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UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
October 02 2013 07:35 GMT
#441
On October 02 2013ganged b Lord Tolkien wrote:
Alrigtool. uggestion for a new top laner to learn. One that has a favorable matchup with Jax and that I can reliably first pick without worrying about being shut down. Irelia's my go to choice as a FP, but one game of Jax snowballing off of massive jungle pressure has me abit miffed (well, that and friendly jungler coming to push waves instead of ganking, leading to freezes). Irelia just can't handle that much pressure and hope to win, not with the absence of counterganks. I can beat Jax without ganks, but given the attractiveness of ganking for Jax (or other CC top laners) and the early lack of escapes for me, it's been happening quite frequently. Iunno, maybe I just need to start with a ward.

To be fair, the Zac was pulling off some EXTREMELY inventive ganks that bypassed my warding (backing just in the range of sight at the edge of a bush, and cancelling it to go in the bush at the very last second after two previous ganks, ganking from our jungle [as blue], multiple lane bush ganks with impeccable timing, etc), so I can't even be mad at him for his absurd amount of camping. But I do need to find a more reliable way of dealing with Jax then banking on outplaying him with Irelia (while dodging jungle ganks).

Also, top is probably a better lane for Ryze now.

Soraka. You will never get ganked because your turnarounds are too powerful
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
October 02 2013 07:37 GMT
#442
On October 02 2013 16:35 UniversalSnip wrote:
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On October 02 2013ganged b Lord Tolkien wrote:
Alrigtool. uggestion for a new top laner to learn. One that has a favorable matchup with Jax and that I can reliably first pick without worrying about being shut down. Irelia's my go to choice as a FP, but one game of Jax snowballing off of massive jungle pressure has me abit miffed (well, that and friendly jungler coming to push waves instead of ganking, leading to freezes). Irelia just can't handle that much pressure and hope to win, not with the absence of counterganks. I can beat Jax without ganks, but given the attractiveness of ganking for Jax (or other CC top laners) and the early lack of escapes for me, it's been happening quite frequently. Iunno, maybe I just need to start with a ward.

To be fair, the Zac was pulling off some EXTREMELY inventive ganks that bypassed my warding (backing just in the range of sight at the edge of a bush, and cancelling it to go in the bush at the very last second after two previous ganks, ganking from our jungle [as blue], multiple lane bush ganks with impeccable timing, etc), so I can't even be mad at him for his absurd amount of camping. But I do need to find a more reliable way of dealing with Jax then banking on outplaying him with Irelia (while dodging jungle ganks).

Also, top is probably a better lane for Ryze now.

Soraka. You will never get ganked because your turnarounds are too powerful

Genius. Top lane Soraka undiscovered diamond mine of LP.

ty, brb exploiting
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
October 02 2013 07:57 GMT
#443
On October 02 2013 16:23 Lord Tolkien wrote:
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On October 02 2013 16:09 Gahlo wrote:
On October 02 2013 16:07 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Alright, need a suggestion for a new top laner to learn. One that has a favorable matchup with Jax and that I can reliably first pick without worrying about being shut down. Irelia's my go to choice as a FP, but one game of Jax snowballing off of massive jungle pressure has me abit miffed (well, that and friendly jungler coming to push waves instead of ganking, leading to freezes). Irelia just can't handle that much pressure and hope to win, not with the absence of counterganks. I can beat Jax without ganks, but given the attractiveness of ganking for Jax (or other CC top laners) and the early lack of escapes for me, it's been happening quite frequently. Iunno, maybe I just need to start with a ward.

To be fair, the Zac was pulling off some EXTREMELY inventive ganks that bypassed my warding (backing just in the range of sight at the edge of a bush, and cancelling it to go in the bush at the very last second after two previous ganks, ganking from our jungle [as blue], multiple lane bush ganks with impeccable timing, etc), so I can't even be mad at him for his absurd amount of camping. But I do need to find a more reliable way of dealing with Jax then banking on outplaying him with Irelia (while dodging jungle ganks).

Interior Crocodile Alligator.

Unfortunately, I do not drive a Chevrolet Movie Theatre.

I could pick him up, but I prefer my top lane champions to have a late game. Well, that and I haven't even touched him yet.

It's possible, though putting in the time to learn it would go for later, after I break into De Beers' vaults (sometime this week I'd imagine). Any other suggestions?

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On October 02 2013 16:15 cLutZ wrote:
On October 02 2013 16:07 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Alright, need a suggestion for a new top laner to learn. One that has a favorable matchup with Jax and that I can reliably first pick without worrying about being shut down. Irelia's my go to choice as a FP, but one game of Jax snowballing off of massive jungle pressure has me abit miffed (well, that and friendly jungler coming to push waves instead of ganking, leading to freezes). Irelia just can't handle that much pressure and hope to win, not with the absence of counterganks. I can beat Jax without ganks, but given the attractiveness of ganking for Jax (or other CC top laners) and the early lack of escapes for me, it's been happening quite frequently. Iunno, maybe I just need to start with a ward.

To be fair, the Zac was pulling off some EXTREMELY inventive ganks that bypassed my warding (backing just in the range of sight at the edge of a bush, and cancelling it to go in the bush at the very last second after two previous ganks, ganking from our jungle [as blue], multiple lane bush ganks with impeccable timing, etc), so I can't even be mad at him for his absurd amount of camping. But I do need to find a more reliable way of dealing with Jax then banking on outplaying him with Irelia (while dodging jungle ganks).

Also, top is probably a better lane for Ryze now.


Irelia-Jax is a skill matchup (aka jungler matchup).

Renekton is good vs. Jax though.

Well aware of that (though it does favor Jax, ~6-4 or so). Absent jungle pressure, I can beat Jax solely based on my matchup knowledge and familiarity with Irelia.

The issue is that I've had several games of Irelia where the enemy jungler focuses on top, while my jungler doesn't even come up except to push out (into enemy laner freezes). I'm normally fine with this because I can come back from it once I get my items and carry (most recently against a Renekton and Kennen), but when Jax snowballs against Irelia, it's stupidly lopsided, and I can't outplay that or hit any major breakpoints out of the early game that allows me to regain control of the lane if he gets early jungle babysit.

Maybe I just need to stop playing top on the blue side. I've had an alarming amount of junglers when I'm on blue side starting blue.


Irelia vs. Jax is probably one of the most snowbally lanes (especially if EXP is denied). Obviously you know that. Renekton, Singed, and Malph are all decent against Jax in my experience. Lots of people don't know how to play the last 2 vs Jax though...
Freeeeeeedom
EquilasH
Profile Joined April 2009
Denmark2142 Posts
October 02 2013 08:33 GMT
#444
I'd also recommend either Singed or Renekton. Both are fine first picks if you can play them well and they both have favourable matchups vs Jax.
wat
wussleeQ
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States3130 Posts
October 02 2013 08:58 GMT
#445
Tried to see if morde jungle was any good today.

Its not.
BW -> League -> CSGO
nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-02 09:12:08
October 02 2013 09:09 GMT
#446
I've stopped playing solo tops that don't have a ready escape mechanism, in part due to how aggressive I usually am, opening myself up to ganks. I also don't buy wards, so there's that.

Aatrox, Renekton and Ezreal are all pretty cool. Barrier/Ignite Renekton is a personal favourite. Nidalee doesn't have an escape mechanism, but W is really anti-gank a lot of the time.
cool beans
The_Unseen
Profile Joined March 2011
France1923 Posts
October 02 2013 09:22 GMT
#447
On October 02 2013 07:34 nafta wrote:
Like every renek matchup.Get dorans if you HAVE TO early>sunfire>rape him.


Sooo... That went terribly. I was unable to trade properly with Olaf, let alone harass him - if I did, he would basically hit back with E and outsustain me with that crazy lifesteal he has. I rushed Sunfire, still did not help. Any other ideas for that matchup?
I got five reasons for you to shut up
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
October 02 2013 09:52 GMT
#448
Don't fight him when vicious strikes is up and make him play whackamole on the wave.
justiceknight
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Singapore5741 Posts
October 02 2013 10:06 GMT
#449
quick question how do u nasus vs opp riven? start what item?
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-02 10:44:45
October 02 2013 10:44 GMT
#450
On October 02 2013 19:06 justiceknight wrote:
quick question how do u nasus vs opp riven? start what item?

Flask. As a Riven main, Nasus was one of the easiest matchups I had. With the advent of flask, taking advantage of his weak early game has gotten far more difficult.

Either that or I got super bad at the matchup.

I blame it on Req.
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
October 02 2013 10:45 GMT
#451
--- Nuked ---
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-02 10:48:16
October 02 2013 10:48 GMT
#452
On October 02 2013 19:45 krndandaman wrote:
after triforce nerfs, what is the state of corki right now?

i considered him op pre tf nerf but now i'm thinking he's just "strong". yes/no?

Here's how I think Corki goes currently:
Did they nerf Tri Sheen damage?
If "No" then OP.
Lysteria
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
France2280 Posts
October 02 2013 10:51 GMT
#453
On October 02 2013 16:37 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Genius. Top lane Soraka undiscovered diamond mine of LP.

ty, brb exploiting


Is this season 1 all over again?
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
October 02 2013 10:52 GMT
#454
On October 02 2013 19:51 Lysteria wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 16:37 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Genius. Top lane Soraka undiscovered diamond mine of LP.

ty, brb exploiting


Is this season 1 all over again?


S2 you mean. Dig's Lulu/Raka comps.
- TEAM LIQUID - doctorbeat on LoL
JazzVortical
Profile Joined July 2013
Australia1825 Posts
October 02 2013 10:52 GMT
#455
On October 02 2013 19:48 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 19:45 krndandaman wrote:
after triforce nerfs, what is the state of corki right now?

i considered him op pre tf nerf but now i'm thinking he's just "strong". yes/no?

Here's how I think Corki goes currently:
Did they nerf Tri Sheen damage?
If "No" then OP.


Yeah, his burst is still outrageous. I'd classify it as Taric level outrageous.
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
October 02 2013 10:54 GMT
#456
On October 02 2013 19:52 JazzVortical wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 19:48 Gahlo wrote:
On October 02 2013 19:45 krndandaman wrote:
after triforce nerfs, what is the state of corki right now?

i considered him op pre tf nerf but now i'm thinking he's just "strong". yes/no?

Here's how I think Corki goes currently:
Did they nerf Tri Sheen damage?
If "No" then OP.


Yeah, his burst is still outrageous. I'd classify it as Taric level outrageous.


People are starting to figure him out a bit though. It's not 100% free win anymore
- TEAM LIQUID - doctorbeat on LoL
Lysteria
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
France2280 Posts
October 02 2013 10:54 GMT
#457
On October 02 2013 19:52 Doctorbeat wrote:
S2 you mean. Dig's Lulu/Raka comps.


Nah, don't remind me of s2 lulu/raka please, they nerfed my raka so hard after that.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
October 02 2013 11:36 GMT
#458
On October 02 2013 19:54 Doctorbeat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 19:52 JazzVortical wrote:
On October 02 2013 19:48 Gahlo wrote:
On October 02 2013 19:45 krndandaman wrote:
after triforce nerfs, what is the state of corki right now?

i considered him op pre tf nerf but now i'm thinking he's just "strong". yes/no?

Here's how I think Corki goes currently:
Did they nerf Tri Sheen damage?
If "No" then OP.


Yeah, his burst is still outrageous. I'd classify it as Taric level outrageous.


People are starting to figure him out a bit though. It's not 100% free win anymore

Until Graves gets some Morello based attention, he's gonna be livin pretty.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-02 12:10:06
October 02 2013 11:41 GMT
#459
Elise is a prick, nerfed or not Jayce is probably still a prick too.
I know I hate facing Riven, Darius, Renekton, Singed whenever I play Jax.

Olaf's new ult pattern feels weird, now that you don't ult while you're being nuked, rather than do it on reflex to survive. "Zed all-ining me! Better not ult for 3 seconds!
... wait. It's gone? His W is on cd too? Great! Now ult and mash his face in while he's stuck in melee range!"
Gotta get used to it.

On October 02 2013 12:19 Apoptotic wrote:
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On October 02 2013 11:32 Lord Tolkien wrote:
On October 02 2013 11:21 Seuss wrote:
On October 02 2013 09:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:
On October 02 2013 07:26 Alaric wrote:
On October 02 2013 07:04 Seuss wrote:
On October 02 2013 06:58 Diamond wrote:
Was just testing a game (to see some map stuff) and rolled random Nami jungle. It was actually (aside for mana costs) pretty decent. Always wanted to jungle her (wave ganks!), might have to mess around in some normals with her for fun.

Too bad ebb and flow won't bounce off monsters.....


I jungled her during my "Monte junglers everything" penance day. Her clear speed goes straight into the crapper faster than you can say, "Fish fingers in custard."

She's really a D tier jungler, but it's fun to build tanky and watch people blow everything on you pointlessly.

Still worked well enough that you won this gamehandily, didn't you? The terror ganks.

Also Bronze sub wars on streams are hilarious.

Nami jungle is a worse version of Morgana Jungle. Though then again, Morg jungle is probably the best AP jungler there is.




Bronze wars are hilarious. The Chaox vs Qtpie sub war made my day.


Morgana isn't the best AP jungler.

Karthus is.

Both press R.

Same diff.


Nothing beats Karthus clear though. qqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq then gank every lane simultaneously.

Watched Azingy with Blue Buff, 500 HP, 200 mana and spectral Wraith spam Q on drake, soloing it at level 7. He spellvamp'd like 100 HP per Q (maybe he had a pot running at the same time), and he did it so fast considered he was solo... x_o

On October 02 2013 13:22 wei2coolman wrote:
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On October 02 2013 13:21 JazzVortical wrote:
After dying to a Garen ult in game, I can confirm that skill is hilariously overpowered. Not mechanically, but visually. Riot did very well on this one.

I think all single target ults need a visual buff. Veigars ult especially. It doesn't shout "LOL DAT DMG" , visually speaking.

Dat laugh tho. If you don't kill the target with your combo you're doing it wrong.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
ItsFunToLose
Profile Joined December 2010
United States776 Posts
October 02 2013 12:29 GMT
#460
anyone know if there are any working custom skin installers that work for 3.12? SIU(Skin Installer Ultimate) doesn't seem to work for any of the models i've downloaded from leaguecraft.
"skillshots are inherently out of your control whether they hit or not" -PrinceXizor
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