg to differ and agree that C9 > TPA > Fnatic


The Neoillusions-approved and Riot-approved PR also had C9 and Fnatic over KTB during IEM though
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
May 05 2014 18:26 GMT
#46
On May 06 2014 03:19 Kupon3ss wrote:
cloud9 with link is about 50/50 with tpa

Show nested quote +
On May 06 2014 03:19 xes wrote:
On May 06 2014 03:17 Roffles wrote:
On May 06 2014 03:10 wei2coolman wrote:
http://www.gosugamers.net/rankings

just found this little nugget of gold.

skt 1k > c9 > omg > tpa > fnatic. huehuehue.

Cloud 9 with Link will not beat OMG, even if they had to play Cool. Cloud 9 with Link won't even beat Fnatic because Fnatic OWNS Cloud 9 when it matters.

http://na.lolesports.com/articles/power-rankings-week-15

Jack "TeamLiquid staff writer. Has covered OGN, NA and EU LCS for TL and lolesports.com. Regularly watches most of the five major leagues" Ho would beg to differ and agree that C9 > TPA > Fnatic


The Neoillusions-approved and Riot-approved PR also had C9 and Fnatic over KTB during IEM though

I agree with this sentiment. 50-50 C9 vs TPA. Having subs, especially ones you haven't played with for a long time isn't a recipe for success.
God Bless
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-05 18:29:16
May 05 2014 18:28 GMT
#47
Also, let's get this fucking cleared up. Jack "Regularly watches most of the 5 major leagues" NeoIllusions Ho probably watches a grand total of 0 leagues. Probably just reads like Leaguepedia and asks Yango which teams in China aren't shit.

User was temp banned for this post.
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Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
May 05 2014 18:29 GMT
#48
Csheep ur cute
WriterXiao8~~
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
May 05 2014 18:30 GMT
#49
On May 06 2014 00:38 Thinasy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2014 00:01 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On May 05 2014 23:56 AlterKot wrote:
On May 05 2014 23:40 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Prime Optimus’ miraculous 2-0 victory over SKT S gave SKT K a tie breaker opportunity against their sister team, and SKT K managed to squeeze through to the Ro8. There, Dade, leading Samsung Blue, avenged himself against Faker, and a 1-3 defeat signaled SKT K’s exit from Champions Spring 2014.

No, they lost to Ozone, not Blue. Quarters were Ozone-T1K, Frost-Blue, Blaze-Bullets and Shield-Arrows :p

Great read though, hopefully it'll get to page 4 of r/lol


Woops meant Pawn/Ozone thanks for the catch.


Also, Fnatic lost in the ro4 vs Royal Club not ro8 (Season 3 worlds)



Thanks.
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Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-05 18:42:52
May 05 2014 18:42 GMT
#50
Anyways, my TLDR is that Cheep just hates Euros and is a homer China fanboy.
God Bless
Hagen0
Profile Joined June 2013
Germany765 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-05 18:44:10
May 05 2014 18:43 GMT
#51
On May 06 2014 03:10 wei2coolman wrote:
http://www.gosugamers.net/rankings

just found this little nugget of gold.

skt 1k > c9 > omg > tpa > fnatic. huehuehue.

actually that might be possible
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
May 05 2014 18:47 GMT
#52
On May 06 2014 03:43 Hagen0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2014 03:10 wei2coolman wrote:
http://www.gosugamers.net/rankings

just found this little nugget of gold.

skt 1k > c9 > omg > tpa > fnatic. huehuehue.

actually that might be possible

Absolutely not. On a good day with Hai playing for Cloud 9, they've never won a meaningful series against Fnatic ever. They've only played a few teams in international play, but they've always gotten dumped on by Fnatic when it mattered most. The teams are still the same, the players are still the same. You wanna say Fnatic has weaker laners? Fnatic outlaned Cloud 9 at IEM just a couple of months ago.
God Bless
Kickboxer
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Slovenia1308 Posts
May 05 2014 18:49 GMT
#53
Y'all insane. If Fnatic finishes last I'll eat my shorts.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-05 18:54:32
May 05 2014 18:53 GMT
#54
On May 06 2014 03:47 Roffles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2014 03:43 Hagen0 wrote:
On May 06 2014 03:10 wei2coolman wrote:
http://www.gosugamers.net/rankings

just found this little nugget of gold.

skt 1k > c9 > omg > tpa > fnatic. huehuehue.

actually that might be possible

Absolutely not. On a good day with Hai playing for Cloud 9, they've never won a meaningful series against Fnatic ever. They've only played a few teams in international play, but they've always gotten dumped on by Fnatic when it mattered most. The teams are still the same, the players are still the same. You wanna say Fnatic has weaker laners? Fnatic outlaned Cloud 9 at IEM just a couple of months ago.

Wasn't the losses against fnatics always 2-1 though? And they did win BotA 2-0.
I think the overall match up for Fnatic vs C9 is 2 Bo3 wins for Fnatic and 1 BO3 loss (which is actually 4 games a piece for each team). I don't think fnatic "dumped" on c9 as hard as you think, history suggests the match up is actually pretty close.

liftlift > tsm
RouaF
Profile Joined October 2010
France4120 Posts
May 05 2014 19:40 GMT
#55
On May 06 2014 03:19 Kupon3ss wrote:
cloud9 with link is about 50/50 with tpa

Show nested quote +
On May 06 2014 03:19 xes wrote:
On May 06 2014 03:17 Roffles wrote:
On May 06 2014 03:10 wei2coolman wrote:
http://www.gosugamers.net/rankings

just found this little nugget of gold.

skt 1k > c9 > omg > tpa > fnatic. huehuehue.

Cloud 9 with Link will not beat OMG, even if they had to play Cool. Cloud 9 with Link won't even beat Fnatic because Fnatic OWNS Cloud 9 when it matters.

http://na.lolesports.com/articles/power-rankings-week-15

Jack "TeamLiquid staff writer. Has covered OGN, NA and EU LCS for TL and lolesports.com. Regularly watches most of the five major leagues" Ho would beg to differ and agree that C9 > TPA > Fnatic


The Neoillusions-approved and Riot-approved PR also had C9 and Fnatic over KTB during IEM though

Rofl this power ranking I can't stop laughing. C9 ahead of KT B when both these teams were at IEM and KT B finished 1st easily and C9 3rd/4th ? Why are they THAT biased ? It's just sad.
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
May 05 2014 19:51 GMT
#56
On May 06 2014 03:42 Roffles wrote:
Anyways, my TLDR is that Cheep just hates Euros and is a homer China fanboy.


LOOOOL

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Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
May 05 2014 19:52 GMT
#57
On May 06 2014 04:40 RouaF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2014 03:19 Kupon3ss wrote:
cloud9 with link is about 50/50 with tpa

On May 06 2014 03:19 xes wrote:
On May 06 2014 03:17 Roffles wrote:
On May 06 2014 03:10 wei2coolman wrote:
http://www.gosugamers.net/rankings

just found this little nugget of gold.

skt 1k > c9 > omg > tpa > fnatic. huehuehue.

Cloud 9 with Link will not beat OMG, even if they had to play Cool. Cloud 9 with Link won't even beat Fnatic because Fnatic OWNS Cloud 9 when it matters.

http://na.lolesports.com/articles/power-rankings-week-15

Jack "TeamLiquid staff writer. Has covered OGN, NA and EU LCS for TL and lolesports.com. Regularly watches most of the five major leagues" Ho would beg to differ and agree that C9 > TPA > Fnatic


The Neoillusions-approved and Riot-approved PR also had C9 and Fnatic over KTB during IEM though

Rofl this power ranking I can't stop laughing. C9 ahead of KT B when both these teams were at IEM and KT B finished 1st easily and C9 3rd/4th ? Why are they THAT biased ? It's just sad.


It's hugely in their interest to promote a story of "separate but equal" between regions. After all, people saw what the harsh realities of Korean vs Western Esports did to SC2.
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
RouaF
Profile Joined October 2010
France4120 Posts
May 05 2014 20:10 GMT
#58
On May 06 2014 04:52 Kupon3ss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2014 04:40 RouaF wrote:
On May 06 2014 03:19 Kupon3ss wrote:
cloud9 with link is about 50/50 with tpa

On May 06 2014 03:19 xes wrote:
On May 06 2014 03:17 Roffles wrote:
On May 06 2014 03:10 wei2coolman wrote:
http://www.gosugamers.net/rankings

just found this little nugget of gold.

skt 1k > c9 > omg > tpa > fnatic. huehuehue.

Cloud 9 with Link will not beat OMG, even if they had to play Cool. Cloud 9 with Link won't even beat Fnatic because Fnatic OWNS Cloud 9 when it matters.

http://na.lolesports.com/articles/power-rankings-week-15

Jack "TeamLiquid staff writer. Has covered OGN, NA and EU LCS for TL and lolesports.com. Regularly watches most of the five major leagues" Ho would beg to differ and agree that C9 > TPA > Fnatic


The Neoillusions-approved and Riot-approved PR also had C9 and Fnatic over KTB during IEM though

Rofl this power ranking I can't stop laughing. C9 ahead of KT B when both these teams were at IEM and KT B finished 1st easily and C9 3rd/4th ? Why are they THAT biased ? It's just sad.


It's hugely in their interest to promote a story of "separate but equal" between regions. After all, people saw what the harsh realities of Korean vs Western Esports did to SC2.

Then why don't they give C9 more international experience so they can REALLY have a chance at competing with europeans and koreans ? At the moment C9 is the genius of the NA scene but it doesn't matter since they are stuck playing versus peasants they can't improve. Writing power ranking and placing them higher than korean teams isn't going to make them win against said korean teams....
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
May 05 2014 20:57 GMT
#59
If every "international experience" is a humiliating defeat it kind of defeats the entire purpose. No NA team can REALLY have a chance at competing with Koreans just given the way LCS is run. Its much easier to just go

C9 has a 90% winrate in NALCS WHATATEAMOMGHOPEOFTHEWEST


much like cheep has done
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-05 21:22:25
May 05 2014 21:22 GMT
#60
From Riot's perspective, indefinite false hope is better than hopelessness. Even if C9 eventually became better through international experience and NA got better in the long run, in the short and medium term, exposing the hopelessness of NA in international competition has the potential to hurt viewership.
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